Stadiums & Arenas of Canada, Part 3

[osmo]

Originally Posted by elly63

See Ottawa and new Halifax stadium, that IS what they are doing.

Ottawa is the model, why can't Calgary follow?

Halifax is just hot air until a shovel is in the ground, let us be patient with that one for now.

[Coldrsx]

Stadiums, who needs stadiums! LRT construction closes a road Downtown, hockey breaks out.


www.twitter.com/mikemckinnon

[Berklon]

If teams want taxpayers to pay for a new arena/stadium, then the agreement has to be something like this:

- the city gets a healthy lease agreement with the franchise. No subsidising the franchise.
- the city gets 100% revenue from naming rights to their venue
- the city gets 100% revenue from concerts and other non-team related revenue
- the city gets 25% revenue from concessions during the teams games
- the city/taxpayers get free access to the venue for organised amateur leagues

They really can't complain about that - they've got their new arena/stadium and can charge their fans more for tickets.

[Oilkountry]

Originally Posted by Berklon

If teams want taxpayers to pay for a new arena/stadium, then the agreement has to be something like this:

- the city gets a healthy lease agreement with the franchise. No subsidising the franchise.
- the city gets 100% revenue from naming rights to their venue
- the city gets 100% revenue from concerts and other non-team related revenue
- the city gets 25% revenue from concessions during the teams games
- the city/taxpayers get free access to the venue for organised amateur leagues

They really can't complain about that - they've got their new arena/stadium and can charge their fans more for tickets.

Sounds a lot like what the oilers had in rexall.

Northlands kept consession and parking for Oilers games and had all rights to concerts and non hockey related events, and in return the Oilers paid $1 a year rent but got to keep all gate revenue for Oilers games.

I can see why katz wasn't so eager to let Northlands into the new Arena deal

[Coldrsx]

^good luck with that.

[blueandgoldguy]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

^good luck with that.

Just because Edmonton got bent over for concessions doesn't mean other cities like Calgary have to as well.

[Coldrsx]

A timely update on our CRL...

'The downtown levy is the city’s most recent and best performing development play. City officials already approved spending $487 million on Rogers Place, a new park and drainage upgrades. They estimate private projects complete or under construction since 2015 are worth $4 billion.'

http://edmontonjournal.com/news/loca...f-the-quarters

[speedog]

Comparing the metro areas of Calgary and Edmonton, I sometimes wonder what Calgary has that is considerably better than what one might find in Edmonton because it's readily apparent that Edmonton is miles ahead in sporting facilities what with Rogers Place, Commonwealth stadium and the Butterdome.

I suppose our LRT network is much more expansive but that could be in part due to the make up of the two metro areas with Calgary essentially being a unicity while Edmonton is not. I guess Calgary does have Canada Olympic Park but even many of the facilities there are now quite outdated and not up to expected international standards any more.

So where has Calgary been spending their monies because they're getting spent somewhere, just not on sporting facilities or so it would appear.

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

A timely update on our CRL...

'The downtown levy is the city’s most recent and best performing development play. City officials already approved spending $487 million on Rogers Place, a new park and drainage upgrades. They estimate private projects complete or under construction since 2015 are worth $4 billion.'

http://edmontonjournal.com/news/loca...f-the-quarters

$4 Billion now all attributed to dumping $500 million into a stadium. Cold, you don't even spin things that far. Are people really that gullible?

[sdimedru]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

$4 Billion now all attributed to dumping $500 million into a stadium. Cold, you don't even spin things that far. Are people really that gullible?

All? No... do you have figures to share with us of what projects are/aren’t as a result of the arena development?

[ivegotaname]

Skating rinks are vital to our country but hockey is not and that's all I have to say on this topic

many people in small towns and villages in my province all meet at the rink each and every year not just to play hockey but to socialize and make friends. We need newer and better skating rinks

[elly63]

Originally Posted by ivegotaname

Skating rinks are vital to our country but hockey is not

New to this country?

[Dalreg]

Originally Posted by ivegotaname

Skating rinks are vital to our country but hockey is not and that's all I have to say on this topic

many people in small towns and villages in my province all meet at the rink each and every year not just to play hockey but to socialize and make friends. We need newer and better skating rinks

Why are skating rinks vital? You can go skate outdoors on a lake or river to socialize.....

[FrankieFlowerpot]

https://www.cp24.com/news/tory-suppo...-cup-1.3769766

Mayor John Tory says he is throwing his support behind a bid to co-host the 2026 FIFA World Cup.

A staff report, which will be discussed by the city's executive committee at a meeting later this week, recommends that city council ask the federal and provincial government to agree to provide financial support to Toronto to host the international sporting competition.

The report says national soccer associations in Canada, the U.S., and Mexico are leading a joint bid to host the World Cup in North American cities.

“Canada would automatically qualify for the tournament by virtue of being a host nation. Based on current discussions, Canada and Mexico would host 10 games each, with the remainder being played in the United States. The only other country bidding to host the Cup is Morocco,” the staff report read.

“Toronto has been named as one of four Canadian host city candidates, along with Vancouver, Edmonton and Montreal. 28 other candidate cities in Mexico and the United States are also being considered. It is anticipated that Toronto would host 3-5 games if the bid is successful, and if Toronto is selected by United Bid Committee and Fédération Internationale de Football Association as a host city.”

According to the staff report, the host nation will be named in June 2018 and individual host cities will be chosen in 2021.

“Hosting the FIFA World Cup is a once in a generation opportunity to showcase Toronto to the world,” Mayor Tory said in a news release issued Monday.

“Coming off the success of the Pan Am/Parapan Am Games and the Invictus Games, it is clear that Toronto and Torontonians are ready to be one of the host cities for this iconic event.”

Exhibition Place’s BMO Field is being put forward as the stadium that would be used for the event and city staff says the price tag is estimated to be between $30 million to $45 million to co-host the competition.

The costs, according to staff, would be shared between the city and the provincial and federal governments.

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by FrankieFlowerpot

https://www.cp24.com/news/tory-suppo...-cup-1.3769766

This is slightly off-topic but I find it funny that they say Canada would automatically qualify. I find it hard to believe FIFA would allow Canada, US, and Mexico to automatically take up three spots at the World Cup and THEN allow the 3 additional North American (CONCACAF) teams to participate in the world cup. That would cut out other better teams from making it, especially given that only Mexico qualified for the 2018 competition in Russia

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by WildCake

This is slightly off-topic but I find it funny that they say Canada would automatically qualify. I find it hard to believe FIFA would allow Canada, US, and Mexico to automatically take up three spots at the World Cup and THEN allow the 3 additional North American (CONCACAF) teams to participate in the world cup. That would cut out other better teams from making it, especially given that only Mexico qualified for the 2018 competition in Russia

The field is being expanded from 32 to 48 for the 2026 World Cup - ~25% of FIFA countries will qualify.

Neither Canada qualifying automatically or not would surprise me at this point. I would rather Canada host a full tournament itself and qualify automatically than host a sliver of one and get in for free.

[HomeInMyShoes]

^At number 95 in the world, Canada is still outside being a deserving entrant in the tournament, but with 6 qualifiers from CONCACAF it starts to look reasonable and not out-of-the-ordinary to include Canada automatically.

The US, Mexico and Costa Rica are probably in no matter what and Canada needs to be in the top three from:

Panama, Jamaica, Honduras, Trinidad and Tobago, Curacao, Haiti, El Salvador, Canada, Nicaragua, Guatemala

To be one of the three from that group is fairly reasonable. Still sad that we have to talk about it, but that is the state of the men's Canadian team.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by HomeInMyShoes

^At number 95 in the world, Canada is still outside being a deserving entrant in the tournament, but with 6 qualifiers from CONCACAF it starts to look reasonable and not out-of-the-ordinary to include Canada automatically.

I would take the FIFA rankings with a dump truck of salt. They're not really representative of a country's ability, IMO.

Originally Posted by HomeInMyShoes

The US, Mexico and Costa Rica are probably in no matter what and Canada needs to be in the top three from:

Panama, Jamaica, Honduras, Trinidad and Tobago, Curacao, Haiti, El Salvador, Canada, Nicaragua, Guatemala

Indeed. Eventually we'll see a day where Canada can consistently compete with these countries. Some day. Eventually.

Originally Posted by HomeInMyShoes

To be one of the three from that group is fairly reasonable. Still sad that we have to talk about it, but that is the state of the men's Canadian team.

I think there's been improvement. I think we're closer to qualifying than 10 or 15 years ago. There are bright young stars coming up and we're doing a better job of developing homegrown players. I just wish FIFA hadn't expanded the tournament. 32 was a nice number and a good level of exclusivity.

[Wpg_Guy]

Michael Pratt‏ @MikePrattPhotos https://twitter.com/MikePrattPhotos · 20 Sep 2017
Bell MTS Place looking good with new lighting and signage.

[HomeInMyShoes]

^Very shiny. It strikes me as satirical with Rogers looming in the background with Bell/MTS in the foreground.