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Old Posted Oct 11, 2012, 1:36 PM
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Hmm Lansdowne Park a new stadium and a possible casino. Gee I wonder if this could have happened with the West Harbour land.
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I'm pretty sure that Glebers or Glebites or whatever they call themselves won't stand for a casino at Landsdowne. They'd have a giant sh*t fit and expire right on the spot.

And, for the record, I'd hate to see a casino at WH. It's not accessible enough in the same way that a stadium would be problematic.

I'd be okay with a casino going downtown or, ideally, nowhere.
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Farr's telephone poll results:
443 respondents Margin of Error: 95% 19 out of 20

Q1: Do you support the opening of a casino in the City of Hamilton?

Yes: 240 (54.18%)
No: 154
Undecided: 49
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2012, 11:29 PM
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Of the 240 yes vote.....Support a downtown casino?


Yes: 188
No: 49
Undecided 29
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2012, 11:38 PM
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905 jobs from Brantford casino.
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Brantford received $48.7 million from 1999 to 2012. 5% from slot revenue. Brantford doesn't get any revenues from tables.
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That's only $4mil a year. We get 4.5 plus 800,000 in property taxes. Is Flamboro more successful than Brantford's Casino.?
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Brantford has around 500 slots and 50 tables, while Flamboro has around 800 slots and a racetrack, but Brantford appears to draw about 10% more patrons than Flamboro does. If Brantford's only getting slots revenue, they're evidently punching above their weight, despite lower net revenue to the municipality. Maybe synergy with the tables gives rise to an elevated eagerness to gamble, or maybe table players simply have more disposable income.

The OLG recorded 23,932,800 patrons across 23 sites during Fiscal 2010-11. 5,664,857 of those were at six OLG Casinos, and Brantford was the top performer, averaging around 3,800 patrons a day. Brantford is also one of a handful of Ontario casinos currently offering both slots and table games. That draw will soon be fairly commonplace, and I imagine that will impact revenues and foot traffic.

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56 per cent oppose Hamilton casino: Spec poll
(Hamilton Spectator, Steve Buist, Oct 20, 2012)

A sweeping new Spectator poll shows 56 per cent of respondents oppose a casino in Hamilton.

The telephone poll of 5,402 residents was conducted by The Spectator on Tuesday and Wednesday using an automated calling system. The poll results have a margin of error of plus or minus 1.33 per cent, 19 times out of 20. (See also: How we did it.)

A majority of respondents were against a Hamilton casino in each of the four broad geographic areas of the city surveyed — west Hamilton, the lower city, the upper city, and east Hamilton, including Stoney Creek.

In west Hamilton, which included Dundas, Ancaster and much of Waterdown, two out of three respondents were against the idea of a casino in Hamilton, the highest rate of opposition of the four areas.

Respondents in the upper city were the least likely to be opposed to a casino but still voted 51 per cent against the idea.
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Interesting majority of Inner city residents that supports a casino support a downtown casino.
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Glad you picked up on that - the minority of downtown residents who do favour of a casino, prefer a downtown one. The way it was worded I'm sure some inattentive readers inferred that a majority were in support of a casino.

I am leaning the other way - I would support a casino as long as it's anywhere but downtown.
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More foreshadowing from the capital.

Pleading helplessness, councillors agree to new slots deal with province
(Ottawa Citizen, David Reevely, Nov 14, 2012)

City councillors accepted a new deal with the Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corp. for a cut of the money from slot machines at the Rideau Carleton Raceway on Wednesday, after their chief lawyer told them they were in about as strong a negotiating position with the provincial agency as a child seeking a bigger allowance.

The OLG, which oversees public gambling for the provincial government (and whose chairman is Paul Godfrey, who’s also chief executive of the company that owns the Citizen), really wasn’t interested in anything the city government had to say about its offer, said city solicitor Rick O’Connor. Earlier drafts of the deal even had the City of Ottawa’s formal legal name wrong. “It was very difficult to get them to move even on that,” he said.

The agency is, mind you, handing the city roughly an extra $1.3 million a year from the slot machines it runs at the south Ottawa horse track, by changing the formula for revenue-sharing from a percentage of each individual machine’s take to a percentage of the take from the slot operation as a whole.

Under the old arrangement, which gave the city five per cent of the money from the racetrack’s first 450 slot machines and two per cent from the next 800 machines, the city got about $4.3 million last year. Under the new deal, the city gets a share of the cash the machines bring in: 5.25 per cent of the first $65 million, and a declining share after that, down to 0.5 per cent of any amount over $500 million.

By the calculation of city treasurer Marian Simulik, that should mean an increase to $5.6 million a year, starting in April. Still a tiny fraction of the slot machines’ roughly $140-million in receipts, but more money all the same.

The OLG offered Ottawa exactly the same deal as it did every other municipality in Ontario that has its slot machines, Simulik and O’Connor said. Ostensibly, it’s to compensate cities for things like the transportation infrastructure that slot operations need.
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someone should set up a Vote Hamilton Casino facebook page to see the reaction...quick, easy and no cost. Could work well.
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SJAM omen?


Nov 2, 2012


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That's Toronto casino proposal.
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Ahhh okay. Now that I look I can see SkyDome in the background.

It seems more and more likely that we are going to have to accept a casino downtown. If we have to have one, we should be pushing for a little extra; perhaps some sort of casino /Connaught combo.

I'm not thrilled about the whole thing but we need to leverage what we can out of this nonsense.
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That's Toronto casino proposal.

http://www.blogto.com/city/2012/11/c...no_renderings/
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Another OLG contractual tic:

Chatham-Kent council has approved an agreement with the Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corporation that will see the municipality receive a slightly larger share of slot revenue.

However, there were other aspects of the deal that some at the table had reservations about during Monday's meeting.

The municipality will now receive 5.25% instead of 5% of net revenue from the Dresden slots, but a clause states that OLG can decrease this.

Chatham-Kent also cannot sue under any circumstances, including for failure to pay.


Director of legal services John Norton said it was a "strange agreement," but agreed there wasn't much that could be done.

"I don't think we have any bargaining power to go back and change that," he said.
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Apparently at least one of the proposals is suppose to be revealed any day now. This one is for a downtown casino.
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Yesterday's casino sub committee was pretty interesting. They set up some conditions for staff to create. Some of them are:

Must include a hotel with a new casino
Must not interfere with HECFI operations
Casino part must not be central focus of the complex
Have public transit stop
Any casino location must go to an area that allows it with current zoning. Which means downtown, west Harbour and Flamborough.
Try to get some revenue from table games to mental health.
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Yesterday's casino sub committee was pretty interesting. They set up some conditions for staff to create. Some of them are:

Must include a hotel with a new casino
Must not interfere with HECFI operations
Casino part must not be central focus of the complex
Have public transit stop
Any casino location must go to an area that allows it with current zoning. Which means downtown, west Harbour and Flamborough.
Try to get some revenue from table games to mental health.
They can impose all the conditions they want, but they won't amount to anything when it comes to the lottery corporation. All the lottery corporation wants to know is yes or no. They will determine where the casino is built, who runs it and it's configuration. The province doesn't need the city's permission to build a casino here, it's just a courtesy.
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