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Old Posted Oct 26, 2023, 6:53 PM
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Heard a rumour that some entity in Canada is sniffing around the A350. Speculate away.
My guess is Transat.

AC doesn’t need the A350 just yet. They just ordered the 787-10, which competes with the A350-900, and has it beat on CASM to Europe. Plus the 777s still have some life left in them.

WS would order more 789s, not A350s. So that only leaves TS.
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Heard a rumour that some entity in Canada is sniffing around the A350. Speculate away.
Allegedly is AC with the 350-1000 to replace/supplement the 777!
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2023, 7:48 AM
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Allegedly is AC with the 350-1000 to replace/supplement the 777!
I'm eager to see AC's Q3 results and management discussion next monday ! A lot has happened with the fleet since Q2 results were released back in August.

B787-10 order
2 77F order canceled

According to planespotters and flyertalk,

6 A320s will join the fleet (4 ex. Virgin America/Alaska, 2 ex China Southern)
1 A321 ex. BR
2 A330s ex. SQ

and now this A350-1000 rumor....

None of this stuff was in the Q2 fleet plans.

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Old Posted Oct 29, 2023, 10:35 AM
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Heard a rumour that some entity in Canada is sniffing around the A350. Speculate away.
Would make sense for AC. The 777s are getting old. The 787-10 is too small. And maybe the 777X is too big? Though with AC stuffing 400-450 in a 77W, I would have thought they would go for the 779. But maybe they think they can fit 400 in an A350-1000?
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Would make sense for AC. The 777s are getting old. The 787-10 is too small. And maybe the 777X is too big? Though with AC stuffing 400-450 in a 77W, I would have thought they would go for the 779. But maybe they think they can fit 400 in an A350-1000?
The 779 is more aimed as a A380/747 replacement; it's a step up from the 777-300ER in capacity. It's probably too large (and still isn't flying yet) for an airline like AC. It seems to be aimed at airlines who've large connecting hubs (Lufthansa, BA, Singapore, Emirates) that can make use of the space for big numbers of seats plus a big premium cabin.

Given that Qatar and Virgin Atlantic put 390+ seats in their A350-1000s, I suspect AC will have no problem making 400+ work given that AC has a smaller premium cabin than most flag carriers.

AC's strategy might be capacity discipline with the A350. Super-large capacities are great if one can fill them at decent fares. If not, the extra seats are somewhat wasted. So, much beyond 400 for most AC routes is probably overkill, especially in low season.

I suspect the A350's superior fuel efficiency at range is the hook. AC seems to be making a play for Canada-South Asia direct (Dubai, India, etc.) so a very long-haul, relatively large capacity airplane with decent fuel-efficiency is probably the ticket for that market.

The 777 can do these routes, but I think the A350 would make these routes look much better to the accountants. Given what lead times are in the aircraft industry and the fact that the 777 fleet is in their mid-teens now, a replacement strategy that is looking 4-7+ years down the road makes sense.
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With the arrival of the winter schedule, we are back down to only two Air Canada departures to YYZ daily from YQM. There are at 0510 hrs (!!!) and 2145 hrs. Obviously the only option for making connections in Toronto is the 0510 flight, but, Jesus Christ, you would have to wake up at 3 AM in order to make your flight. I mean, why the fuck even bother going to bed!!!

Ah, the joys of the hub and spoke system if you are a peon living in one of the outer colonies........
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2023, 6:39 PM
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The 779 is more aimed as a A380/747 replacement; it's a step up from the 777-300ER in capacity. It's probably too large (and still isn't flying yet) for an airline like AC.
Not really. The 777-8/9 are perfect 77W replacements. The A350-1000 doesn't quite cut it, in terms of capacity (that's a weird sentence to say in and of itself, but keep reading).



AC will need the 777-9, especially at capacity constrained airports like YYZ and YUL. In fact, I'd be flabbergasted if they didn't order it eventually. Now don't get me wrong. This is not to say they will not order the A350-1000. The latter has less capacity than the 777-9, but a lot more range, which will come in handy for AC, especially on the ULH routes to India, as you say. The 77W cannot fly those missions at the moment, which is why they are mostly flown by the 789 and 77L. Even the 777-9s range won't cut it (see link below). So I think there is definitely a place in AC's network for the A350-1000, as it can carry more passengers than the 789 and 78X, significantly further than both. But make no mistake, AC will need a sub-fleet of 450 seater machines, and the 777-9 fits that bill perfectly.

https://www.boeing.com/commercial/777x/

Either way, TS or AC, it's safe to say it will be a Montreal based carrier ordering the first Canadian A350. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if both of them operate the type, eventually. But I agree about TS. The A330-900neo makes more sense for them.

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Heard a rumour that some entity in Canada is sniffing around the A350. Speculate away.
You can now add A330neo to the list in addition to A350. Oh, and I’m upgrading from “sniffing” to whatever is higher on the meter.

Speculate.
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You can now add A330neo to the list in addition to A350. Oh, and I’m upgrading from “sniffing” to whatever is higher on the meter.

Speculate.
Porter's getting into the Asia game. (I mean, someone has to say them first lol).
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Heard a rumour that some entity in Canada is sniffing around the A350. Speculate away.


Truth: it was much much stronger than a rumour but I minced my words. However, it took much longer to announce than I expected.
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Old Posted Oct 26, 2023, 8:21 PM
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YOW's September pax stats.

Sector / Sep-22 / Sep-23 / % Change
Dom: 276,775 / 300,789 / +8.7%
TB: 14,746 / 38,599 / +161.8%
Int'l: 0 / 8,672 / #DIV/0! - around a 92% LF for September as AF had one roundtrip cxx due to a mechanical
TTL: 291,521 / 348,060 / +19.4%

Sector / YTD 2022 / YTD 2023 / % Change
Dom: 1,963,044 / 2,435,728 / +24.1%
TB: 106,969 / 403,677 / +277.4%
Int'l: 42,722 / 221,137 / +417.6%
TTL: 2,112,735 / 3,060,542 / +44.9%

Month-Over-Month Change
Sector / Aug-23 / Sep-23 / % Change
Dom: 336,239 / 300,789 / -10.5%
TB: 44,748 / 38,599 / -13.7%
Int'l: 9,166 / 8,672 / -5.4%
TTL: 390,153 / 348,060 / -10.8%
Avg/Day: 12,586 / 11,602 / -7.8%
% of month's avg daily pax vs 2019 (2019 = 13,990 avg pax/day) = 82.9% = worst recovery month since May
YTD TTL vs YTD 2019 = 78.8%

12 Months Rolling / % Change vs Year End 2021
Dom: 3,181,683 / +178.1%
TB: 487,043 / +4,232.4%
Int'l: 271,415 / 1,640.2%
TTL: 3,940,141 / +236.5% - closing in on 4 million

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Today is the first day of a lot of Air Canada changes (in the west at least, probably also in the east I just don't have all the adjustments). AC started YVR-DXB, really hoping it does well so it becomes yer-round. Over at YYC, it was the last day of FRA, YOW, LAX, and YHZ. After today, it really fades away. They still have a lot of domestic flights to YVR, YYZ, and YUL (obviously, as those are AC hubs) but barely anything else substantial.

Some somewhat recent YVR tidbits:
-Fiji Airways switched to the larger 350 and up to 3x weekly for much of the winter
-Air Canada increasing HKG service to 10-11 for some of the winter period (normally it is just daily)
-Turkish Airlines up gauging to a 777-300ER

I did a quick flight and seat tally for Westjet at it's three non-YYC "hubs" (in reality only YYC is really a hub now, the others are essentially operating bases, I think that's the term?)

Using a week in January 2024, here is the flight breakdown by city and by seats (seat totals are approx. only). It includes mainline, Encore, and Link, but not Sunwing:
YVR - 425 flights, 54,672 seats
YYZ - 329 Flights, 52,778 seats
YEG - 245 flights, 33,084 seats

YYZ still very strong for WS in the winter with the amount of sun flying, but domestically and non-Florida, they are quite weak (at least compared to how it used to be even a couple years back). The reason they are far behind YVR on # of flights but not that far off based on seats is because the sun destinations are all jet flights, and Encore pulled out of YYZ. So they are a jet-only airport, hence the large # of seats despite less flights. YVR is strong for mainline plus they are strong for Encore and Link. But those planes are smaller, so they increase total amount of flights more than seats. YEG is quite a distant 3rd place, I was surprised until I did the spreadsheet and saw the numbers, I thought all three airports were closer. But keep in mind, this is January 2024, so as far from peak season as it gets, this is just a comparison with all at the same time of year.

Now switch to Summer 2024, using a standard week in July:
YVR - 469 flights, 59,911 seats
YEG - 346 flights, 43,094 seats
YYZ - 311 Flights, 49,953 seats

YEG leapfrogs YYZ to take 2nd place in # of flights. And with a very healthy bump in seats. But again, due to YYZ being all-jet and YEG having a big Encore component, they are still 3rd in seats. YEG is the most Encore-heavy of the three, at 70% of flights being operated by Encore. YVR is just under half (49%) of flights operated by Encore and Link combined. YYZ as mentioned, has no Encore.

YVR and YEG do better in summer, and YYZ does better in winter. YYZ has always been strong in winter due to such a massive network of sun destinations, it's seemingly endless, with so much capacity with Air Canada, Transat, Sunwing, Westjet, all operating, and so many individual destinations, really wild to see YYZ's "southern" destinations list. But still, not enough to lift it above YVR, which is more more consistent seasonally as well as more diverse with strong domestic, transborder, and sun destinations (of the three sectors, international is obviously weakest, but still not that bad for YVR; YVR has historically not been as strong to the Caribbean as every other Canadian airport, it is much more Mexico, the western US, and Hawaii). But it's interesting to see the patterns and performance of Westjet's "other 3 hubs". YVR very clearly in 2nd place after YYC, with YEG/YYZ closer to each other and bigger or smaller than the other, depending on the definition of bigger as well as the season. It is still so wild to me to see how viciously WS cut YYZ down, that's my biggest takeaway. They were so big for WS, and at times I think they were even bigger than YYC by seat capacity (I know I need to verify this, I will try and dig around but I do remember in the past reading that WS actually had more capacity than YYC during a certain period). So to see them in this condition is shocking, having less summer flights than YEG? That would have been inconceivable in years past. YYZ is such a crowded market, there's just so many players and so much competition. Retrenching in YYC was the smart move of course, just crazy to see the actual numbers and how far it's fallen.

I will tackle YYC later today if I have time, it will be kind of funny to just see how insane the gap is between them and everyone else.
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Now switch to Summer 2024, using a standard week in July:
YVR - 469 flights, 59,911 seats
YEG - 346 flights, 43,094 seats
YYZ - 311 Flights, 49,953 seats

YEG leapfrogs YYZ to take 2nd place in # of flights. And with a very healthy bump in seats. But again, due to YYZ being all-jet and YEG having a big Encore component, they are still 3rd in seats. YEG is the most Encore-heavy of the three, at 70% of flights being operated by Encore. YVR is just under half (49%) of flights operated by Encore and Link combined. YYZ as mentioned, has no Encore.

YVR and YEG do better in summer, and YYZ does better in winter. YYZ has always been strong in winter due to such a massive network of sun destinations, it's seemingly endless, with so much capacity with Air Canada, Transat, Sunwing, Westjet, all operating, and so many individual destinations, really wild to see YYZ's "southern" destinations list. But still, not enough to lift it above YVR, which is more more consistent seasonally as well as more diverse with strong domestic, transborder, and sun destinations (of the three sectors, international is obviously weakest, but still not that bad for YVR; YVR has historically not been as strong to the Caribbean as every other Canadian airport, it is much more Mexico, the western US, and Hawaii). But it's interesting to see the patterns and performance of Westjet's "other 3 hubs". YVR very clearly in 2nd place after YYC, with YEG/YYZ closer to each other and bigger or smaller than the other, depending on the definition of bigger as well as the season. It is still so wild to me to see how viciously WS cut YYZ down, that's my biggest takeaway. They were so big for WS, and at times I think they were even bigger than YYC by seat capacity (I know I need to verify this, I will try and dig around but I do remember in the past reading that WS actually had more capacity than YYC during a certain period). So to see them in this condition is shocking, having less summer flights than YEG? That would have been inconceivable in years past. YYZ is such a crowded market, there's just so many players and so much competition. Retrenching in YYC was the smart move of course, just crazy to see the actual numbers and how far it's fallen.

I will tackle YYC later today if I have time, it will be kind of funny to just see how insane the gap is between them and everyone else.
I’m sure these numbers, especially out west, will be higher when WS releases their full schedule.
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Booked a flight from Ottawa to Winnipeg the other day for Christmas. Almost no direct flights left, unless you want to leave at 6 am. Everything else from Ottawa goes through Pearson, Montreal or Calgary.

I managed to get a YOW-YYZ-YWG flight there, and a direct flight back.
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Halifax is thankfully finally seeing some relief from the U.S. pilot shortage as American Airlines and Delta Airlines are returning with daily non-stop service to LaGuardia. Only Toronto Pearson, Montreal and Halifax will have service to the brand new LaGuardia Terminals B & C.

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A new 2x Daily on Delta Airlines from YHZ to LGA . American Airlines is also adding 1x daily YHZ to LGA. Halifax-NYC is actually shorter than Halifax-Toronto.

Beginning in June 2024 there will be four scheduled daily flights from YHZ to NYC airports:





Where you can connect to from New York LaGuardia:



2024 non-stop to the U.S. Northeast from Halifax Stanfield:

Boston

Air Canada 1x Daily (78 seat Q400)
American Airlines 1x Weekly Seasonal (80 seat E175)

New York area airports

Air Canada EWR 1x Daily (78 seat Q400)
American Airlines LGA 1x Daily Seasonal (80 seat E175)
Delta Airlines LGA 2x Daily (80 seat E175)

Philadelphia

American Airlines 1x Daily Seasonal (128 seat A319)

Washington Reagan

American Airlines 1x Weekly Seasonal (80 seat E175)[/QUOTE]
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I am grateful afaik Canadian airports provide free Wi-Fi, we just used LAX and there is no free wifi at all and the food there is so expensive.
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I am grateful afaik Canadian airports provide free Wi-Fi, we just used LAX and there is no free wifi at all and the food there is so expensive.
I was just at LAX too and there was free WiFi. It even worked surprisingly well.
https://www.flylax.com/lax-wifi

Food is expensive and over priced at all airports.
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I was just at LAX too and there was free WiFi. It even worked surprisingly well.
https://www.flylax.com/lax-wifi
Except that it's only free for 45min...

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Anyways, some AC update over the last 2 weeks:

S24 changes
YYZ-YQY upgrade to mainline A319. I don't remember YQY ever get mainline service?
YUL-ZBF reduce to 4x weekly year-round. Maybe this is another the route that's at risk of being cut from AC's network altogether, after YYF?

W24 changes
The primary schedule once again shows some flight number reorg, for the 500 and 900 series:

YVR-DEN move down to 576/578
YYZ-HNL no longer in schedule
YYZ-IAH move up to 590/592
YUL-SEA move down to 596

Not sure what's the reason for this move... make more room for 6th daily YVR-SFO or 3rd daily YVR-HNL?

YUL-MBJ move up to 920
YUL-CUN move up to 922
YYZ-SJD move down to 976
YYZ-PVR move down to 988

So now the CUN and SJD flights from YVR/YYZ/YUL are all grouped together. PVR are still at random places, unless they kick MEX out and move the YVR flight down. One thing of note is that while they bother reorg the 900 series, they didn't make any extra room for new European XLR routes. So either they'll need to move them again for S25, or they have a completely different plan?


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Except that it's only free for 45min...

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Anyways, some AC update over the last 2 weeks:

S24 changes
YYZ-YQY upgrade to mainline A319. I don't remember YQY ever get mainline service?
YUL-ZBF reduce to 4x weekly year-round. Maybe this is another the route that's at risk of being cut from AC's network altogether, after YYF?

W24 changes
The primary schedule once again shows some flight number reorg, for the 500 and 900 series:

YVR-DEN move down to 576/578
YYZ-HNL no longer in schedule
YYZ-IAH move up to 590/592
YUL-SEA move down to 596

Not sure what's the reason for this move... make more room for 6th daily YVR-SFO or 3rd daily YVR-HNL?

YUL-MBJ move up to 920
YUL-CUN move up to 922
YYZ-SJD move down to 976
YYZ-PVR move down to 988

So now the CUN and SJD flights from YVR/YYZ/YUL are all grouped together. PVR are still at random places, unless they kick MEX out and move the YVR flight down. One thing of note is that while they bother reorg the 900 series, they didn't make any extra room for new European XLR routes. So either they'll need to move them again for S25, or they have a completely different plan?


PS. first post on a new II thread!
A few comments:
-YQY would have had AC mainline service until probably circa 1990 on DC-9s.

-AC are obligated to continue serving ZBF as it was one of the dozen or so cities Transport Canada put a condition on of restarting service to as part of the COVID-19 bailout. They're keeping the bare minimum of service in order to meet their obligation. ZBF the airport itself is in a pretty dire financial situation: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-b...nces-1.6952158

I wish before locking the old thread, the mods would have linked to the new thread. Took me a couple of days to figure out what had happened and where to locate the new thread.
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