NEW YORK | 655 Madison Ave | 1,162 FT | 74 FLOORS

[Doubleu1117]

Extell is juggernaut right now. Crazy they could have 3 supertalls (maybe 4?) rising at the same time with 655, ABC, and Wellington site. (assuming Torch completes before these 3 are going?)

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Doubleu1117

Extell is juggernaut right now. Crazy they could have 3 supertalls (maybe 4?) raising at the same time with 655, ABC, and Wellington site. (assuming Torch completes before these 3 are going?)

They would all be in some phase of construction at some point (demo/foundation/structure). And Extell would no doubt be busy working on the next project, if they aren't already.

[mrnyc]

most times they are chopping down height what a crazy thing to double it.

yeah more of that please.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

most times they are chopping down height what a crazy thing to double it.

yeah more of that please.

That's what a nearly doubled footprint will do for you.

[DCReid]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

most times they are chopping down height what a crazy thing to double it.

yeah more of that please.

Yes, last time I can think of was 111 W 57th Street. I recall that the original proposal was about 600-700 feet.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by DCReid

Yes, last time I can think of was 111 W 57th Street. I recall that the original proposal was about 600-700 feet.

It happens a lot. Central Park Tower wasn't even a supertall, then it was 1,250 ft, then it was what it is today. 30 Hudson was going to be a supertall via a spire. One57, once known as Carnegie57 wasn't a supertall either. 520 Fifth wasn't going to be a supertall building. Everything evolves, given enough air rights (or depending on the developer). Still, it's not all about the height for these developers, but rather what they are building. Extell needs the bulk of the extra space to be distributed to the lower floors. The office component there may be spoken for, but whatever the case, it's what the developer is building. But if not for the expanded footprint, we'd be getting a much shorter tower.

[ChiND]

It will be interesting to see what happens with Bravo’s lawsuit.

[The New York Lion]

Incredible news.

[NYguy]

Gary Barnett is a master of getting shit done.

[Hudson11]

I wonder if this means LVMH is closing in on 745 Fifth and is going to supersize their own tower. There were reports the two companies were bidding for ownership of the other tower, and that curious rendering that appeared on the internet.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Hudson11

I wonder if this means LVMH is closing in on 745 Fifth and is going to supersize their own tower. There were reports the two companies were bidding for ownership of the other tower, and that curious rendering that appeared on the internet.

Probably not, with the current tower sailing through approvals, but you never know.

[ChiND]

Doesn't Beyer Blinder usually incorporate stone facades on residential towers? While I'm not expecting a Stern-caliber tower here, I'd much rather have something like The Kent with a brick facade and classic, windows with grids than a simple glass box.

Maybe there will even be some semblance of a crown like on The Kent.


BBB

Gary Barnett bags $1B+ loan for 655 Madison
Project involves rezoning for 765K sf, reaching 1,162 feet with 154 units


https://therealdeal.com/new-york/202...r-655-madison/

[NYguy]

The office and retail component lends itself to glass.






The drawing itself shows a glass tower.

[ChiND]

You’re right. This is likely going to be a very bland box. I wish it were a lot shorter.

I vastly prefer Stern’s 350 foot jewel at 800 Fifth over Extell’s 1,150 foot banal, glass box which is likely to rise on Madison. Then again, to each his own.

I dread the prospect of two boring, very tall Extell boxes on the UES and UWS.

Gary should emulate Naftali. Their projects are like suits from J.C. Penny and Brooks Brothers, respectively.

[Crawford]

I don't think the architects have ever done a glass box. They're known for doing ultra-contextual retro historicist designs. Just look at their most recent towers on the UES.

[mrnyc]

its fun to make design assumptions based on massings.

not that it usually works out, but its fun.

[ChiND]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

its fun to make design assumptions based on massings.

not that it usually works out, but its fun.

The massing diagrams usually reveal a building's basic shape. This is clearly a box.

[The New York Lion]

Originally Posted by ChiND

The massing diagrams usually reveal a building's basic shape. This is clearly a box.

With any luck, this could be a 1,200- version of The Kent, which could be a stunning tower found nowhere else on Earth.

[ChiND]

Originally Posted by The New York Lion

With any luck, this could be a 1,200- version of The Kent, which could be a stunning tower found nowhere else on Earth.

That's what I was hoping because BBB buildings usually have nice facades, but NYGuy correctly pointed out that the first ten floors or so are office space, which usually entails a glass facade. If it were like a 1,150 foot Kent, it would be quite nice.

[The New York Lion]

Originally Posted by ChiND

That's what I was hoping because BBB buildings usually have nice facades, but NYGuy correctly pointed out that the first ten floors or so are office space, which usually entails a glass facade. If it were like a 1,150 foot Kent, it would be quite nice.

That's a good point.

Let's just hope for the best.

If it's just a glass box, oh well. At least it will have height.

There will be plenty more opportunities as time marches on in The World Capital.