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Old Posted Aug 6, 2022, 2:08 AM
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Airbnb is basically gone from Ottawa from what I understand.
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Airbnb is basically gone from Ottawa from what I understand.
AirBnB listings have exploded everywhere over the last two years. Cities aren't enforcing much in the way of rules.

I hope it gets killed. Ruins neighbourhoods. Kills hotels. Relies on skirting the law.
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AirBnB has basically been legitimized in Ottawa. The city now collects occupancy tax through every booking. Owners have to apply for permits every two years subject to inspection, which are only given if the rental unit is within a principal residence. AirBnB even remits HST on behalf of owners. Revenues are also taxed through the owners income tax. In short, AirBnB has become a revenue stream for the governments and taxed just like hotels.

There is absolutely nothing bad about AirBnB once it’s regulated. Just like Uber, it gives the general public an opportunity for entry-level enterprise in an environment that has been made hostile to entrepreneurship by big business and government bureaucracy. Most AirBnB owners I know are doing it to cope with rising property tax and utilities amid stagnant or declining income. It isn’t exactly “fun” having other people in your house, most of those left doing AirBnB since the regulations which came into effect in May are doing it to survive.
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It'd be fine, if AirBnB was just people renting out basements. But it's not. It's people renting out entire houses. And this is terrible on so many levels. It's bad for neighbourhood cohesiveness and safety, just having randos rotate through every night. It's terrible for housing affordability as regular people now get to compete with the revenue stream of a wannabe hotelier. It's also terrible fire actually attracting hotels to Ottawa.
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It'd be fine, if AirBnB was just people renting out basements. But it's not. It's people renting out entire houses. And this is terrible on so many levels. It's bad for neighbourhood cohesiveness and safety, just having randos rotate through every night. It's terrible for housing affordability as regular people now get to compete with the revenue stream of a wannabe hotelier. It's also terrible fire actually attracting hotels to Ottawa.
Thant is simply not the case in Ottawa right now, the rules have changed. In order to have an AirBnB /short term rental (STR) permit, you have to prove that it is within your principal residence, and you have to have insurance that covers such activity. AirBnB will not list your place if you do not have that permit.

I’d rather local home owners get revenue opportunities than billionaire hoteliers from elsewhere. If you’re happy with your cushy government or corporate salary and shop in chain stores that’s fine, but I prefer to live in a world where kids can still set up lemonade stands, moms can sell cookies and farmers are free to sell produce in roadside shacks. One of the reasons we live in an mediocre environment of big box stores and ubiquitous franchises is we’ve basically strangled entrepreneurship and vernacular mom-and-pop businesses.

LOL at “ It's bad for neighbourhood cohesiveness and safety, just having randos rotate through every night.” I’ve stayed in AirBnBs and spent money in neighbourhood stores and restaurants without endangering the lives of residents. Are hotel districts which are full of rotating randos unsafe areas?
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Thant is simply not the case in Ottawa right now, the rules have changed. In order to have an AirBnB /short term rental (STR) permit, you have to prove that it is within your principal residence, and you have to have insurance that covers such activity. AirBnB will not list your place if you do not have that permit.
Just search AirBnB for Ottawa and put in a large number of adults. You'll find whole homes. The rules may say something. But enforcement is rather lax.

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I’d rather local home owners get revenue opportunities than billionaire hoteliers from elsewhere. If you’re happy with your cushy government or corporate salary and shop in chain stores that’s fine, but I prefer to live in a world where kids can still set up lemonade stands, moms can sell cookies and farmers are free to sell produce in roadside shacks. One of the reasons we live in an mediocre environment of big box stores and ubiquitous franchises is we’ve basically strangled entrepreneurship and vernacular mom-and-pop businesses.
That's a lot of words to say you don't care about housing affordability.

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But in recent years the impact of Airbnb’s service on local economics and rental markets has come under the spotlight. And analysis conducted by the Economic Policy Institute, a non-profit, non-partisan American think tank, found that the economic costs of Airbnb likely outweigh the benefits.

While the introduction and expansion of Airbnb into cities around the world carries large potential economic benefits and costs, the costs to renters and local jurisdictions likely exceed the benefits to travellers and property owners.’

The ‘Airbnb effect’ is to some extent remarkably similar to gentrification in that it slowly increases the value of an area to the detriment of the indigenous residents, many of whom are pushed out due to financial constraints.

Cities, popular ones especially, seem to fare the worst. In major cities such as Amsterdam, Barcelona, Edinburgh, and Los Angeles, studies on the ‘Airbnb effect’ have found that over-tourism facilitated by platforms such as Airbnb negatively impacts on house prices and communities.

The short-term rental sector is just as affected. Research conduced by the Harvard Business Review across the US found that Airbnb is having a detrimental impact on housing stock as it encourages landlords to move their properties out from out of the long-term rental and for-sale markets and into the short-term rental market.

A separate U.S. study found that a 1% increase in Airbnb listings leads to a 0.018% increase in rents and a 0.026% increase in house prices. It might not seem like much on the surface but there’s a cost creep for those looking to rent long-term or buy.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/garybar...h=56ed934a2226

No amount of evasive nonsense about not allowing lemonade stands can hide the fact that there's massive externalities with AirBnB that are usually borne by our most vulnerable. I'm glad cities are coming around to outright banning them. And if we aren't going to actually enforce the rules we set (and a single search will show you how lax enforcement is), that should be the next step.

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LOL at “ It's bad for neighbourhood cohesiveness and safety, just having randos rotate through every night.” I’ve stayed in AirBnBs and spent money in neighbourhood stores and restaurants without endangering the lives of residents. Are hotel districts which are full of rotating randos unsafe areas?
You know what you're getting if you choose to live in a hotel district. Most people aren't up for their actual neighbourhood to just become a hotel district. And for actual business development, it sucks. Instead of getting cool boutique hotels, we'll have nice neighbourhoods filled up with AirBnBs instead of actual people who live there.

AirBnBs were actually cool a decade ago when it was somebody's basement and you had a real host. Today it's a way for real estate investors to avoid the need for long term tenants and avoid having to comply with all those pesky rules (like stricter fire codes and commercial zoning) that we impose on hotels.
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You probably think farmers markets are a threat to Loblaws and food trucks undermine McDonalds. If you want to make the Marriott and Hiltons richer on your steady salary that’s fine but as someone who has been self-employed for decades I’d rather support like minded small entrepreneurs.

I know a lot of people who have been able to keep their homes because of STR, so it’s actually made housing affordable for them. If you actually talk to them, most of the clientele in Ottawa is mostly visiting friends and family who want to stay close to whoever they’re visiting, and new people moving to Ottawa who want to try out neighbourhoods. The media keeps on spotlighting the rare cases of party houses to get the Karens all riled up.

I did a lot of backpacking when I was younger and back then in Europe and Asia people would actually go out to the train station and offer rooms in their houses for rent. This has been going on longer than AirBnB. Heck, a lot of tourist offices in Europe even acted as agents for private rooms. Again a lot of so-called studies have blamed STRs for affecting housing affordability in touristic cities, when the problem really is over-tourism. We don’t even have that problem in Ottawa. Our housing affordability issues are due to the fact that there are enough people who are willing and able to afford the higher prices on a finite number of properties and NIMBYs wanting to preserve “neighbourhood character” for all eternity.
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You probably think farmers markets are a threat to Loblaws and food trucks undermine McDonalds. If you want to make the Marriott and Hiltons richer on your steady salary that’s fine but as someone who has been self-employed for decades I’d rather support like minded small entrepreneurs.
You're making a lot of assumptions about me. All to defend a large gig economy foreign corporation. I assure you that AirBnB shareholders neither know of or care about your service.

For the record, I'm fine with food trucks and farmers markets. They don't destroy affordability. They improve it.

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I know a lot of people who have been able to keep their homes because of STR, so it’s actually made housing affordable for them.
So they bought property beyond their means and are relying on rentals for income? Why can't they just rent out to long term tenants? We know why....

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If you actually talk to them, most of the clientele in Ottawa is mostly visiting friends and family who want to stay close to whoever they’re visiting, and new people moving to Ottawa who want to try out neighbourhoods. The media keeps on spotlighting the rare cases of party houses to get the Karens all riled up.
It's the not media driving protests against AirBnBs in other cities or driving buildings to put in clauses against STRs by unit owners.

Also, like I said, this would be less of an issue, if the city actually enforced the rules This is the part you seem to be ignoring in your reflexive zeal to defend AirBnB. It's hard to feel sympathy when whole houses and condos are available for rent. So the rules are a joke.

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I did a lot of backpacking when I was younger and back then in Europe and Asia people would actually go out to the train station and offer rooms in their houses for rent. This has been going on longer than AirBnB. Heck, a lot of tourist offices in Europe even acted as agents for private rooms.
Still talking about rooms while ignoring that these people put entire homes for rent. Do you think people in Barcelona are fighting back against AirBnB because some grandma is renting out a spare room? Are you really that naive?

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Again a lot of so-called studies have blamed STRs for affecting housing affordability in touristic cities, when the problem really is over-tourism. We don’t even have that problem in Ottawa. Our housing affordability issues are due to the fact that there are enough people who are willing and able to afford the higher prices on a finite number of properties and NIMBYs wanting to preserve “neighbourhood character” for all eternity.
All added to by a chunk of housing stock ending up as rentals to tourists instead of housing residents.

On topic, anybody dreaming of boutique hotels. This is what you're up against. Why build a hotel at Dow's Lake when somebody who owns a house or condo there will move to Barrhaven and put the whole place on AirBnB? Hard for any hotel to make a business case then.

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You're making a lot of assumptions about me. All to defend a large gig economy foreign corporation. I assure you that AirBnB shareholders neither know of or care about your service.

For the record, I'm fine with food trucks and farmers markets. They don't destroy affordability. They improve it..
As you are quick to make a lot of assumptions about me and others here.

Farmers markets and food trucks are “affordable”? If you like to pay $10 for 6 potatoes and $15 for a hotdog they are. Those farmers markets are setup just like AirBnB in a microcosm. It’s little guys needing exposure.

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So they bought property beyond their means and are relying on rentals for income? Why can't they just rent out to long term tenants? We know why....
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Uh no. Property taxes have gone up 4-fold in some pats of the city over the last couple of decades while incomes have barely gone up .Upkeep on an older home is a bitch on a stagnant pension. Beats getting a part-time job working for somebody else to make ends meet.

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Also, like I said, this would be less of an issue, if the city actually enforced the rules This is the part you seem to be ignoring in your reflexive zeal to defend AirBnB. It's hard to feel sympathy when whole houses and condos are available for rent. So the rules are a joke.

Still talking about rooms while ignoring that these people put entire homes for rent. Do you think people in Barcelona are fighting back against AirBnB because some grandma is renting out a spare room? Are you really that naive?
Most drivers over speed despite posted speed limits. Nobody talks of banning large engines because they are capable of breaking the rules. The problems of Barcelona and Paris have existed before AirBnB and those conditions of over-tourism don’t exist in Ottawa—we’d love to have some of it.

The Glebe and Ottawa South were far more interesting neighbourhood in the mid-1980s when I was a student at Careleon. They were chock full of student housing, interest rates were over 10% but three guys and I could shell $200 a piece every month for a semi-detached. That was affordable housing. Fastforward after decades of historically low interest rates and first-time buyers incentives, all those houses have been bought out by NIMBYs who think their neighbourhoods have always been such gentrified bastions and should forever remain that way. Student housing should only be provided by corporations who put up Envie. Maybe, just maybe, it’s the economic policies and incentives that have backfired to make housing less affordable. Policymakers won’t admit to their mistakes, so it must be the little guy renting out houses who’s at fault.

You seem to be focused on the investors who buy properties. There are ways of weeding them out. The rules are new, don’t expect instant enforcement. There are also ways of honing the regulations without killing entrepreneurship entirely.

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On topic, anybody dreaming of boutique hotels. This is what you're up against. Why build a hotel at Dow's Lake when somebody who owns a house or condo there will move to Barrhaven and put the whole place on AirBnB? Hard for any hotel to make a business case then.
Instead of embracing platforms like AirBnB and VRBO that help keep the tourism industry vibrant and more equitable to the local population, let’s favour somebody else, preferably big money to put up a hotel. Someone else who’ll pay low wages for menial labour to people who won’t afford housing. Packaged and contrived chic-ness over local vernacular. Yay.

Hotels didn’t invent the hospitality industry, it was Joe Blow in some village who statred offering rooms to travellers.
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Thant is simply not the case in Ottawa right now, the rules have changed. In order to have an AirBnB /short term rental (STR) permit, you have to prove that it is within your principal residence, and you have to have insurance that covers such activity. AirBnB will not list your place if you do not have that permit.

I’d rather local home owners get revenue opportunities than billionaire hoteliers from elsewhere. If you’re happy with your cushy government or corporate salary and shop in chain stores that’s fine, but I prefer to live in a world where kids can still set up lemonade stands, moms can sell cookies and farmers are free to sell produce in roadside shacks. One of the reasons we live in an mediocre environment of big box stores and ubiquitous franchises is we’ve basically strangled entrepreneurship and vernacular mom-and-pop businesses.

LOL at “ It's bad for neighbourhood cohesiveness and safety, just having randos rotate through every night.” I’ve stayed in AirBnBs and spent money in neighbourhood stores and restaurants without endangering the lives of residents. Are hotel districts which are full of rotating randos unsafe areas?
Yes and maybe it is the crazy hotel prices and demand right now but from what I understand there is no availability on Airbnb in Ottawa. The rules are being followed. Maybe it is condo corps chasing them out also which isn't being done in Toronto for example.

There is certainly two sides to it though no? Clearly it does push up rents. We only need to look what happened early in pandemic when a flood of Airbnbs were listed for longterm rent.
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Short term rentals were and are fine when they were/are about shared spaces. Not so much when they become regulatory arbitrage by real estate investors looking to skirt the whole pile of rules we make for hotels. And many of these investors love to use the image of "Mom and Pop" renting out their basement to defend against statistics that show how much of the activity is anything but. AirBnB hasn't been about renting out basements for nearly a decade. And CBC found Ottawa was worse than Toronto or Vancouver in 2019:

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In all, there are 210 listers in Ottawa offering more than one property for rent. Otherwise known as "multilisters," they manage a total of 789 properties, representing 48 per cent of the city's listings.

That's well ahead of Toronto, where 42 per cent of listings are managed by multilisters, and Vancouver, with 32 per cent.

Gatineau, Que., has 79 hosts with multiple listings and they manage 52 per cent of the city's listings.

"Most of what's happening on Airbnb isn't home sharing," said David Wachsmuth, a McGill University urban planning professor who has studied the company for several years.

"Instead, it's something much more like commercial short-term rental operations.

"[These hosts] with multiple listings, they're the ones who are actually in this as a business who are renting their properties out year round," Wachsmuth said.

The CBC analysis shows up to 0.41 per cent of all Ottawa homes are listed on Airbnb.

Wachsmuth said if just one per cent or less of a city's housing is converted into short-term rentals, that can have a "really serious" impact on housing stocks.
Heck, we even have new terms for this: "ghost hotel".

On topic, there's no way for these urban neighbourhoods to attract boutique hotels if STRs are allowed to run rampant in these areas. It's a massive risk for an investor to fund a boutique hotel that has all kinds of higher building standards, maintenance and staffing requirements, zoning and taxes, while competing against somebody who lies about what they are doing with their property to the city and insurance companies. So even aside from the debate of whether STRs are beneficial to a city, everybody here should understand that this vision of boutique hotels in our trendy neighbourhoods isn't feasible when they are up against STRs in those same areas.

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Part of the problem is there is no way to rent out a place in Ontario on a non-permanent basis. If you’re going to be away for 6 months you can’t sign a lease (because you can’t evict someone for a year and even then you have to pay compensation). Same thing on the tenant side, if you need a place for 6 months during a renovation or for a temporary job you can’t get out of a lease for a year without significant costs.
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Ottawa’s hotel industry still faces ‘big hurdles’ to return to pre-pandemic levels, leaders say

By: David Sali, OBJ
Sep 15, 2022 4:46pm EDT


Hotel revenues in Canada’s major cities are expected to return to pre-pandemic levels by next year, according to a new report from a major real estate firm – but that rosy outlook is cold comfort to local industry officials who say Ottawa’s hospitality sector is still lagging other major centres.

The report from CBRE released Thursday says Canadian hotels made a “rocket-fuelled recovery” in 2022, thanks largely to a bigger-than-expected bounceback in domestic leisure travel and soaring inflation that pushed up average room rates.

The firm predicts the upward trajectory will continue over the next 12 months. CBRE is projecting that revenue per available room – a key metric in the hotel industry – will rise 11 per cent nationally from this year’s levels to $107 in 2023, about where it was in 2019, before COVID upended the hospitality sector.

The report is even more bullish on Ottawa’s year-over-year recovery. CBRE expects average revenue per available room at local hotels to jump 14 per cent next year compared with 2022, from $95 to $108. The overall occupancy rate, meanwhile, is projected to rise from 59 per cent to 65 per cent over the same period.

But the leader of Ottawa’s largest industry association argues that while the sector is on the right track, a closer look at the numbers suggests it’s a long way from hitting its stride.

“It’s better, but we still have some work to do,” Steve Ball, the president of the Ottawa Gatineau Hotel Association, told OBJ on Thursday. “There needs to be recognition that we’re in a little bit of trouble and we need some help.”

Ross Meredith, general manager of the Westin Ottawa and the Delta City Centre, echoed Ball’s assessment.

“It’s been the slowest market in Canada among major cities to respond,” Meredith said.

Ottawa’s projected revenue per available room, for example, is below CBRE’s overall projected average of $114 for the province as a whole.

Ball said the local industry’s current rate of $95 is a “fairly low number” due to a mix of factors, so the projected hike of 14 per cent in 2023 still doesn’t get it back to where it needs to be for local hotels to be on sound financial footing.

“Although (revenues) are improving, we are lagging way behind other major markets in Canada in our competitive set in terms of how well they’re performing,” he said.

Ball and other industry officials cite several factors for Ottawa’s failure to recover as quickly from the pandemic-fuelled slump as other big Canadian cities.

February’s Trucker Convoy protests dealt a crippling blow to the sector just as it was hoping to capitalize on the return of events like Winterlude, Ball said. His organization calculated that downtown hotels lost at least $18 million worth of bookings due to cancellations as a result of the protests.

“It damaged our reputation,” Meredith said, adding he believes some tourists are still wary of visiting the city after witnessing media coverage of the weeks-long demonstrations.

Ball and Meredith also noted that the No. 1 driver of local economic activity, the federal government, is still conducting most meetings and conferences remotely, meaning fewer people are travelling to the capital for in-person gatherings.

“Ottawa is in a bit of a unique position in that we’re so dependent on the federal government, and the federal government is changing the way they do business,” Ball said.

While a couple of major conventions gave downtown hotels a big boost last month – “We had an amazing August, no doubt,” Ball said – this fall’s meeting and events docket is nowhere near as full as it was in pre-COVID times, he added.

“There aren’t a lot of (conventions) on the books,” Ball said. “We’ll see a slowdown pretty quickly.”

Other hoteliers agree that despite a strong summer, the local industry’s outlook is far from certain.

Nyle Kelly, the general manager of Kanata’s Brookstreet Hotel, said his property had its highest July occupancy rate ever at 84 per cent, fuelled mainly by a surge in pent-up demand for domestic leisure travel.

But he said corporate bookings – which typically account for the majority of reservations at his lodging in the heart of the Kanata tech park – are still “really low” and showing no signs of an imminent rebound.

“The next six to eight months will be the true test of where our business truly is at,” Kelly explained.

Meredith also pointed to another factor for the industry’s struggles – the fact that air travel to the capital has been slow to regain altitude, due in part to the lack of international routes serving the city.

Passenger traffic at Ottawa International Airport is projected to reach just 50 per cent of pre-pandemic levels this year, a much lower percentage than in most other major Canadian cities, he said.

“We need to get past those … big hurdles for us to get back to what would be typical 2019 volumes and activity,” Meredith said. “There’s no reason to believe that we will be performing at the same level as the other Canadian cities.”

Ball said all levels of government must make reviving Ottawa’s tourism industry a top priority. With the city’s other two main economic drivers – the federal government and the high-tech industry – scaling back travel in the wake of the pandemic, it will be up to out-of-town leisure travellers to pick up the slack, he argued.

“If we’re going to move tourism to the top of the list, we have a lot of work to do,” Ball said, citing projects such as the redevelopment of LeBreton Flats, the revamp of Lansdowne Park and the revitalization of the ByWard Market as essential to the industry’s recovery.

“If we end up with a downtown core that’s got a lot of boarded-up businesses and doesn’t display well or provide the experiences tourists want, we’re up against it. It’s not just one easy fix. It’s so critical that we get all of the elements correct.”

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Crown Plaza in Hull closed when the pandemic started and remains closed. Apparently, it needs a lot of work so it won't open until at least 2023.

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The basement conference level of the Marriott has some serious "Shining" vibes with those carpets.

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Marriott Ottawa hotel sold to Toronto-based firm

David Sali, OBJ
August 1, 2023


Ottawa’s second-largest hotel has a new owner.

The Marriott Ottawa has been sold to Toronto-based Manga Hotels Group in a deal that closed last week. The purchase price was not released.

“This strategic acquisition further strengthens our position of owning and operating high-quality properties in diversified markets throughout Canada and the U.S.,” Manga president and CEO Sukhdev Toor said in a statement.

The 489-room property was previously owned by another Toronto firm, InnVest Hotels. The deal is the first major hotel transaction in the National Capital Region since the Westin was sold in 2019, and it also marks Manga’s first foray into the Ottawa market.

“They’ve got some big, big hotels that they own across the country, and I think Ottawa was a logical market for them to add to their portfolio,” said Alam Pirani, executive managing director of Canada and Caribbean for Colliers Hotels, which brokered the sale. “It makes sense from a strategic point of view. It was a natural market for them to enter.”

With its revolving rooftop room that is now an event space, the Marriott is one of downtown Ottawa’s most recognizable buildings. Opened in 1971 as a Holiday Inn, it later operated under the Radisson banner before being taken over by Marriott.

It’s the second time the property has changed hands in the last decade. InnVest acquired the hotel in 2014 from Vancouver’s Larco Investments.

Pirani said InnVest – which owns more than 80 lodgings, including Les Suites Hotel in downtown Ottawa as well as a pair of hotels in Kanata and a Comfort Inn in the east end – decided to divest the property as part of a major “rationalization” of its portfolio.

The Marriott last underwent significant renovations in 2010. Pirani said the new ownership group plans to modernize the hotel’s guest rooms and public areas, which include more than 36,000 square feet of meetings and events space.

“They’re definitely going to be spending capital on this,” he said. “I think Manga’s got some great ideas on what they want to do there. That’s an iconic hotel in that market and (the changes) will be well-received.”

Manga executives did not respond to requests for comment.

Ottawa Gatineau Hotel Association president Steve Ball said the deal represents a show of confidence in the region’s hospitality sector, which is still getting back on its feet after all but shutting down completely during the pandemic.

“When someone either invests in a purchase or a build, they wouldn’t do that if they didn’t think that the future of tourism was … going to remain strong,” he said. “All of that bodes well for our industry.”

Ball said the hotel industry in Ottawa is still lagging behind recoveries in many other Canadian cities because of its reliance on government clientele that has been slow to return.

“We’re not seeing the same number of corporate travellers that came here to do business with the federal government that we have had in the past,” he explained.

But he’s seeing signs of encouragement. Leisure travel to the capital was “very strong” in the spring, Ball said, adding that occupancy rates, while not back to 2019 levels, have been healthy so far this summer.

New builds

Hotel developers are also showing faith in the industry’s future. Three new Marriott-branded properties built by Montreal’s Rimap Hospitality – the AC Marriott on Rideau Street, the Moxy on York Street and the Marriott Renaissance on Slater Street – are expected to open downtown next year, and development applications have recently been filed for new hotel projects in Nepean and Orléans.

“We did have some inventory come out of the market over the pandemic,” Ball said. “It’s important to have the right balance. These new builds will help to replace some of the inventory we lost, and I’m optimistic that we are going to see growth in tourism.”

Pirani, who closely follows the local hotel industry, agrees it is on the rebound.

“If you look at the type of projects that are being built, they’re unique assets,” he said. “Ottawa’s always been a highly sought-after market from an investment perspective since not a lot of property comes to market.

“We’re bullish on Ottawa. If you look at operating performance across the country, Ottawa was probably a little slow out of the gate, but we’re seeing very strong numbers in the latter half of the second quarter and into the summer. It’s been positive.”
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Delta Hotel ripping out the grass on the podium terrace roof. Wonder what's up.
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The old Capitol Hill Hotel at 88 Albert St has been "renovated" and is now under the brand Sonder

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Why always charcoal? It was way nicer as mid century buff brick.

I see they only painted the front, not the side.
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That streetscape is pretty sad. Can't wait for Albert street rebuild.
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That streetscape is pretty sad. Can't wait for Albert street rebuild.
Oh yes. Ridiculously narrow sidewalks.
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