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Old Posted Oct 21, 2007, 11:41 PM
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What I'm really excited about is the idea of being able to go downtown, park there, and take a train to the Domain and vise-versa. Can you imagine? Also if they ever get a line coming south of the river you'd pretty much not even need a car then for your transportation all the way to North Austin. Amazing.
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What I'm really excited about is the idea of being able to go downtown, park there, and take a train to the Domain and vise-versa. Can you imagine? Also if they ever get a line coming south of the river you'd pretty much not even need a car then for your transportation all the way to North Austin. Amazing.
GRRR. M1EK SMASH.

Try parking downtown, riding shuttle bus to Convention Center (no parking at train station itself or any of the next three), riding infrequently running train up to Domain (every half hour during rush hour but limited reverse commute support; only one trip in middle of day; probably none on weekends), transferring to shuttle bus, riding shuttle bus to Domain, then getting off.

Versus just driving to Domain.
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What I'm really excited about is the idea of being able to go downtown, park there, and take a train to the Domain and vise-versa. Can you imagine?
No, I can't imagine downtown as an ideal park-and-ride lot.

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No, I can't imagine downtown as an ideal park-and-ride lot.
Well now, of course not. I'm not saying downtown should be a park and ride lot. lol That came out wrong. I was more excited about the idea of being able to take a train between downtown and The Domain, or to any point in between.
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Man, I love the sound of all this, but I-35 is going to be a nightmare, and the toll projects won't do enough to relieve it. How are the mass transit plans correlated with this new area???
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The first commuter rail line will link downtown and this domain/arboretum area.

Personally I can and do walk anywhere downtown from the convention center [the downtown stop location]. From the Burnet Rd. stop [5 stops from downtown I believe] I would be more than happy to walk anywhere in the Domain.

M1 will follow proven analytical methods with his distances and I agree with these... however with the train running so infrequently you will have a few hundred poeple that wil do that type of walking. If the train ran more frequently I would be concerned.
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The first commuter rail line will link downtown and this domain/arboretum area.

Personally I can and do walk anywhere downtown from the convention center [the downtown stop location]. From the Burnet Rd. stop [5 stops from downtown I believe] I would be more than happy to walk anywhere in the Domain.
Have you ever actually tried to walk anywhere up there? Granted, fifty years from now, if the area is redeveloped, it might not be horrible (would still be way too long), but right now you'll spend about half of the walk in a ditch.

Hint: I used to work in the pink IBM buildings, and rode my bike up/down both Burnet and Metric a few times. Even guys like me would drive to the rec site on the other side (where the Domain is now) because the walk was so unpleasant.
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Man, I love the sound of all this, but I-35 is going to be a nightmare, and the toll projects won't do enough to relieve it. How are the mass transit plans correlated with this new area???
Glad you brought up about the traffic on I-35. Its been more than a month since SH130 opened from 290 E to 71 near the airport and it just proves my assumption that these toll roads are not going to do Jack crap in lessening I-35 traffic. The state swore it would help but it hasnt. Its just as bad as ever and no toll road is going to change that. We need to do something about I-35 and we need to do it now. The city government should push the state and Federal Governments to do something about it make it a top priority on the national transportation system for upgrading.
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NO new road is ever going to clear up I-35, because people will just fill in the empty space on I-35. The point of SH-130 is to give people an alternative to I-35, but the state couldn't get past its developer-loving split personality enough to build a good bypass, so it's doing a poor job at both being a bypass and being a sprawl-inducer.

And, no, I-35 will never be expanded downtown. If/when the magical tens of billions of dollars show up, oil prices will make it moot.
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The state and/or federal governments won't do anything to fix I-35. They suggested a quadruple-decker freeway, so that tells you what's going through their mind.

And it's not I-35 we should be worrying about when talking about this second downtown... 183 and Mopac are the two freeways we should be concerned about. For example, South Mopac at 183 goes from 3 lanes to 2 lanes because the 183 flyover is an exit-only lane. I've never seen that flyover backed up in the 8 years I've lived here.

Oh, and don't forget the frontage roads that don't cross over the RR tracks between Braker and Burnet. Who the heck thought of that?
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Just curious... Where will the initial stations be located? I've seen a list, but I'm not sure if all will open at the time the line begins service. Highland Mall's stop comes to mind as one that will not open initially.
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2007, 2:05 PM
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Initial stations are:

1. Convention Center
2. Plaza Saltillo
3. MLK (way out east)
4. Lamar/Airport
5. Behind IBM
6. Northwest Park-and-Ride
7. Leander P&R

Stations mentioned sometime:

3a. Manor Road (still out in middle of nothing appealing - mentioned in streetcar study)
4a. Highland Mall (across Airport Blvd from mall entrance - mentioned in EA but unlikely)
5a. "Howard Lane" (recently roundly rejected by neighborhood folks - would most lately have been a small strip along FM1325 - mentioned in EA as farther out on Howard but unlikely in either location I think)

I would not bet on any but the first list (read more in the Environmental Assessment)

The only ones of these with ANY pedestrian potential are the Plaza Saltillo station (too bad neighbors strongly resist additional redevelopment) and the one at Airport/Lamar (neighbors starting to fight back against that area's redevelopment as well). Highland Mall station has zero potential; everything else is far away from streets and/or activity centers. Take a look at the section for "notional stations" and you can see for yourself.
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Speaking of trains, the first one arrived yesterday in Austin.

http://www.statesman.com/news/conten...tro.html?imw=Y
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"The Domain" != North Burnet/Gateway planning area

Phase II of the Domain != North Burnet/Gateway planning area

However, both are subsets of the greater planning area. As such, while comments about not being able to take the train directly to The Domain are entirely valid, keep in mind that a significant area to the east of Burnet is included in this plan and, as such, its development caters very well to TOD.*

* the point is, however, not lost that said "T" must be of high-quality for equally high-quality development
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The part of the planning area near the commuter rail station is unlikely to be non-trivially redeveloped within our working lifetimes, as unlike the west-of-Burnet part of the old IBM site, it's still being used very profitably by a lot of individual owners and tenants (IBM itself; a lot of smaller companies on the Metric side).
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City approves plan for "second downtown"Austin Business Journal
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Austin's City Council gave final approval of phase 1 of the North Burnet/Gateway master land use plan, which will create a so-called second downtown in the area around the Domain luxury shopping center by 2035.

The North Burnet/Gateway plan's vision is to ultimately create clusters of dense, mixed-use, pedestrian-friendly neighborhoods in the 2,300-acre area north of U.S. 183 bounded by Walnut Creek, Metric Boulevard, Braker Lane and MoPac Expressway.

The final plan will allow developers to build denser than anywhere outside of downtown, as high as 15 stories or 180 feet, and up to 30 stories or 360 feet in areas closest to planned commuter rail stops.

Phase 1 immediately designates a zoning overlay district in the area to allow vertical mixed uses and other urban design elements, and to preclude interim development not in concert with the plan.

A draft plan of Phase 2 -- outlining ordinances implementing the plan -- is expected in six months, says Molly Scarbrough, a city senior planner. Final approval for the entire plan is expected in a year.
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Endeavor to start building its piece of Domain by end of year
Whole Foods construction to begin early next year, add momentum to project


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Wednesday, November 28, 2007

Construction is to start by year's end on the first office building at Endeavor Real Estate Group's mammoth Domain project in North Austin, where 8.5 million square feet of housing, hotel rooms, offices and restaurants are planned.

Next year, the project will gain momentum when work starts on a Whole Foods store, the first 240 apartments and a 9-acre park and pavilion, Kirk Rudy, an Endeavor principal, said Tuesday.

Endeavor Real Estate Group is looking for a second department store anchor in addition to Nordstrom for its Domain project in North Austin. Work on the first building of the 8.5 million-square-foot project will start in December.

Rudy said he is in talks to bring a second department store anchor in addition to Nordstrom, along with a third hotel, to the 176-acre project.

Endeavor also is talking to several prospective tenants for the first office building. Called Domain Gateway, the 175,000-square-foot building eventually will be part of 3.5 million to 4 million square feet of space at the project near MoPac Boulevard (Loop 1) and Burnet Road.

A second office building with 225,000 square feet will sit partially atop a new 70,000-square-foot store that Whole Foods Market Inc. plans to open in early 2010, Rudy said.

Endeavor's site is just east of Simon Property Group Inc.'s upscale shopping center that opened in March near MoPac and Braker Lane. Simon's project, also called the Domain, is anchored by a Macy's and Austin's first Neiman Marcus store, plus dozens of other high-end retailers and 390 luxury apartments.

Endeavor originally planned that 700,000-square-foot shopping center and brought on Simon Property as a partner.

Indianapolis-based Simon acquired Endeavor's partnership interest a month after it opened.

Rudy said sidewalks and roads will connect the two projects, so they will feel like a continuous development.

"The goal is you'll feel like you're in one community, one project," Rudy said.

Endeavor expects its mixed-use village to house more than 6,000 residents and 17,500 office workers when it is completed over the next 10 to 12 years at an estimated cost of $1.5 billion.

Plans call for 4,500 to 6,000 apartments, townhomes and condominiums, he said.

Rudy said Endeavor is not currently seeking public investment from the city or county for the project, but it hasn't made a final decision.

Meanwhile, work is under way at the site, where a former IBM Corp. building is being demolished, Rudy said.

The Whole Foods store is planned for the project's main, north entrance. Whole Foods considered a site just south of Simon's shopping center, Rudy said, but opted for Endeavor's development because of easier access and "to capitalize on the energy" of the project.

Rudy said Austin-based Whole Foods is a good fit for the Domain. The specialty grocer's "strong commitment to environmental stewardship" will blend with a project Endeavor plans to make ecologically responsible by adhering to national and local green-building standards.

Having a locally based grocer also underscores Endeavor's commitment to a strong presence of retailers and restaurants unique to Austin, he said.

Whole Foods said its store will have expanded product selections and services for a growing part of the city.

The one-story store will have two levels of underground parking, plus surface parking. Whole Foods plans to start construction in the fourth quarter of 2008 and expects an early 2010 opening, Rudy said. The store will replace Whole Foods store in the Gateway shopping center.

In the second or third quarter, Endeavor plans to start work on a 240-unit apartment building. In January 2009, Endeavor plans to begin construction on 450 apartments atop shops and restaurants in a district that could have 800,000 square feet of retail and 200,000 square feet of office space.

Anchoring the district will be a 144,000-square-foot Nordstrom store that is scheduled to open in late 2010, along with the rest of the stores, Rudy said. He said he is working on a second department store anchor.

Endeavor also plans to have three hotels, including one with 145 rooms housed in a 28-story condominium/hotel tower that would be Austin's tallest building outside downtown.

Novare and its Austin development partner, Andrews Urban, hope to break ground on the tower, Twelve Domain, in late spring.

Taylor Andrews, president of Andrews Urban, said prices for the 360 units haven't been determined. But he said they will be similar to those for a 44-story condo tower Novare/Andrews Urban is building downtown, where one-bedrooms go for $190,000 to $350,000 and two-bedrooms go for $270,000 to $550,000.

There also will be an Aloft , a boutique brand of Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide Inc. The six-story Aloft is being developed as a joint venture between Open Hospitality Partners, a Dallas-based development firm, and Lodgeworks of Wichita, Kan.

Rudy said he is in talks with another chain to build a 200-room hotel but said he could not identify the brand.

Another hotel, Austin's first Westin, is planned in the next phase of Simon's shopping center, which will have a Dillard's and a Dick's Sporting Goods store.

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This is wonderful for that area. I can't wait to see if completed. Austin is long over due for a Westin. I just hope in that area, the desgin really stand out.
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I would like to hear of more highrise projects other than the Twelve. One 28 story building by itself is going to seem a bit strange here in Austin, would like to see at least 2 or 3 other buildings around the same height in the area.
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Of course I would want to see more high-rises, but I like high-rises standing all alone. Reminds me of the Williams Tower in Houston.
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