Perimeter Highway | Winnipeg

[bomberjet]

The Assiniboine River bridge is another story. It was rehabbed recently, with the east side closed for multiple years due to issues. It'll need to be widen including pier work in the river. Or do you build a new bridge to once side and reconfigure the old one.

[Dengler Avenue]

Also, for 101/6, should 6 also be twinned for the first 1~2 km as the ministry of transportation converts that intersection into an interchange? Because of how it still extends past 101 for a bit, perhaps we can build the interchange according to the design for 1/16?

[bomberjet]

I could see the one going in two phases. Single lanes on one bridge. With a future second bridge for twinning when CentrePort grows into that area.

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

I could see the one going in two phases. Single lanes on one bridge. With a future second bridge for twinning when CentrePort grows into that area.

Let's be realistic, the interchange won't be built until centreport is grown into the area and the intersection is beyond safe with semi traffic

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by vjose32

Seems really unnecessary to do anything with Wilkes, the amount of traffic on there is quite minimal.

The issue with the Wilkes and Perimeter interchange is the geometry and location of the merge lanes for Wilkes and has nothing to do with traffic volumes. For traffic exiting the SB flow they need to decelerated in a through lane and take an exit ramp in the blind spot of the bridge. If there is an issue preventing that from happening through traffic in the lane behind them doing 100 km/h (or more) does not have reasonable time to react safely. Similar traffic entering the NB flow comes out of a sharp turn limiting their speed and is almost immediately dumped into a 100 km/h through lane at the top of the bridge with a guard rail to the right and a hard median to the left. Before are among the most dangerous locations, by design, on the entire Perimeter. As previously mentioned, with mostly undeveloped agricultural land currently near the interchange the cost of lengthening those two problem areas to better address the legitimately safety concerns in keeping with modern standards would be fairly low in the grand scheme of changes being considering for the Perimeter.

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Didn't they rebuild the piers there too with new girders. Basically new bridges.

At Roblin and the Perimeter the previous interchange had two bridges EB and WB. Under the old configuration there was a centre pier. The rehab fully removed one of the bridges including the centre pier and replaced it with a band new structure then did the same with the other side. The Perimeter flow area was also significantly expanded and could easily accommodate six through lanes of traffic now although the WB to NB flow is currently in a semi-obstructed location and adding an additional lane would make that situation worse without an extended acceleration lane and later merge spot.

[Kinguni]

Originally Posted by esquire

I find in the US it's pretty lax on urban interstates that are similar to the 401 in terms of size and volume. The only place I've driven over 200 kph is on interstates around Los Angeles (wide open 10 lane roads with no traffic, so very low risk) ... I'd probably be in jail if I attempted that on the Perimeter.

Your car would be impounded for sure. License suspended and a date with a judge.

I rarely drive over the speed limit, and seldom more than 10kph over. Except on the 401. On the 401 I go with the second lane flow.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by WildCake

Let's be realistic, the interchange won't be built until centreport is grown into the area and the intersection is beyond safe with semi traffic

Since the focus is on the South Perimeter and it will probably takes decades. It's a safe bet there won't be anything done there for some time.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Sometime in the last couple years a group of people did the speed limit on the 401 across all lanes. It backed up traffic forever and caused big delays. It was to prove a point that going 100 is not adequate to maintain good traffic flow, due to vehicle volume.

Don't get the artificially low traffic speed limits in Canada considering the geography, vehicles, quality of roads etc. anywhere in EU it's 120, 130 and unlimited with no more accidents than here where our speed limits seem to be curbed at 100 mostly!

[Riverman]

I have driven on the Autobahns many times and they are far less nerve wracking than the 401. On my honeymoon we drove a Merc 190 from Innsbruck to Salzberg and back, flat out the whole way. That was fun.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

Don't get the artificially low traffic speed limits in Canada considering the geography, vehicles, quality of roads etc. anywhere in EU it's 120, 130 and unlimited with no more accidents than here where our speed limits seem to be curbed at 100 mostly!

The lack of grade separations and proper infrastructure make anything over 100 a dicey proposition, in Manitoba at least.

In Europe, you drive a tractor on an A series highway, you get a ticket. Here, you can take your combine and putt along the Trans Canada and it's no problem at all.

Or, for example, last night I drove down the EB Perimeter. At St. Mary's Road, there were so many cars lined up to turn left that they were clogging the passing lane... that kind of thing is incompatible with a 120 limit.

[ywgwalk]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

Don't get the artificially low traffic speed limits in Canada considering the geography, vehicles, quality of roads etc. anywhere in EU it's 120, 130 and unlimited with no more accidents than here where our speed limits seem to be curbed at 100 mostly!

https://theprovince.com/opinion/op-e...highway-safety

In 2014, after a strange consultation process, former transportation and infrastructure minister Todd Stone approved increased speed limits on many rural highways in B.C. Recently, the third independent study to document significant increases in deaths and serious injuries on these routes was published. Ironically, the reason originally given for increased speed limits was increased safety. How did this come to pass and what should we do about this unfortunate outcome?

[Dengler Avenue]

Perhaps it takes a premier (if transportation minister isn’t enough) that had lived in southern Ontario for quite some time to modernize TCH, Perimeter and 75.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Perhaps it takes a premier (if transportation minister isn’t enough) that had lived in southern Ontario for quite some time to modernize TCH, Perimeter and 75.

It's not that cabinet ministers don't know that better highway standards exist, it's a question of dollars and cents.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by esquire

The lack of grade separations and proper infrastructure make anything over 100 a dicey proposition, in Manitoba at least.

In Europe, you drive a tractor on an A series highway, you get a ticket. Here, you can take your combine and putt along the Trans Canada and it's no problem at all.

Or, for example, last night I drove down the EB Perimeter. At St. Mary's Road, there were so many cars lined up to turn left that they were clogging the passing lane... that kind of thing is incompatible with a 120 limit.

That's how people get killed. Ridiculous and super dangerous. Like you're sitting there in a travel lane as cars are approaching at 100kmh..

[bomberjet]

We know how to build highways properly. Just need the political will to get it done. Money can be found.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

That's how people get killed. Ridiculous and super dangerous. Like you're sitting there in a travel lane as cars are approaching at 100kmh..

That's literally what was happening. Fair enough if there's no money for an interchange but for heaven's sake at least make the turn lane big enough so you don't have left-turning cars at a dead stop in the passing lane of the Trans Canada Highway. It's absurd.

[Dengler Avenue]

I think I know the solution: federal money.
Have the liberals ever funded any of MB’s highway projects?

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

We know how to build highways properly. Just need the political will to get it done. Money can be found.

Of course it can. The completion of the Perimeter to a fully limited-access highway needs to be treated as the number 1 priority for Manitoba highways, followed by necessary improvements to 75, 1 and 59.

Can you imagine if Winnipeg a century ago had the "can't do" politicians we have today? We'd still be drinking smelly and potentially harmful well water (not that there isn't increasing frequency of brown water in recent years, but that is due to the distribution system, not the source).

[bomberjet]

^ Ya. We'd be even worse off.

The huge brown water issue from a few years ago was due to issues at the water treatment plant. Most brown water now if from construction or pipe breaks.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by esquire

The lack of grade separations and proper infrastructure make anything over 100 a dicey proposition, in Manitoba at least.

In Europe, you drive a tractor on an A series highway, you get a ticket. Here, you can take your combine and putt along the Trans Canada and it's no problem at all.

Or, for example, last night I drove down the EB Perimeter. At St. Mary's Road, there were so many cars lined up to turn left that they were clogging the passing lane... that kind of thing is incompatible with a 120 limit.

Believe me I’ve driven in the EU, UK and ROI and some of the roadways with 100K speed limits would be 60, 70, 80 here. Obviously you couldn’t have the speed limit any higher than 100 on the perimeter here because of the piss poor design and the high number of stupid drivers but no way the major Manitoba roads can’t be 110 and 120 on the divided roadways.