Winnipeg Roads & Infrastructure

[Shinook]

Plessis between Dugald Road and Kernaghan is now officialy closed for overpass construction. Looks like whatever skirmishes exist between the Province and City are not stalling construction.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by Shinook

Plessis between Dugald Road and Kernaghan is now officialy closed for overpass construction. Looks like whatever skirmishes exist between the Province and City are not stalling construction.

It was an odd spat. The local NDP MLA's and Greg raised the stink. Then the NDP speaker of the house says everything is going ahead as agreed upon last year. So what do they want? The road to stay open or not? Typical politics.

But yes, they're going ahead as planned. No detour. Construction should be underway now with the start of the sewer works. Rail works to begin in the very near future.

[cllew]

It was not even the local NDP MLA's (Daryl Reid (Transcona) and Bidhu Jha (Radisson)) that were objecting.

According to media reports they were wondering how their name and pictures got on the flyer.

I think that Jim Maloway (Provincial NDP Elmwood) is trying to get ready to run as the federal NDP candidate again. He probably thought this would be a good project to get his name attached to like the Disraeli Bridge where he was successful in getting the project plan changed only this one is going ahead as planned.

[cllew]

I also went to the Timmie's on Dugald Road for coffee at 10am and the traffic at least at that time was no different on Dugald then a normal day. I did not wake up in time to hear what rush hour was like but I know some people that live in Transcona and they are saying they will go to east the the Perimeter to go south instead of going west on Regent to Hwy 59.

[bomberjet]

Oh really, so Maloway doesn't even have "jurisdiction" in that area? I'm not 100% up to speed on the boundaries.

That twit should keep his mouth shut and focus on his own area. I'm sure there's more pressing issues in Elmwood than worrying about an underpass that's not even in his ward or riding or whatever it is. This is why I can't stand politicians.

My boss drives Dugald every morning and afternoon for the full length. So I'm sure I'll hear about any delays since they're a PM on the project lol

[cllew]

For what its worth we are going to be seeing a new style of Traffic Signal Cantilever Pole in Winnipeg. They have a tender out for a new style which will be a pole with the arm bolted out straight instead of the curved ones that friction fit over the top of the pole.

Not sure why the change in styles but here is a link to what the new ones will look like
http://www.winnipeg.ca/finance/finda...es_Sht3-R1.pdf

The already have two that I know of in service at Donald and Graham replacing the black decorative ones that were put in when the Bus Mall started.

[Shinook]

Originally Posted by cllew

For what its worth we are going to be seeing a new style of Traffic Signal Cantilever Pole in Winnipeg. They have a tender out for a new style which will be a pole with the arm bolted out straight instead of the curved ones that friction fit over the top of the pole.

Not sure why the change in styles but here is a link to what the new ones will look like
http://www.winnipeg.ca/finance/finda...es_Sht3-R1.pdf

The already have two that I know of in service at Donald and Graham replacing the black decorative ones that were put in when the Bus Mall started.

I've travelled Western Canada and Ontario for years. These kind of 90 degree angle traffic light configurations have been replacing the curved ones for years. I actually like Winnipeg's style (which used to be the norm in Vancouver as well) as it was unique to us for the last few decades. I guess that is all going to gradually change now. Too bad.

[Biff]

I would assume that you could run many types of configurations off of one straight vertical pole as opposed to one curved just one way.

[cllew]

looking at the tender drawings it looks like you can go one arm or a T config.

There are 3 different lengths of cross arm and provision to put a mast on the pole for intersection occupancy cameras (not red light ones), and/or the new wireless synchronization system transceivers.

There was no drawing of any poles with street light masts attached, so I guess they are not sharing poles with Manitoba Hydro anymore.

[northern_hoser]

Flipping thru one of the various magazines I get at work and came across this. I'm guessing this would have been a decent option for the Plessis Road underpass and might have reduced the timeframe for the project. Unfortunately the bass ackwards thinking of roadway/rail projects in Manitoba would not allow something innovative like this to happen.

From Rock to Road magazine (July/August 2013):

http://www.rocktoroad.com/content/view/2510/

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by northern_hoser

Flipping thru one of the various magazines I get at work and came across this. I'm guessing this would have been a decent option for the Plessis Road underpass and might have reduced the timeframe for the project. Unfortunately the bass ackwards thinking of roadway/rail projects in Manitoba would not allow something innovative like this to happen.

From Rock to Road magazine (July/August 2013):

http://www.rocktoroad.com/content/view/2510/

This was contemplated but was concluded that it wasn't an option for this project. Something to do with the utilities and risk. Not saying it isn't a great idea. Maybe it can be used for something like Waverley.

[Cyro]

We've been hear many times in the past, but is the time finally nearing to bring down, "Fortress Portage and Main"? Open up our famous intersection to people again at street level?

I understand the agreement to keep the bunkers and wall's in place until 2017, and the affect it may have on the underground buisness, but I believe the time to remove them is nearing? They did it in Europe after the cold war, Why not Winnipeg. Thoughts?


Article:
OPEN your heart, WINNIPEG
Time to take down the barriers, Portage and Main
This CityBy: Robert Galston
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...219152821.html

[Biff]

The tender for the Bishop Grandin overpass of the Kenaston Blvd extension is out. The project is supposed to be complete by Nov 22, 2014. I am surprised that they are actually proceeding with this. This seems like one of those projects where the city has good intentions to do things properly then decides to shelve the project and place it in the vault with all of the other 'should have was" projects.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by Biff

The tender for the Bishop Grandin overpass of the Kenaston Blvd extension is out. The project is supposed to be complete by Nov 22, 2014. I am surprised that they are actually proceeding with this. This seems like one of those projects where the city has good intentions to do things properly then decides to shelve the project and place it in the vault with all of the other 'should have was" projects.

Had a quick look at some of the drawings and they allow for the westward Bishop extension to pass under this flyover. Which is great news. Essentially if you're driving westbound on Bishop as it is now, you will pass under this flyover to continue westbound on the new extension. No funny curves or bridges to go straight if you will.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Had a quick look at some of the drawings and they allow for the westward Bishop extension to pass under this flyover. Which is great news. Essentially if you're driving westbound on Bishop as it is now, you will pass under this flyover to continue westbound on the new extension. No funny curves or bridges to go straight if you will.

No funny curves or bridges, but in true Winnipeg style you will have to contend with a traffic light:

http://www.winnipeg.ca/publicworks/M...hop-phase2.pdf

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by esquire

No funny curves or bridges, but in true Winnipeg style you will have to contend with a traffic light:

http://www.winnipeg.ca/publicworks/M...hop-phase2.pdf

Yeah, correct. I was more referring to the future extension of Bishop Grandin westward. At least the traffic light is only for the two left turns once the flyover is complete. All other movements have dedicated lanes. The new Kenaston northbound should have its own flyover to get you to the existing northbound Kenaston. That would get rid of the traffic light.

[chrisallard5454]

So essentially this design does nothing to alleviate traffic snares during rush hour. Why not just do a normal cloverleaf, or something of that nature.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by chrisallard5454

So essentially this design does nothing to alleviate traffic snares during rush hour. Why not just do a normal cloverleaf, or something of that nature.

Bishop Grandin will have no problems, free flow traffic. Left turns in/out of Waverley West will have to wait at the lights. I could see that getting busy during rush hour. See traffic currently on Waverley during the rush.

[Biff]

I thought I would re-start this conversation over here as to not litter up the other thread with exclusive Winnipeg only talk......

I often wonder if Winnipeg really has a plan for what our main transportation network will look like when we reach/surpass 1,000,000 people. I am not talking about that Plan2020 document or what ever type of crap document that is that they are not following anyways. I find it hard to believe that in a Province and City that is trying to build and sell itself as a transportation and distribution hub doesn't have ONE single plan for a limited access transportation link.

Why is there no future study to PROPERLY (not the Manitoba way) upgrade Hwy 75 to North American standards of limited access roadway. Where is the study to at least look at a limited access Bishop Grandin, Lagimodiere and Perimeter. Is someone, anywhere even thinking about it. Although I am a proponent of freeways, I do understand their huge costs and realize that Winnipeg is probably OK right now without any. But what is the plan as we continue to grow to one million? Adding the William Clement Parkway and Chief Peguis extensions wont cut it.

Lagimodiere will essentially become un-driveable in it's current state. Can you picture trying to drive down Route 90 with an extra 200,000 people in the CMA?

I have lots of contacts at the City and Province but have never heard of any such talk. I honestly believe that overpasses and interchanges are forbidden concepts at our respective legislatures.

....ehhhh, just a little rant before I attempt to commute home down Lagimodiere.

[drew]

Originally Posted by Biff

....ehhhh, just a little rant before I attempt to commute home down Lagimodiere.

People choose where they want to live, and the commute that comes with it. Owning a house in the central areas of the city is still very affordable...

After living for about 10 years in Osborne Village and Wolseley, I cannot handle traffic, and now there is no way I would consider moving much further away.

If population growth eclipses road infrastructure - and of course it will - it will have one positive benefit in encouraging people to live in areas they likely wouldn't consider now (West End, downtown, exchange) and help to boost the property values and population of inner city areas.

I will grant you that highway infrastructure especially for truck transport is woefully inadequate.