Perimeter Highway | Winnipeg

[Biff]

Using something like a traffic circle with Hwy 1 -> H Bypass being the straight through artery would work. Portage and Hwy 26 are less important and don't need to be accessed with any speed.

[Dengler Avenue]

From the looks of the picture, it seems to require expropriating a lot of properties, though. Also you need to keep in mind that Assiniboine River’s nearby.

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

^And when it's built, it will be built with loops and/or bridges.

No, there is no bridge/loop/whatever for NB to WB and EB to NB traffic.

NB to EB -- rail bridge + ramp
SB to WB -- partial ramp, road not open
SB to EB -- bridge over CCW + ramp
EB to SB -- rail bridge (unused) and ramp onto Perimeter built
WB to NB -- ramp
WB to SB -- ramp + bridge over CCW - merges before the rail bridge

EB to NB -- left turn across traffic onto the WB to NB ramp
NB to WB -- use the EB rail bridge then left turn across EB CCW traffic

[esquire]

Originally Posted by optimusREIM

Highway 26 is gonna be a mess to deal with. Otherwise the whole thing would really be quite simple

It is funny that the Headingley Bypass will apparently connect with the TCH at what has to be the most awkward possible spot with the river, PTH and numerous secondary roads to contend with.

[Biff]

It won't connect right at that point. It would be further east where there is more room. Hwy 26 would be extended to meet the grade separation at a suitable point.

I posted the picture of the grade separated traffic circle to be taken with a grain of salt. It doesn't need to be that large. It would be sized appropriately and there is lots of space in the area.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by CoryB

No, there is no bridge/loop/whatever for NB to WB and EB to NB traffic.

NB to EB -- rail bridge + ramp
SB to WB -- partial ramp, road not open
SB to EB -- bridge over CCW + ramp
EB to SB -- rail bridge (unused) and ramp onto Perimeter built
WB to NB -- ramp
WB to SB -- ramp + bridge over CCW - merges before the rail bridge

EB to NB -- left turn across traffic onto the WB to NB ramp
NB to WB -- use the EB rail bridge then left turn across EB CCW traffic

That's what I'm trying to say. There is nothing now, but there will be when the bypass goes ahead. They didn't build that stuff because it is/was unknown exactly what they'd go with. Or if it'd ever go ahead.

It would look like this. With either two loops, or the one loop and the fly-over. The did build the 4th bridge for WB to SB, which is currently sitting there unused (just off the bottom of image). They had to build that bridge because of constraints with construction.

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by CoryB

No, there is no bridge/loop/whatever for NB to WB and EB to NB traffic.

NB to EB -- rail bridge + ramp
SB to WB -- partial ramp, road not open
SB to EB -- bridge over CCW + ramp
EB to SB -- rail bridge (unused) and ramp onto Perimeter built
WB to NB -- ramp
WB to SB -- ramp + bridge over CCW - merges before the rail bridge

EB to NB -- left turn across traffic onto the WB to NB ramp
NB to WB -- use the EB rail bridge then left turn across EB CCW traffic

There will be. The interchange isn't complete. It will be completed (appropriate ramps and loops) with the headingley bypass. The left turns across traffic exist because thereis virtually no one that will do those movements. (EB to NB and NB to WB)

It would have been stupid of the province to have built the loops or ramps to nowhere and have to maintain them as the headingley bypass was not confirmed, particularly bridge maintenance. We can seethat 5+ years have gone by since the ccw was built and with no bypass in sight.

They got the earthwork done for SB to WB and EB to SB, so the fact that no earthwork is set for NB to WB and EB to NB is telling that one of those movements will probably be a high speed ramp

[bomberjet]

There was a study done showing how CCW extensions connects to #1. I can't find any good PDF's showing the options or what was the recommended design.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

There was a study done showing how CCW extensions connects to #1. I can't find any good PDF's showing the options or what was the recommended design.

See #1855.

[bomberjet]

That's just the basic route. There were open houses where 3 options were presented. Showed how the various roads would connect to an interchange at the whiter horse.

There are some images online from news articles that show bits and pieces. But I cant find the actual open house boards anywhere. Guaranteed there posted somewhere on SSP.

[Biff]

My rough thoughts

[bomberjet]

From my internet searchings for the open house boards, apparently St Francois Xavier doesn't want Hwy 26 to be realigned because "it will divide the community". What those few houses who are already marooned next to the highway? It'll be safer for your community, so I don't see the problem. The RM has a total of 1400 people or something like that. With maybe 20-30 of them living in that location.

Whatever's on the south side of #1 there can be routed via service road to the old #1.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

From my internet searchings for the open house boards, apparently St Francois Xavier doesn't want Hwy 26 to be realigned because "it will divide the community". What those few houses who are already marooned next to the highway? It'll be safer for your community, so I don't see the problem. The RM has a total of 1400 people or something like that. With maybe 20-30 of them living in that location.

Whatever's on the south side of #1 there can be routed via service road to the old #1.

Edit: My words are too harsh.

[cammy85]

Ah, now that's a neat idea. I don't get to Winnipeg often, but I noticed that PR 334 south coming from Roblin Blvd W now ends at the Trans-Canada/Portage Ave W instead of heading north on Dodds Road. Also, I see how Saskatchewan Avenue W is going to be rerouted as well.

[Glenn99]

Originally Posted by Biff

I also drove through the new circle last night. Seemed fine and moved traffic really well. I would have liked to sit nearby and watch an 18 wheeler go through though. It seemed much too tight for a 53ft trailer.

I saw 2 big rigs go through. They seemed to handle it no problem.

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by Glenn99

I saw 2 big rigs go through. They seemed to handle it no problem.

For a while I worked in bridgwater when everything was under construction. The roundabouts there handled 53 ft trailers no problem too. And I presume they're smaller

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by optimusREIM

For a while I worked in bridgwater when everything was under construction. The roundabouts there handled 53 ft trailers no problem too. And I presume they're smaller

Spent two weeks in Ireland back in Sept., want to see a place where they have roundabouts figured out and roundabout just about every where two roads meet...

North America is so far behind Europe in highway design and what works.

[plrh]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

Spent two weeks in Ireland back in Sept., want to see a place where they have roundabouts figured out and roundabout just about every where two roads meet...

North America is so far behind Europe in highway design and what works.

And Manitoba is so far behind North America.

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

Spent two weeks in Ireland back in Sept., want to see a place where they have roundabouts figured out and roundabout just about every where two roads meet...

North America is so far behind Europe in highway design and what works.

I've also spent a decent amount of time in Ireland and a year in Germany. Its laughable what we think is adequate as far as road design is concerned. The other thing is they're able to wedge a freeway into just about any conceivable space and not destroy the urban fabric. We should look to Europe for inspiration to fix our road network.

[Dengler Avenue]

It’s also noteworthy though that their freeways rarely have left shoulders.
Or are Ontario freeways the only ones that do (and not at of them)...