Scottsdale & Paradise Valley Development News

[YourBuddy]

Old Town could attract all these dense projects, there is just an activated vocal group of nimbys who pretty much go unopposed in their no growth propaganda. They literally would oppose any of the attractive housing developments if they were being proposed today. Optima, Safari, Waterfront all of them would have been opposed and the Old Town area wouldn’t be as attractive of a place to live. Every time I take a friend to Old Town for the first time they are always saying how beautiful these buildings are, and if these nimbys were in charge they would be empty lots or something like a mattress firm.

[biggus diggus]

Like I said they don't want what you guys think they should want.

[YourBuddy]

Originally Posted by biggus diggus

Like I said they don't want what you guys think they should want.

I still think they are in the minority, but just loud, obnoxious, and dumb.

[ASUSunDevil]

Originally Posted by biggus diggus

Respectfully disagree.

All that's happening here is the City of Scottsdale doesn't want what you think they would want. The city was built on low-density. The Waterfront condos are already more than they want.

Wait until Kierland gets a few more killer projects - the City of Scottsdale eventually is going to realize how far behind the 8 ball they've been. Old Town Scottsdale is going to explode with development, it's a matter of when not if.

[biggus diggus]

Originally Posted by YourBuddy

I still think they are in the minority, but just loud, obnoxious, and dumb.

The city council is in the minority?

and to Asusundevil not every city wants a high rise to be built. Beverly Hills is adjacent many high rises in Century City yet BH will never approve one.

[YourBuddy]

Originally Posted by biggus diggus

The city council is in the minority?

and to Asusundevil not every city wants a high rise to be built. Beverly Hills is adjacent many high rises in Century City yet BH will never approve one.

Yes. Most people don’t care about city council, especially planning and zoning, so when these nimbys run their propaganda it is easy to fool people into voting for dumb politicians. There seems to be two people with more than half of a brain on city council though. So there is some hope.

[YourBuddy]

I’d personally like to see Scottsdale split up. Let Old Town residents vote for the type of planning they would like where they live. Let the Suburban nimbys stay in their neighborhoods wthere aren’t any 150’ skyscrapers, traffic or the lack of parking they seem to care about.

[CrestedSaguaro]

Originally Posted by biggus diggus

The city council is in the minority?

and to Asusundevil not every city wants a high rise to be built. Beverly Hills is adjacent many high rises in Century City yet BH will never approve one.

Beverly Hills has many buildings within city limits that are between 10-14 stories tall with the tallest being the 182' Wells Fargo building and the most recent being the Waldorf completed around 2017. I believe ASU is referring to buildings getting built around this height range, not 300'+ towers.

[ASUSunDevil]

Originally Posted by CrestedSaguaro

Beverly Hills has many buildings within city limits that are between 10-14 stories tall with the tallest being the 182' Wells Fargo building and the most recent being the Waldorf completed around 2017. I believe ASU is referring to buildings getting built around this height range, not 300'+ towers.

Yep, and when Kierland runs out of mid-rise zoned lots in the near future - the wave of these developments will head to Old Town Scottsdale.

[biggus diggus]

Originally Posted by CrestedSaguaro

Beverly Hills has many buildings within city limits that are between 10-14 stories tall with the tallest being the 182' Wells Fargo building and the most recent being the Waldorf completed around 2017. I believe ASU is referring to buildings getting built around this height range, not 300'+ towers.

Holy pedantic.

You're right, the buildings in BH are taller than the buildings in Scottsdale but also the buildings in Century City are taller than the buildings in Phoenix - it's just a larger scale. I wasn't comparing the exact building heights, rather I'm saying that Beverly Hills doesn't want high rises in the city and Scottsdale is FAR FROM the first city that values lower density development.

This isn't Sim City where you 'win' the game by seeing how densely you can build.

[combusean]

^ All of the major kierland developments are in Phoenix. They're not going to just go to Scottsdale where it's much harder to build anything.

[Obadno]

This is correct^ all the height of Kierland is being built in Phoenix, Scottsdale Quarter is as high as Scottsdale will ever go roughly 5/6 stories

[ASUSunDevil]

Not going to argue with you guys. I think that Kierland (Phoenix) will run out of buildable lots fronting Scottsdale Rd. and the attention will then turn towards a similar product near Old Town Scottsdale. It's not illegal to build 10 stories in Downtown Scottsdale, it just hasn't happened in awhile. We'll see what happens...

[xymox]

Originally Posted by combusean

^ All of the major kierland developments are in Phoenix. They're not going to just go to Scottsdale where it's much harder to build anything.

There is the CrackerJax site that is supposed to have 140ft tall buildings fronting Scottsdale Rd. I think the issue on the Scottsdale side has mostly to do with available land and proximity to the airport runway. The closer you get to Thunderbird, the lower the building will need to be.

I do think that development will continue north of Bell on Scottsdale Rd all the way up to and slightly north of the 101 as well. Old Town is going to continually face these NIMBYs until they give up and move or ultimately die out (most seem to be boomers that moved here in the 70s/80s). Eventually Old Town will go vertical - but that may be 10 years off or more.

[Mr.RE]

Scottsdale is in process of trying to pass the new 2030 General Plan which intends to create "Character Areas" of town where you can allow for more urban environments with more height/density. Probably why we haven't seen much height is because they are operating under the 2001 General Plan. I've reviewed the new plan and areas such as Oldtown, Scottsdale Quarter/Promenade, The Airpark are all designated as high density, taller building areas.

[YourBuddy]

5 story proposal for Old Town empty lot, close to the Kimsey project.


https://youtu.be/CEQhuZImHRg

[YourBuddy]

Grant Cardone is opening a “West Coast” office at the corporate center north of Optima Camelview.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by YourBuddy

Grant Cardone is opening a “West Coast” office at the corporate center north of Optima Camelview.

whats that?

[YourBuddy]

Originally Posted by Obadno

whats that?

A very popular real estate investor personality on YT. I would guess he is expecting a lot of activity on the west coast. Good news for the Valley as well if they are making deals in Scottsdale.

[Obadno]

https://azbigmedia.com/lifestyle/mac...ashion-square/

Lifetime Building another large luxury Gym and pool fashion square.

Macerich, one of the nation’s leading owners, operators and developers of one-of-a-kind retail and mixed-use properties in top markets, and Life Time, the nation’s premier healthy lifestyle brand, today announced a new luxury athletic resort is planned for Scottsdale Fashion Square in Arizona.

Once completed in 2023, Life Time at Scottsdale Fashion Square will be the seventh Life Time in Arizona and the second to open with Macerich in the Phoenix metro area. Life Time at Biltmore Fashion Park opened its popular healthy lifestyle destination in March 2020.

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The 3-level, 40,000-square-foot Life Time will open adjacent to the entrance to the Luxury Wing, Scottsdale Fashion Square’s dedicated luxury enclave anchored by Neiman Marcus at the north end of the property, which now features Arizona’s only Dior, St. Laurent, Nobu, Bottega Veneta, Jimmy Choo and a wealth of other exclusive global brands.

“Life Time is an exceptional lifestyle brand that will be a wonderful complement to the retail, dining and entertainment experiences at Scottsdale Fashion Square, Arizona’s undisputed luxury powerhouse,” said Ed Coppola, President, Macerich. “As we continue to densify and diversify our top-performing properties with exciting new uses, including upscale health and wellness offerings, like Life Time, we continue to give more people more reasons to spend time at our regional town centers.”

The new Life Time at Scottsdale Fashion Square will feature an exciting variety of experiential elements, all related to health, exercise, wellness and community. Exclusive programming in dedicated studios for group fitness, cycle, yoga and small group training, a rooftop beach club and bar and other sought-after amenities will make the resort a must-go destination.

“We are excited to work with Macerich to bring our Life Time Athletic resort to Fashion Square and serve even more of the Phoenix area with the best wellness experiences and programming,” said Parham Javaheri, Chief Property Development Officer, Life Time. “We know from the success of Biltmore that people enjoy the high-end offerings that Life Time brings to Macerich’s retail and mixed-use locations and look forward to what’s ahead.”

Scottsdale Fashion Square is Macerich’s historically dominant, 1.9 million square-foot retail property with six anchors and more than 200 shops and restaurants. Future plans call for a mixed-use development of an adjacent 7-acre parcel north of the mall.