Wharncliffe Rd. Transformation - CN Tracks - Page 13

Djeffery · #**241** Posted **Jan 9, 2024, 2:06 AM**

Shocking. We could see this coming a mile away, considering Ridout Bridge won't be open until probably after the Stanley Cup is awarded.

haljackey · #**242** Posted **Jan 9, 2024, 5:06 PM**

Question is will this be built before the existing CN overpass rots away? I'm sure they're not pumping much $ (if anything) into upkeep since they thought it was going to be replaced last decade.

Don't look at the bridge much next time or else you'll see rust, cracks, swelled metal under the paint, crumbling concrete at the base, etc. Whenever I'm stopped under it I don't feel comfortable... only place driving in the city where I am queasy like that.

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Originally Posted by Djeffery

Shocking. We could see this coming a mile away, considering Ridout Bridge won't be open until probably after the Stanley Cup is awarded.

Coudn't rest sharing a topical meme

...I thought you were referring to Stanley Street initially

tyeman200 · #**243** Posted **Jan 13, 2024, 11:32 PM**

Honestly, anyone who supported that old lady and let this project drag out should all feel ashamed of themselves. I also hope they are the people who get stuck on Wharncliffe everyday.

Makes me very angry. This project could've been done by 2018 at the latest, within budget. Now it's 10 years in until they finally start, and for sure prices will go up even more by then. All for a stupid ass house that literally has no value to it.

I'm sure the city will have the money to pay all the lawsuits when the bridge finally crumbles and crushes a bunch of people... and ironically it will be the same ppl who supported Nan.

jammer139 · #**244** Posted **Mar 14, 2024, 9:29 PM**

The replacement of the CN bridge is now off the table until 2028 it seems.

https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/...d-until-summer

Djeffery · #**245** Posted **Mar 15, 2024, 10:29 AM**

That seriously pisses me off. The bullshit this city did to get ahold of that house. Just look up the comments on this thread at the animosity some people felt towards Nan over this. And now they city is going to sit on it for potentially 10 years after taking that house? And we only find out as a "oh by the way..." at the end of a Free Press story about something else? Fucking bullshit.

haljackey · #**246** Posted **Mar 15, 2024, 3:28 PM**

2028 at the earliest.

With the way housing prices have gone up, at least the city got a deal.

...But the cost of the project itself will just go up. Will the existing structure even last till 2028 or will it rust away? I would expect no maintenance work will be put into it since it is being replaced (one year anyway)

Djeffery · #**247** Posted **Mar 15, 2024, 5:56 PM**

I don’t know how much of a deal the city got, since they paid more than market value to buy it. I don’t remember the figures now, there might be something set up thread on it, but I doubt that house would sell for anywhere near what the city paid for it today. Plus 4 years of lost property tax revenue on it. I just don’t get why if the city wasn’t gonna move on this project when they bought the house why did they kick her out? They could’ve let her stay in the house for no rent still pay the taxes and utilities and then be further ahead, and it would’ve been one more house that somebody could’ve lived in. I’m shocked the thing has managed to stay standing for four years empty though.

tyeman200 · #**248** Posted **Mar 16, 2024, 12:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by Djeffery

That seriously pisses me off. The bullshit this city did to get ahold of that house. Just look up the comments on this thread at the animosity some people felt towards Nan over this. And now they city is going to sit on it for potentially 10 years after taking that house? And we only find out as a "oh by the way..." at the end of a Free Press story about something else? Fucking bullshit.

Well the animosity is kinda deserved... if she just complied in 2015 when this all came to light, this would have never happened. She is solely responsible for holding up this entire project. I also blame all those Richmond Row Assholes who went against BRT and delayed that. Where was the strong mayor powers then, so Matt Brown could just approve the project and get it going way earlier? I will NEVER support any business on Richmond Row again. I hope all of them have to clean up homeless feces, puke and urine off their properties every single day.

All I know is I'm going to avoid Wharncliffe between that stretch until that bridge is fixed. I see something bad happening there way before 2028, and I don't want to be anywhere near it when it happens.

Snark · #**249** Posted **Mar 16, 2024, 5:53 PM**

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I just don’t get why if the city wasn’t gonna move on this project when they bought the house why did they kick her out?

Because the project was intended to begin much closer to that time. The delays (or at least the extent of delays) in the start of the project were not foreseen then. The land parcel is critical for staging project work and physical expansion of infrastructure. The project can't happen without it, and once they had an opportunity to get the land, they were going to move on it ASAP to avoid any complications in the future and threatening (the then much earlier) project start.

It's ironic that by happenstance unrelated issues ended up delaying the start of the project - but they weren't going to risk opening up a can of worms by allowing anyone to continue to live there until the project actually starts..

jammer139 · #**250** Posted **Mar 16, 2024, 6:35 PM**

The blame lands squarely on city council and administration. They dithered and debated and wasted so much time and money. They simply should have given her an above market value offer together with expropriation documents right from the beginning in the same envelope. If she chose to fight the expropriation legally that would have been quickly dealt with in court and resolved. Instead we had time wasted by council and administration talking about heritage and relocating the house. Cowardice and not wanting to look bad will cost the city two to 3 times as much as it should have and a wasted 10 years.

haljackey · #**251** Posted **Jun 17, 2024, 1:33 PM**

update on old lady's house- https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/londo...nded-1.7235300

This project was supposed to happen in 2017, but she resisted so it got delayed to 2021. Covid postponed that to 2025, and now with BRT going over budget the project has no funding anymore. Unknown when it might actually happen.

ericmacm · #**252** Posted **Jun 17, 2024, 2:38 PM**

This whole situation makes me pretty mad. This overpass project needs to happen ASAP, and should have happened back in 2017. Hopefully it can finally happen after Adelaide and the new Ridout Bridge are finished up.

MrSlippery519 · #**253** Posted **Jun 17, 2024, 3:51 PM**

Have to think they find a way to get this going once Adelaide and Ridout are done. I cannot imagine the current overpass will be fine without significant repair costs in the near future.

It's a shame it did not already happen add to that it will certainly be $100m+ in the end not the $51m + $39m extra they think.

haljackey · #**254** Posted **Jun 17, 2024, 3:58 PM**

This project got canned in the 2024 multi-year budget so without a big change to it, the absolute earliest this project can begin is 2028. I'd expect this to be a 2 year project so the earliest completion date would be 2030, but knowing how things go, probably 2031.

...And that's the earliest.

MrSlippery519 · #**255** Posted **Jun 17, 2024, 5:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by haljackey

This project got canned in the 2024 multi-year budget so without a big change to it, the absolute earliest this project can begin is 2028. I'd expect this to be a 2 year project so the earliest completion date would be 2030, but knowing how things go, probably 2031.

...And that's the earliest.

Ouch, so most like means they will need to spend even more money on repairs, plus new assessments, etc. It will end up triple the initial estimate if not more.

ericmacm · #**256** Posted **Jun 17, 2024, 10:52 PM**

What I am hoping and praying for is that London and the province can work out a deal to return the VMP to provincial ownership like the Gardiner/DVP in Toronto and HWY 174 in Ottawa. Such a deal would free up more money to get these essential projects going sooner.

Djeffery · #**257** Posted **Jun 17, 2024, 11:29 PM**

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What I am hoping and praying for is that London and the province can work out a deal to return the VMP to provincial ownership like the Gardiner/DVP in Toronto and HWY 174 in Ottawa. Such a deal would free up more money to get these essential projects going sooner.

I don't know, is VMP really costing the city much? It was rebuilt in 2016 and 2017 so I don't think there are any really large costs coming up (and there has been nothing said about grade separations either). What the province can have back is Highbury, especially if there is any chance of it being widened to St Thomas. The stretch from the river to the 401, the original Highway 126, is in the city's plans for reconstruction at large dollars, so I'm sure the city would be happy to let the province have that bill.

jammer139 · #**258** Posted **Jul 26, 2024, 11:47 AM**

CTV article on delays to replacing this underpass.

https://london.ctvnews.ca/solution-t...ease-1.6978326

GreatTallNorth2 · #**259** Posted **Jul 26, 2024, 12:02 PM**

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LFP article on delays to replacing this underpass.

https://london.ctvnews.ca/solution-t...ease-1.6978326

Watched this, when Josh Morgan is interviewed he really has got the "politician" speak down pat. Barely sounds human.

haljackey · #**260** Posted **Jul 26, 2024, 1:12 PM**

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LFP article on delays to replacing this underpass.

https://london.ctvnews.ca/solution-t...ease-1.6978326

Gosh this project is reminding me of The Song that Never Ends.

Everyone says its going to happen... but then it doesn't but they say it will happen.

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Edit- made a reddit post for this story, interesting comments there https://www.reddit.com/r/londonontar...eneck_delayed/