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Pictures I took today in the mid-Market redevelopment area:

Van Ness at Fell
We can start calling it by its actual address (77 Van Ness):

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The Project (77 Van Ness) would construct an 8-story, approximately 100-foot tall building containing 50 dwelling units, approximately 19,550 square feet of office space, 1,350 square feet of ground floor commercial space, 3,400 square feet of rooftop open space for the residential units, at least 400 square feet of public open space in the lobby, and 58 parking spaces in a street-level parking garage.
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^ nice comparison of 301's beautiful glass and its neighbor
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If I recall correctly, there will be retail or restaurant on the ground floor and residential above. It's part of the Market-Octavia neighborhood plan. Shouldn't be more than four or five stories, I'd guess.

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Cassidy considers entitled site for Castro condos
Joe Cassidy is looking at buying 1844 Market St., Bayrock Realty's fully entitled 113-unit condominium project next to the San Francisco Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Community Center. The infill project, designed by Christiani Johnson Architects, calls for two eight-story midrises with an interior courtyard and a plunge pool with downtown views on a fifth floor terrace.
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Here's a very small rendering:


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Old Posted Jul 4, 2007, 3:49 AM
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^ nice comparison of 301's beautiful glass and its neighbor
I was thinking just the other day: "Blue must be the new brown". All the 60s/70s vintage highrises in SF have brownish glass. All the new ones blue or blue-green it seems. Maybe there's a reason other than taste, but I don't know what it is.
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^ yea. i think your right BT. that brown goes along with those avocado green carpets and other "stylish" colors they used back then. ill take the blue (which to me kinda makes the glass look a lot like water - "fresh" feeling) over the brown any day.
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I've never seen the rendering for 1844 Market before. Interesting.
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^ nice comparison of 301's beautiful glass and its neighbor
The next neighbor to the west, at Fremont and Mission, is far worse.
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^ yea. i think your right BT. that brown goes along with those avocado green carpets and other "stylish" colors they used back then. ill take the blue (which to me kinda makes the glass look a lot like water - "fresh" feeling) over the brown any day.
Isn't that the Bechtel building in that photo? Instead of brown, they should have made the glass BLOOD RED
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Isn't that the Bechtel building in that photo? Instead of brown, they should have made the glass BLOOD RED
The other even uglier tower is to which I referred previously was also brought to us by Bechtel. It's a totally void and vapid piece of "architecture" that's a disgrace to anyone who had anything to do with it.
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Fox Plaza to replace retail with condos

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San Francisco Business Times - July 6, 2007
by J.K. Dineen
Douglas Zimmerman

Two years after acquiring Fox Plaza for $140 million, Archstone-Smith is pushing forward with plans to raze the corner retail element and replace it with a 250-unit flatiron-style condo building.

The planned wedge-shaped terra-cotta and glass 120-foot structure, with retail
, would replace the low-slung building that houses Starbucks and a stationery shop, according to Presidio Development Partners President Mark Conroe, who was retained by Archstone-Smith to obtain city approvals for the residential development and sell off the office part. The new building would cost about $150 million based on current construction costs.

The plans come as Archstone-Smith has completed the sale of the 220,000-square-foot office component of the complex for $42 million, or just under $200 a square foot. Palo Alto-based Broadreach Capital was the buyer. The long-anticipated sale was held up because Archstone-Smith was waiting for the city to finalize a condo map for the property, essentially breaking it up into the office space, plus three other separate pieces: 446 rental apartments, a 550-car garage, and the retail/development site.

Archstone-Smith, a national apartment REIT that agreed last month to be acquired by Tishman Speyer, will hold onto the rental apartments and the parking, according to Edward Suharski of Grubb & Ellis, who represented the seller along with Daniel Cressman.

The new development and the Broadreach bet on Fox Plaza comes at a time when investors are pouring capital into the Civic Center neighborhood at an unprecedented clip. Hill Cos. recently paid $13.3 million for 10 United Nations Plaza. Miami's Crescent Heights plans to begin construction this year on a $350 million, 720-unit two-tower condo development. Australia-based Anka Property Group is out of the ground on its $140 million, 179-unit One Polk St. And Adco Group is pumping $35 million into repositioning the San Francisco Mart from a interior design exhibit space into office.

"It has taken out-of town investors and developers such as Anka, Crescent Heights and Archstone-Smith to see the possibilities," said Suharski. "Now we are starting to see local investors beginning to look for opportunities."

Momentum in the general Civic Center area should pick up even more when the California State Automobile Association sells its 750,000 square feet of space at 100-150 Van Ness. Suharski, who is also handling the sale of that property, said 80 prospective buyers have expressed interest. Rental rates in the CSAA properties, which have both Bay Bridge and Golden Gate Bridge views, are in the mid $40s. Offers are due at the end of July.

Over the past three years rents in Fox Plaza have jumped from the mid-$20s a square foot to the upper $30s. The San Francisco Symphony just signed a lease in the building and other anchor tenants are the city's department of health and city attorney's office. Fox Plaza is 83 percent leased.

Conroe emphasized that the rental apartments would remain rental and that views from the apartments would not be blocked by the condos. He said the residential building would be marketed as a gateway to the city's performing arts district.

"It's a very visible building," he said.

Jeffrey Heller, principal of project architect HellerManus, said the building materials and glass would "speak to the energy level of the Civic Center area."

"We're going to have some fun with it," he said.

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Source: http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfranci...ml?t=printable

Heller-Manus again!
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THE VIEW FROM INSIDE
TOWER'S PREMIERE: Futuristic Federal Building wins fans, foes among workers with its innovative features

John King, Chronicle Urban Design Writer
Sunday, July 8, 2007


The new Federal Building at Seventh and Mission in San Francisco

When Nancy Pelosi and other dignitaries gather Monday to dedicate San Francisco's Federal Building, the grand opening will be old news to people like Janis Olvarado and Anita Yeung.

They've been working in the futuristic tower with its steel mesh sheath since March. They've dealt with eccentric temperature swings and unexpected glare. They've become acquainted with a neighborhood where there are more shopping carts than shops.

By now it's starting to feel like home -- a home where every resident seems to have a different opinion about the provocative design and its environmental innovations.

"It's so futuristic, so politically correct, so green, I adore it. ... It makes me want to come to work," said Olvarado, an employee with the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, a division of the Department of Health and Human Services.

"Everything is so gray. I just don't find it appealing," countered Yeung, who works at the same agency. She has an umbrella propped above her computer to reduce the glare from the 13-foot-tall, south-facing window next to her cubicle.

Monday's ceremony marks the official completion of the complex, which houses 1,700 federal employees in an 18-story tower and a four-story annex that frame a plaza at Seventh and Mission streets. The dedication is an invitation-only event.

Beginning Tuesday, the public will be able to go inside and -- once they pass the security checkpoint -- visit the open-air "skygarden" on the 11th floor, or the distinctive entry atrium that architect Thom Mayne has likened to the interior of a Gothic cathedral.

The ceremony will stress the architectural emphasis on employee health and green design -- such as natural ventilation that replaces air conditioning on most floors, or the tower elevators that stop only on every third floor, making employees use stairs to reach floors in-between.

The design by Mayne's firm Morphosis, which was assisted by SmithGroup, already has won praise from such distant voices as the New York Times and England's Architectural Review.

But early reviews in-house weren't as kind.

Elevators stalled and temperatures veered from one extreme to the other depending on the time of day. Another complaint: The floor-to-ceiling windows overloaded cubicles with sunlight -- even though the perforated steel panels along the south-facing wall were supposed to filter glare while allowing in natural light that cuts down on electricity use.

Since then, some design details have been tweaked.

Blinds are being installed on southern windows. Government officials concede they underestimated the amount of glare that would penetrate the mesh skin.

There also are changes along the plaza, where the mesh panels stop above a grass berm. Derelicts have scaled the berm at night, slid under the panels and dropped down into an area that will serve an about-to-open day care center. In response, tightly spaced cables will be strung horizontally between the berm and the columns that support the panels.

But for the most part, building officials say the early glitches were just that -- glitches, the inevitable bumps that accompany the completion of a large structure.

"This is a new building with complex systems. It takes awhile for us to dial in," said Warren Sitterley, the property manager for the General Services Administration. "That would have been true even if this was a perfectly conventional building."

Sitterley said it could be a year before all the quirks are resolved. It also could take that much time for people to adjust to the tower's ecological sensibility. For instance, the natural ventilation system doesn't have the precise stability that comes from typical heating or air conditioning. The building's temperature ranges from about 68 to 81 degrees.

"There's a wider range of temperatures here than you'll find in a normal building," Sitterley said. "If someone's expecting 67 degrees every moment of the summer, they're going to be disappointed."

Another catch: The complex sits between Sixth Street and United Nations Plaza, two of the diciest locations in central San Francisco. The short walk from the Civic Center subway station can be a squalid trek.

Many workers moved from offices on Hawthorne Street, a quiet edge of the Financial District close by the buoyant Second Street lunchtime scene.

Count Yeung among the homesick.

"There's culture shock, I guess," Yeung said. "I really liked that area. This one has a different ... clientele."

Yeung's misgivings don't stop with the address. She's put off by the monochromatic design ("I thought it was strange looking"). She doesn't open the window next to her cubicle because the noise from outside makes it hard to hear her telephone.

As for the skip-stop elevators, Yeung doesn't always use them. Like other employees, she sometimes takes the easy route: an elevator cab that stops at every floor to provide access for people with disabilities.

Olvarado, however, is an absolute convert.

She lives on Nob Hill, and as she watched the 345-foot-wide concrete slab rise from the relatively low valley of buildings near Civic Center, "I thought I was going to hate it, that it was going to be this huge monolith." She also describes the first month in the building as "rough," with erratic elevators and harsh glare.

But now?

"I think it's fabulous," Olvarado said. She keeps her window open, and she loves the skip-stop elevators. She walks to work ("I don't feel threatened at all") and once inside "I feel like I'm still outside. There are no impediments blocking my view."

While some workers have already made up their mind about the design, others accept that their new home is a work in progress.

"Everything that's new takes a little getting used to," said Leonardo Coard La Barrie, who works on the floor above Yeung and Olvarado. "It's a different life experience, and that requires patience."
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How difficult could it have been for the building's designers to test the inevitable glare on the southern side of the slab? Or to figure out how to keep indoor temperatures under 81-freaking-degrees? Or to realize SF's vast army of criminal bums would work their way into all open portions of the structure? It's bad enough that the building looks like a Holiday Inn with a Lee Press-On Architectural Screen crumpled on top and over one side--but to have the actual design work so poorly for its end-users? Lame.
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SF's vast army of criminal bums
How politically incorrect and how true!
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Prime example of a building that ignores the people who will use it.

Its nothing but a giant piece of pr0n for hippies - they don't care if it works or not, as long as its 'green', they are happy.

There ARE green buildings that are not only very efficient, but comfortable as well.
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I just hope that this building does not tarnish some of the other green buildings still in the proposal stage. So far, it seems it has dissapointed, but I hope that people realize that just because the building is green, it does not mean it will end up like this.
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Its nothing but a giant piece of pr0n for hippies - they don't care if it works or not, as long as its 'green', they are happy
No, hippies don't like tall buildings and they certainly don't like federal buildings. This one is porn for Thom Mayne's enormous ego.
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So are modern green buildings just a rehash of buildings from the early 20th century-meaning offices near windows, lack of air conditioning, and stairs instead of an elevator at certain parts of the structure? I know this building and buildings of the past are not literally identical, but after reading that article by John King that was one of my thoughts.
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In reference to the "criminal bums," I'm sure it won't be such a problem once SOMA Grand opens and people start moving in, as well as the restaurant which is supposed to open downstairs. Maybe that's why they were built nearly at the same time?

I'm sick of smelling poo poo and pee pee in this area, and I am amazed at just how clean and neat this little corner has turned out (minus the "criminal bums"). I hope SOMA Grand can help make it stay that way!
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Found this great photo by Mistdog on Flickr.com showing San Francisco's emerging West skyline. I suppose the highrises between 4th street and Civic Center make up the west skyline I am thinking about. hopefully it will grow more dynamic in time as well.

http://flickr.com/photos/mistdog/490916114/

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340 Fremont will be happening, has a slightly updated rendering from the one on the first page here (although it will still disappoint many) and is still slated for 440 ft. and 40 floors.
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