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Old Posted Jun 7, 2017, 2:55 AM
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Here's another version of the render I've been working on that shows the Independent, Austin Proper, and Third + Shoal, this time with the Texas map in Butler Park in the foreground:


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Old Posted Jun 9, 2017, 7:48 PM
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You know, without Austin being the capital of Texas and if we didn't have UT and subsequently, West Campus, our skyline would be considerably smaller. It's amazing how much those two institutions add to our urban core. And it's not just that they add some bulk to the skyline, they helped drive development in the city because of their sphere of influence.


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Old Posted Jun 9, 2017, 8:00 PM
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Wow. Shows how much underutilized land is still left downtown, esp north of 7th St.
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Wow. Shows how much underutilized land is still left downtown, esp north of 7th St.
On the west side of downtown north of 7th, a lot of those parcels are historic houses that can't be demoed so don't expect much higher utilization of many of those parcels of land. Some will see high-rises, but I'd expect it will be sporadic.

On the east side of downtown north of 7th, a lot of those parcels are restricted by CVCs, so higher utilization may never happen. A few floors at most with maybe a slender point tower maxing out at 300 or 400 feet is most likely. The narrower the building, the less tall it can be because of requirements introduced after 9/11 for the number of stairwells in buildings over 400'. Generally, apart from the Brackenridge redevelopment area and neighboring parcels, north of 7th on the east side is likely to stay relatively "low" in height.

I've said this before, but downtown is rapidly becoming maxed out in easily developable land. Much of it is protected in some fashion or has been developed in the last 20 years or was a previous major high-rise that won't be demoed. Ergo, height is either going to expand eastward out of downtown and/or we're going to see more and more height and intensity at the Domain. I think the neighborhoods east of downtown know this, and they're deliberately fighting the taller developments so that their neighborhoods don't become the next Rainey Street.

After the 183 expressway is finished, I totally expect to start seeing denser urban development at the 183/7th/5th/Cesar Chavez/Springdale/river "triangle". Those will instantly become some easily accessible parcels of land for 4-5 story offices and mixed used.

That, and this also shows how underutilized the Statesman site is and south of the river generally.

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Wow. Shows how much underutilized land is still left downtown, esp north of 7th St.
I was just thinking that. For all the development that's happened, there's still much more that can be done. Not to mention the south shore redevelopment that's about to boom in the next 5-10 years.
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2017, 9:48 PM
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The narrower the building, the less tall it can be because of requirements introduced after 9/11 for the number of stairwells in buildings over 400'.
I haven't read up on that requirement to know the details, but I wonder how New York is getting around that right now. They are building some stupid tall and slender towers all over Manhattan and even in Brooklyn now. New York may end up looking like Coruscant (from Star Wars).

On the 183 direction, I think eventually we'll see even taller buildings than 4 or 5 floors. I've always thought Riverside area was prime for towers up to 30 floors going all the way to 183 as long as the FAA allows it because of the proximity to the airport. Think about Chicago's Gold Coast, even if on a smaller scale. Also a lot of the land around 7th Street in the area you mentioned is light commercial even almost industrial and doesn't really add much to the neighborhood. I've always assumed that area would upzone. I would imagine, too, that the big apartment complexes between Oltorf and Riverside and Pleasant Valley area would eventually upzone as well. There's already some density there with all rental units and few or no single family neighborhoods to likely complain. That whole area could end up being the next West Campus eventually.
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I haven't read up on that requirement to know the details, but I wonder how New York is getting around that right now. They are building some stupid tall and slender towers all over Manhattan and even in Brooklyn now. New York may end up looking like Coruscant (from Star Wars).

On the 183 direction, I think eventually we'll see even taller buildings than 4 or 5 floors. I've always thought Riverside area was prime for towers up to 30 floors going all the way to 183 as long as the FAA allows it because of the proximity to the airport. Think about Chicago's Gold Coast, even if on a smaller scale. Also a lot of the land around 7th Street in the area you mentioned is light commercial even almost industrial and doesn't really add much to the neighborhood. I've always assumed that area would upzone. I would imagine, too, that the big apartment complexes between Oltorf and Riverside and Pleasant Valley area would eventually upzone as well. There's already some density there with all rental units and few or no single family neighborhoods to likely complain. That whole area could end up being the next West Campus eventually.
Agreed, but I don't think 30 stories. 10-15 is probably the realistic max everywhere outside of Downtown and the Domain.
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I agree that UT and the State Buildings are major reasons why Austin's skyline is what it is today and growing. Plus it pulls the DT northward. I'm going to admit Austin has the potential of being one of the nicest skylines in the US. But land hogging buildings like 5th and Colorado suck the height potential out of city blocks that if left to continue will prevent us from being one of the most awesome skylines. From the photos, its obvious that a 40 - 50 story building in that spot would have added greatly to the skyline. What a waste of space...
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Agreed, but I don't think 30 stories. 10-15 is probably the realistic max everywhere outside of Downtown and the Domain.
I would agree especially for the near term. I wonder if that will change as these areas get maxed out and others buildings are able to be demolished and replaced, etc. For instance, the Mopac/45 area has TONS of open land right now, most of which is ranch land. However, that would be another good location for a larger district. I could see more changes to 183/45 as well. I'm not saying these things will happen any time soon by any means, but it could at some point in the future as the metro grows.

I agree that Riverside and the other place you mentioned, wwmiv, will probably happen as well.
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I would like to see an updated pic from this view.

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i would like to see an updated pic from this view.
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This is the most updated 'X' I could find. Its on a pedestal.
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On the west side of downtown north of 7th, a lot of those parcels are historic houses that can't be demoed so don't expect much higher utilization of many of those parcels of land. Some will see high-rises, but I'd expect it will be sporadic.

On the east side of downtown north of 7th, a lot of those parcels are restricted by CVCs, so higher utilization may never happen. A few floors at most with maybe a slender point tower maxing out at 300 or 400 feet is most likely. The narrower the building, the less tall it can be because of requirements introduced after 9/11 for the number of stairwells in buildings over 400'. Generally, apart from the Brackenridge redevelopment area and neighboring parcels, north of 7th on the east side is likely to stay relatively "low" in height.

I've said this before, but downtown is rapidly becoming maxed out in easily developable land. Much of it is protected in some fashion or has been developed in the last 20 years or was a previous major high-rise that won't be demoed. Ergo, height is either going to expand eastward out of downtown and/or we're going to see more and more height and intensity at the Domain. I think the neighborhoods east of downtown know this, and they're deliberately fighting the taller developments so that their neighborhoods don't become the next Rainey Street.

After the 183 expressway is finished, I totally expect to start seeing denser urban development at the 183/7th/5th/Cesar Chavez/Springdale/river "triangle". Those will instantly become some easily accessible parcels of land for 4-5 story offices and mixed used.

That, and this also shows how underutilized the Statesman site is and south of the river generally.
The Statesman site and whole south shore area is where I think the next good opportunity for height will be. With the whole south shore initiative idea, and also some existing taller buildings down there like One TX Center and the taller hotels, I think it could become a new little skyscraper district just south of downtown once development starts booming in that area.
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The Statesman site and whole south shore area is where I think the next good opportunity for height will be. With the whole south shore initiative idea, and also some existing taller buildings down there like One TX Center and the taller hotels, I think it could become a new little skyscraper district just south of downtown once development starts booming in that area.
I agree with this. So much un-dense land, right on the river.

How limited is South Shore in height? I assume it is, but can't remember us discussing it . . . .
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So it took longer than I said it would but here are a few pics that I took on the 4th of July.















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Old Posted Jul 19, 2017, 2:50 AM
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I found this night aerial video that I'm sure yall would enjoy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1vckJ25RTs

The video is by John Nelson
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Pano from this afternoon.

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Anyone know where this is? That view is nuts.


https://www.facebook.com/70597472941...type=3&theater

This is from a different spot, I think, but the view is just as good.


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I just did a google earth check, and I'm super confident that this is taken from Albert H. Ullrich water treatment plant

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.2899.../data=!3m1!1e3
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