Homicide stats in Canadian Cities

[MolsonExport]

a local junkie beat a guy into a comma.

That is nothing. I once saw a local junkie beat a guy into a Question Mark.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by RHINO

A few days ago, a local junkie beat a guy into a comma. That man is now likely going to die. Unfortunately the perpetrator was released by the judge, and now its known that they are looking for him to charge him with ( likely 2nd degree murder ) .

Amazingly enough....... wait for it, he hasn't turned himself in. He was literally in custody and they let him go from the court room after the CROWN asked he be detained but the judge said no and let him go with out bail.

Another Kamloops judge let a 20 time repeat offender walk after they attacked 3 people in a Tim Hortons here a month ago. She told the attacker, " you need to clean your life up, I don't want to see you again". Same judge let a man go after putting his wife in the hospital ( after holding her against her will in a motel for 2 days ). He was released, went to the hospital and beat the crap out of her and a nurse. He was then given .... 2 weeks.

Why do any of us follow ANY laws? there is zero real repercussions it would seem to just doing what we want to.

Rhino, please change your signature to reflect something less overtly hostile to a political figure. This is something that we as moderators are encouraging from all members of the SSP community.

[MonkeyRonin]

Originally Posted by biguc

Try this one: RHINO is a bald-faced liar fomenting violence against judges.

This particular story might be exaggerated, or even entirely fabricated (I have no idea), but that it's even believable in the first place does speak to the relatively recent phenomenon of repeat violent offenders being granted bail or lenient sentences, only to be released and re-offend (ad nauseam).

Case in point: in BC, it's been estimated that just 204 prolific offenders were responsible for 11,648 “negative police contacts” in 2022, while a number of high-profile murders in recent years have been committed by repeat offenders or those released on bail. Which has subsequently led to a growing distrust of the criminal justice system amongst the public: polls have shown that most Canadians no longer trust the justice system to keep them safe - and subsequent calls from mayors & premiers of all political stripes to toughen bail & sentencing rules for violent offenders.

Views like those of RHINO would be much more relegated to the fringe if the system weren't failing.

[ssiguy]

Originally Posted by The S'toon Goon

Saskatoon is at 11 now. Brutal year so far.

Kind of weird how Saskatoon is having such a bad year while Regina is having such a good one with only 2 murders so YTD.

Both London & Windsor have yet to have their first.

[niwell]

To add to what Monkeyronin said- this is a very worrying situation. I’m personally of the opinion we want to keep as many people out of jails pre-trial as possible. They are horrible places and apt to turn petty criminals into something much worse. I’ve seen it in person in my own family. There has to be a better way of identifying the seemingly small percentage of repeat offender's committing a significant percentage of violent crime.

The alternative of “lock everyone up” will probably have spin-off effects that nobody wants. But the status quo may lead in that direction as public perception shifts.

[JuelzJones]

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[Luisito]

Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin

This particular story might be exaggerated, or even entirely fabricated (I have no idea), but that it's even believable in the first place does speak to the relatively recent phenomenon of repeat violent offenders being granted bail or lenient sentences, only to be released and re-offend (ad nauseam).

That is a real problem here in Winnipeg.

Originally Posted by niwell

To add to what Monkeyronin said- this is a very worrying situation. I’m personally of the opinion we want to keep as many people out of jails pre-trial as possible. They are horrible places and apt to turn petty criminals into something much worse. I’ve seen it in person in my own family. There has to be a better way of identifying the seemingly small percentage of repeat offender's committing a significant percentage of violent crime.

The alternative of “lock everyone up” will probably have spin-off effects that nobody wants. But the status quo may lead in that direction as public perception shifts.

The alternative is not working.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by niwell

To add to what Monkeyronin said- this is a very worrying situation. I’m personally of the opinion we want to keep as many people out of jails pre-trial as possible. They are horrible places and apt to turn petty criminals into something much worse. I’ve seen it in person in my own family. There has to be a better way of identifying the seemingly small percentage of repeat offender's committing a significant percentage of violent crime.

The alternative of “lock everyone up” will probably have spin-off effects that nobody wants. But the status quo may lead in that direction as public perception shifts.

That's pretty much exactly how I feel about the issue. And I'm not sure what the answer is. PP's answer will probably be to adopt a "lock them all up" policy using the notwithstanding clause, and that's not good.

We also really need to improve conditions in provincial jails. I have an extended relative by marriage who got in trouble with the law and actually pled guilty to a higher charge than he committed (even though he was innocent of it) just to get a long enough sentence to go to federal prison instead of provincial jail because the conditions are so horrible in the provincial system.

Perhaps if the conditions in provincial jails weren't so awful, we wouldn't have judges so unwilling to deny bail.

[Luisito]

From yesterday.

Significant rise in violent crime last year, police Statistical Report shows

There was a significant increase in violent crime and violent youth crime last year according to figures in the Winnipeg Police 2023 Statistical Report which was released Tuesday.


Violent crime rose 12.1% in 2023 as compared to the previous year. It was also a whopping 31.4% increase over the five-year average. However, overall crime went down 2.2% last year, although it was still 8.6% above the five-year average.

https://winnipegsun.com/news/crime/s...l-report-shows

[JuelzJones]

43 for Toronto

[JuelzJones]

45 now…

[kja384]

Current 2024 Annualized Murder Rates per 100000 Canadian Municipalities:
#saskatoon 7.62
#winnipeg 4.6
#vaughn 3.77
#thunderbay 3.73
#edmonton 3.41
#toronto 3.12
#oshawa 2.31
#ottawa 2.2
#montreal 1.96
#laval 1.92
#brampton 1.85
#halifax 1.84
#surrey 1.78
#hamont 1.4
#calgary 1.4

https://x.com/homicide_canada/status...38380413128855
https://homicidecanada.com/

[Luisito]

Anything above 3 per 100000 is considered third world.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Luisito

Anything above 3 per 100000 is considered third world.

By whom?

[kool maudit]

Canada doesn't have a very high crime rate in some senses, I think Stockholm is worse than Toronto per capita on a lot of things, but it is very disorderly in a way that is uncommon in a lot of Europe.

[theman23]

Speaking of 3rd world, it’s likely that all of these per capita statistics are over stated because they don’t take into account our third world population growth rates in the denominator. The rates on that website uses the 2021 census populations, which was 2.7 million for Toronto. Under normal circumstances it wouldn’t change much to reassess the denominator so soon, but the growth we’ve seen in the last few years has been completely unprecedented. By the city of Torontos own estimate its population had hit 3 million by the mid 2022 and is likely quite a bit higher now. Thats a pretty big change in the denominator and would drop the rate by 0.3 at least (assuming no growth since mid 2022, which is impossible).

[Luisito]

Originally Posted by theman23

Speaking of 3rd world, it’s likely that all of these per capita statistics are over stated because they don’t take into account our third world population growth rates in the denominator.

Yes the rise in crime is probably due to an increase in population from the third world. Not so much on the prairies but in Toronto yes.

[theman23]

That wasn’t exactly my point.

[Acajack]

"Third World" or not, Luis is absolutely right that a homicide rate over 3 is high-ish for a city in the developed affluent world. Where the US of course is a huge outlier and almost all cities are above 3 - often well above.

But in most of western Europe and reasonably wealthy parts of Asia, urban homicide rates are generally below 2 per 100,000. Often well below that.

Of course you may have places within these regions that are much higher, but they're considered to be places that "have problems". It's never considered "normal because we're a big city now".

[Luisito]

Originally Posted by theman23

That wasn’t exactly my point.

Lol know it wasn't but the two issues are related.