[Saint John] Port Development

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

https://glassbottle.ie/





Read about this the other day in Ireland. I’d say it’s analogous to the built environment of Saint John’s port lands. Let’s keep in mind that there’s almost 300 acres of port owned land in Saint John.

It’s utterly asinine to suggest the port couldn’t give up some areas on the fringe to make room for some housing and mixed used developments.

Have you driven down the lower cove loop and seen the mess of temporary sheds, boat trailers etc. It’s a pretty piss poor land use, imo, and just looks horrible off one of our main streets, beside our premier tourism arrival point, the cruise terminal. As Trudeau suggested build on top of things, they could even build housing right on top of the cruise terminals themselves.

There’s lots of room for the port to continue to grow rapidly, and build some housing on the fringes.

https://www.google.ca/maps/place/250...g%2F11g63gbw1p

https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Sai...g%2F11g60w88pw

There’s no way to better use some this land on the fringe of the port’s operations without unwisely or negatively impacting port growth? Please.

As mentioned before a lot of that land you refer to is severely contaminated and will require remediation that costs 10’s of millions, if not over $100m. Let’s pick the vast low hanging fruit first, like Smythe St area and Prince William, Water streets

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

As mentioned before a lot of that land you refer to is severely contaminated and will require remediation that costs 10’s of millions, if not over $100m. Let’s pick the vast low hanging fruit first, like Smythe St area and Prince William, Water streets

Are any of these locations known to be severely contaminated?

Much of the AIM site may be, but I don't think the offices are.

Did you actually watch the video where Trudeau talked about the idea?

• Video Link

Based on what he said, the federal government could allow condos and apartments to be built right on top of the cruise ship terminal buildings, or beside them.

Is this mess on the corner of Broad and Charlotte critical to port operations? I doubt it! Build some apartments here, and clean up this streetfront.



There's more than 300 acres of federally owned port lands in Saint John, it goes without saying some of it remains far under-utilized, and non critical to port operations, where they could absolutely squeeze in some housing.

The Port CEO was on CBC Information Morning Saint John and was asked about the topic of building housing on port lands in response to Trudeau's video (around 7:40 mark), and his response was actually far more positive than many of the posters on here have been regarding Trudeau's idea. He specifically said for anything to happen, it would have to come down from the minister of transport, but that it could be possible... and that we do need to get bold and start thinking outside the current paradigm to fix the housing crisis.

While, there's certainly far lower hanging fruit in Saint John to build housing, this is a fruit that would ultimately come with far more federal funding than the average project, or could even entirely federally funded depending on the project. I think it's worth looking into when it was the Prime Minister himself that presented the idea to the public.

[sailor734]

Firstly, is the housing issue in SJ largely due to a lack of sites or is it a lack of well financed, experienced developers and the unavailability of sufficient numbers of qualified construction managers and skilled trades people?

As to site contamination, remember that the waterfront of SJ has been industrialized for over 200 years. Original piers were preserved with pitch and later creosote, Structures had lead paint and asbestos was used extensively for boilers and steam lines.

Boilers used first coal and then bunker C oil. Spills of these as well as diesel and lubricating oil were not uncommon over the years.

I'd only be surprised if an area around the waterfront did not have environmental issues.

[adamuptownsj]

I tried to acquire a piece of port land for housing that wasn't even contiguous to Lower Cove (the triangular vacant lot between Ross and Lower Cove Loop) just last year and the BD team at the port said, while the land was of no use to them, it would take a multi-year review and the Minister's approval to even allow a long term lease.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by adamuptownsj

I tried to acquire a piece of port land for housing that wasn't even contiguous to Lower Cove (the triangular vacant lot between Ross and Lower Cove Loop) just last year and the BD team at the port said, while the land was of no use to them, it would take a multi-year review and the Minister's approval to even allow a long term lease.

Was that before or after Trudeau floated the idea?


If Trudeau wants to build on top of federally owned property, the cruise ship terminals would probably be the best place to start in terms of port owned lands in SJ.


I still think that corner of Charlotte and Broad is ridiculous. We aren’t allowed to have shelter logic sheds in our driveways in Saint John, and they got one there off one of our main streets like 500 meters away from the cruise ship terminal, it looks like a mess and with all kinds of other junk there… surely it isn’t critical to their operations. There’s definitely room for some housing there and other places on the fringe.

I doubt Wayne Long would ever do anything to try and make it happen, but going over his head to the minister of transport and the minister of housing. You never know. What do the Liberals have to lose at this point?

[cdnguys]

Arica Express might be another new one to port - quite wide at 37 m

[PSJ harbour]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

Arica Express might be another new one to port - quite wide at 37 m

Looking like a replacement on the HL Med service that’s lightens in Saint John and calls Montreal after.

[cdnguys]

Port said container traffic up 25% YTD
I would’ve thought it fell

[adamuptownsj]

ACOA loaning Crosby's $700K to build a short rail spur to their facilities at the port, which will give them a third method of transport (joining road and rail).

I wonder if this same spur will go to the planned Americold facility?

https://tj.news/saint-john-south/cro...-for-rail-spur

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by adamuptownsj

ACOA loaning Crosby's $700K to build a short rail spur to their facilities at the port, which will give them a third method of transport (joining road and rail).

I wonder if this same spur will go to the planned Americold facility?

https://tj.news/saint-john-south/cro...-for-rail-spur

Great news for the west side.

[cdnguys]

New to SJ ship coming this month - the MONA LISA

[DevelopmentAndy]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

Are any of these locations known to be severely contaminated?

Much of the AIM site may be, but I don't think the offices are.

Did you actually watch the video where Trudeau talked about the idea?

• Video Link

Based on what he said, the federal government could allow condos and apartments to be built right on top of the cruise ship terminal buildings, or beside them.

Is this mess on the corner of Broad and Charlotte critical to port operations? I doubt it! Build some apartments here, and clean up this streetfront.



There's more than 300 acres of federally owned port lands in Saint John, it goes without saying some of it remains far under-utilized, and non critical to port operations, where they could absolutely squeeze in some housing.

The Port CEO was on CBC Information Morning Saint John and was asked about the topic of building housing on port lands in response to Trudeau's video (around 7:40 mark), and his response was actually far more positive than many of the posters on here have been regarding Trudeau's idea. He specifically said for anything to happen, it would have to come down from the minister of transport, but that it could be possible... and that we do need to get bold and start thinking outside the current paradigm to fix the housing crisis.

While, there's certainly far lower hanging fruit in Saint John to build housing, this is a fruit that would ultimately come with far more federal funding than the average project, or could even entirely federally funded depending on the project. I think it's worth looking into when it was the Prime Minister himself that presented the idea to the public.

More really stupid ideas from a man who has none himself but just hucks whatever Katie Telford and Gerald Butts put in front of him. He is not alone on this sadly as PP states the same nonsense. In most of Canada including Saint John there is no shortage of land for development. Destroying the industrial base of the city seems to be a strange policy for housing.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by DevelopmentAndy

More really stupid ideas from a man who has none himself but just hucks whatever Katie Telford and Gerald Butts put in front of him. He is not alone on this sadly as PP states the same nonsense. In most of Canada including Saint John there is no shortage of land for development. Destroying the industrial base of the city seems to be a strange policy for housing.

How incredibly hyperbolic… the New Brunswick way.

Building some apartments on this under-utilized corner of lower cove terminal would not destroy the industrial base of the city. Come on now

Go visit the link on google maps and get back to us to explain how that would interfere port operations. Thanks!

[CharlotteCountyLogan]

I see there's a cargo ship docked at Long Wharf. Does anyone know what the cargo is?

[Sabien]

There are a few massive wind turbine blades stacked on the wharf that weren’t there a few days ago. I think they came from that ship. It’s always shocking to walk past and see them up close - so huge!

[CharlotteCountyLogan]

Originally Posted by Sabien

There are a few massive wind turbine blades stacked on the wharf that weren’t there a few days ago. I think they came from that ship. It’s always shocking to walk past and see them up close - so huge!

I wonder where they are heading to.

[cdnguys]

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[sailor734]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

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Such a huge change in one lifetime. When I was a kid growing up by Beaconsfield School in the late 60's the whole west side was piers and warehouses. Ships were small enough that some could berth in a slip one behind the other. The grain elevators were still there as was the customs and immigration hall (the CP Empress liners had only stopped sailing a few years before. The whole port area was 1930's vintage (rebuilt after the big fire). CFBC radio would announce every morning how many longshoremen were needed .....so many 4 man gangs, 6 man gangs, liftjack operators and checkers etc etc. Cargo was on pallets, bales or in wooden crates and the ships all had derricks. Ships would be in port for days being unloaded or loaded. Much bigger crews too. You'd often see them uptown shopping.

The port would be full in the winter with every berth taken and ships often waiting at anchor for space. I can still remember all the ship's horns sounding at midnight on New Years Eve.

All gone within a few decades.

[cdnguys]

As a kid I’d hear announcements on CFBC that gangs were required / not required at port. I didn’t know what they meant by that and pictured a bunch of Dick Tracy cars with unsavoury characters headed to port

[sailor734]

Funny how strong the memories are of those port labour needed announcements on the radio from winter mornings getting ready for school......that and the Irving Oil ad with the jingle set to the music of I's the b'y that builds the boat.

https://www.quiltingboard.com/genera...t145266-7.html

Irving stove and fuel oil
keeps your pipes from freezing
Irving stove and fuel oil
keeps you nose from sneezing
It may rain for 90 days
Might even snow forever
But with a good supply of Irving oil
You can beat the weather