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Old Posted May 6, 2019, 7:41 AM
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They say near 1500ft so we can have a 1480ft height of this tower according To the newyorkyimby
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I'll go along with it that the top needs refinement, but I actually like the spires. The rest of the tower is actually really pretty interesting and I think the spires are appropriate for the design and proportions of the tower. The roof does need some more detail. At this point, I don't think the roof complements the rest of the building and is pretty boring by comparison. I think maybe some white lattice type members leading up from the roof above the glass facade to the top would add a little detail. They would also play off of the white trim on the tower's facade. They could also tie in with the spires somehow. I say somehow because I'm not an architect and I'm just making a suggestion. Overall, I really like this one a lot, and I hope they don't fiddle with the design too much.

I say keep the spires. A lot of the spindly supertalls that New York has been getting lately would be terrible candidates for spires since they are already very slender buildings. New York could use a few more "new spires" on the skyline on some of the new bulkier buildings to offset that trend.
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I think maybe some white lattice type members leading up from the roof above the glass facade to the top would add a little detail. They would also play off of the white trim on the tower's facade. They could also tie in with the spires somehow. I say somehow because I'm not an architect and I'm just making a suggestion. Overall, I really like this one a lot, and I hope they don't fiddle with the design too much.
Yeah, it doesn't need a lot of work, but something more relatable to the base....






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I say keep the spires. A lot of the spindly supertalls that New York has been getting lately would be terrible candidates for spires since they are already very slender buildings. New York could use a few more "new spires" on the skyline on some of the new bulkier buildings to offset that trend.
I don't like bulky towers with spires. I think the BofA is too bulky for it's spire, and was glad when they canceled that spire at 3 Hudson Blvd. I'm more of an old school spire, like the slender towers downtown. I think the spires fit here the same way they would have on 3 WTC.
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Well, I wasn't talking really bulky, I just meant not those pencil thin towers going up around Central Park. And I like that other New York tower you posted. I forget the name, but I like the design. I may be in the minority in liking that one, but it's one I was thinking of with my comment about tying in those vertical lines to the spires.

The design of this building also reminds me a little bit of the Shoreline Plaza Towers in Corpus Christi, Texas. Not everyone likes those buildings, but I have always loved their design. They were really cutting edge when they were built in 1988.
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Well, I wasn't talking really bulky, I just meant not those pencil thin towers going up around Central Park. And I like that other New York tower you posted. I forget the name, but I like the design. I may be in the minority in liking that one, but it's one I was thinking of with my comment about tying in those vertical lines to the spires.

The design of this building also reminds me a little bit of the Shoreline Plaza Towers in Corpus Christi, Texas. Not everyone likes those buildings, but I have always loved their design. They were really cutting edge when they were built in 1988.


I think with Foster doing 425 Park and 270 Park, if this tower does get built, it will be a redefining of the Park Avenue style. We will see what other architects are chosen to design the new towers that pop up in the area. Still a long way to getting this one built though.



https://www.crainsnewyork.com/real-e...r-midtown-east

Developers may be considering 1,450-foot office tower in Midtown East

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May 6, 2019


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Another office skyscraper may soon rise in the rezoned Midtown East.

Vornado Realty Trust and Rudin Management are considering building a 1,450-foot tower at 350 Park Ave., according to The Real Deal.

The New York Post reported in April that Vornado and Rudin were discussing a possible joint venture for a new office tower. The plan would build over part of a Vornado property at 350 Park Ave. and a Rudin building at 40 E. 52nd St., as described by the Post.

The tower is not official just yet. The Real Deal cited a source who said the brochure shows just one option the developers could pursue for the two sites.
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Should the developers move forward with the plans, their project would join a list of several new Midtown East office towers set to dot the city skyline. As documented in a Crain's report this week, the rezoning of Midtown East—one of the most tortured in city history—has already paved the way for towers such as the 77-story One Vanderbilt, a planned 70-story headquarters for JPMorgan Chase and a soaring tower that would replace the Grand Hyatt.

Developer Harry Macklowe is also assembling parcels to build a soaring tower. But not all developers are as eager to redevelop their Midtown East buildings. Tishman Speyer had been considering razing its 26-story office tower at 300 Park Ave. to build something bigger before abandoning those plans to keep anchor tenants Colgate-Palmolive, as Crain's reported Friday.


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Yeah, but let's just slow down a bit. They've got a few years to get tenants lined up to make this final, but I will say that if KPMG moves across the street, that would be enough to get the building going.
But that doesn't mean the building won't happen (with the current design) it just means we have to wait a bit. I really hope so because this thing is awesome
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Rudin is looking to free up some capital... the timing seems a bit coincidental.

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This is so weird... I thought this was 270 Park for sure. But it's not.

We never get spoiled with so many renderings like this.
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1st day that the news came out about this, about the new tower, I thought it was an error at first reading 350 Park. I'm like "350 Park.... huh".

... thinking it was for 270 Park. But son of a mother duck, it was legit!

Also something possibly to look forward too is 790 7th Avenue which may result in a 1,500' tower. Key word "may" but nevertheless, positive outlook. I'm hoping something happens with 80 South, that one could be taller than CPT if all goes well.
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Ugh.

Such a handsome tower.

And so well-suited to its little corner of the city. And it makes such a perfect match with the building to the rear--seeing them together makes me happy the same way I get happy when I see old married couples start to look like each other.

Ugh
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http://commercialobserver.com/2019/0...-hudson-yards/

Colliers’ Michael Cohen Talks About the Future of Midtown in the Age of Hudson Yards


BY REBECCA BAIRD-REMBA
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Most of the buildings you manage are in Midtown or Midtown South. There’s this kind of tension between the areas where Midtown South is getting more expensive and Midtown rents are starting to either decline or not grow at the same rate. What do you think the future holds for Midtown as a market?

If you were looking at a chart of Midtown, Midtown South and Downtown over the past 10 years, what you’d see is they all three peaked in ‘07 and took a nosedive in ‘08, ‘09. Midtown hasn’t yet retained its peak, whereas Midtown South and Downtown have both recovered past their peak. And the gap between Midtown and Midtown South is shrinking. Midtown is now like $6 [less per square foot]. It’s catching up. And we will also track the migration. Whereas Downtown and Midtown South have had a net increase in tenancy since the trough, O.K., let’s say 2010 or whenever that was, Midtown has had a net decrease to the tune of about 10 million square feet of tenancy.

Why do you think that is?

Traditionally, Midtown, Sixth Avenue and Midtown East was the market with the highest demand in Manhattan, right? That’s the core. But for the most part, due to outdated and anachronistic zoning, there was no ability to renew the building stock right in that part of town.

So, there were a couple of workarounds, right? [Like] 390 Madison and 425 Park. But L&L will tell you that having to retain the superstructure of the existing buildings was a huge pain in the ass. Then the city did this kind of spot zoning with SL Green [in the area around One Vanderbilt], which led to the Midtown East rezoning.

But along the way [that led] to a battle [with developer] Andrew Penson and Argent over the disposition of the air rights over Grand Central [which Penson’s Argent owned]. He made an investment in that, and he had a monopoly on air right sales. And then along came the city, which said, “Give me a subway; give me this; give me that.” So, while this is all being sorted out, the demand grew from the traditional Midtown core tenants, the FIRE sector, for new product. Well, I mean, that’s just natural; not every business wants to be in a building that was built 35 years ago, right?

Or 70 years ago.

We lived in a town where, by 2005, a new building was one that was built in 1987. That was almost 30 years old, and that was new, right? The development industry, hamstrung over here in the Midtown core, pioneered Hudson Yards. And it ate Midtown’s lunch.

And now, once the damage was done, the city fathers got their act together and said, “Well, maybe we should, you know, rezone this thing here called Midtown.” And let people tear down buildings. I mean, how stupid—you tear down for 425 Park, and you have to build a smaller building? On what planet does that make sense?

I personally believe that when you live or work in Midtown Manhattan, you have given up your right to sunsets and vistas. You have bought into this alternative reality that looks more like Shanghai and Hong Kong; you’re going to be living in it and working in a canyon of towers.

So, for me, for the city to be in the business of trading infrastructure for bulk is a perfect business. It’s the perfect way to help the infrastructure, keep up with the private industries’ redevelopment. Seems like it took forever for them to figure that all out.

My prediction is, well, the cow has left the barn, right? Hudson Yards is up and running. And there’ll be a lot more development over there. But at long last, Midtown will develop new buildings that can compete with Hudson Yards. And I think the balance will eventually shift back. It’s going to take some time.

Hudson Yards had first mover advantage in the 21st century. And Midtown paid a heavy price for, I think, some very poor decision-making.

I agree with all of this.
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I can’t wait for this masterpiece.
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This strikes me as a little similar, and in fact when I first saw it, I thought they were the same building...



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I'm always interested in how these things work at the street level. The new tower will be quite an improvement, and together with the other new towers along the Avenue, once again
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^For sure, it is an improvement. If this is also a Foster building like 270 maybe Foster realized that there is a benefit in providing a public space under a cantilever and it’s actually a good idea in practice rather than just something he was forced to do (as he was at 270 Park). Like a contemporary Lever House or Seagram.
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^For sure, it is an improvement. If this is also a Foster building like 270 maybe Foster realized that there is a benefit in providing a public space under a cantilever and it’s actually a good idea in practice rather than just something he was forced to do (as he was at 270 Park). Like a contemporary Lever House or Seagram.
More an issue of maximizing the floorplates of the lower floors. These new towers of sizeable lots will have to incorporate these plazas (Rudin's tower already has a plaza).


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The backside looks to be entirely blank elevator core... this one will be ugly as sin
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The backside looks to be entirely blank elevator core... this one will be ugly as sin
That’s a Foster trademark. The elevator banks are back there. If this were proposed for Chicago, there’d be a front-page story in the Trib. As with 2 WTC, every US city would love to have this.
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