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by Phil O'Brien
October 25, 2024


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Tensions are rising over Hudson Yards’ casino proposal, as unions rallied on Thursday afternoon in support of the $12 billion project — while opponents released survey data revealing strong local opposition, citing obstructed views from the High Line and community concerns.

Building and Construction Trades Council of Greater New York President Gary LaBarbera and hundreds of union workers gathered outside the High Line’s main offices at 18th Street yesterday afternoon (Thursday) to voice their support of Related Company and Wynn Resort’s six million square foot development proposal.

“This is about your future,” LaBarbera told the crowd. “This city must continue to develop. If it does not develop, you don’t have a future.”
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Related and Wynn’s proposed casino complex features an 80-story tower housing a gaming facility, hotel and retail spaces on top of the Western Rail Yards (bw W31/33rd St and 11/12th Ave), next to office and residential buildings and a 5.6-acre park, comparable in size to Bryant Park. It’s also won the favor of former West Side Council Member and Women In Need Executive Director Christine Quinn.

Manhattan Community Board 4 (MCB4) has expressed strong opposition to Related’s plans submitted earlier this year, which are a far cry from the largely residential plan agreed upon in 2009. Originally, the site included 5,762 housing units (and no casino) — down to 1,507 in the updated proposal.

A campaign titled Protect The High Line, led by Friends of the High Line Executive Director Alan Van Capelle, opposes Related’s current proposal while supporting the 2009 plan, due to concerns that it would jeopardize iconic views of the NYC skyline from the park, 20% of which is located in the Western Rail Yards.













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These must be the same morons who tried to kill the Little Island park in the Hudson because it would harm the fish. They should all move to Portland.
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I hope this project gets built already with the supertalls and the affordable housing + school, really needed density in that area. That’ll be an incredible view from NJ, and a future James Bond scene on that casino would be epic lol.
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I hope this project gets built already with the supertalls and the affordable housing + school, really needed density in that area. That’ll be an incredible view from NJ, and a future James Bond scene on that casino would be epic lol.
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what the heckkers is the matter with these people?

its an open rail yard pit for pete’s sake.
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Hudson Yards Casino Support

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How many of these union workers actually live in Manhattan or ever walked the High Line? Sounds like they just want another developer to build a skyscraper just to keep them employed.
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How many of these union workers actually live in Manhattan or ever walked the High Line? Sounds like they just want another developer to build a skyscraper just to keep them employed.
Not the question to ask, not that it matters. Ask yourself how many people that visit the High Line are from that area, or even New York. Soundsclike the people in that area just want to protect their views, and keep certain people out. NOTHING about this new plan will affect that area more than what is currently planned for that site.

By the way, the casino will provide not just jobs, but MUCH needed income to the state to provide services for all New Yorkers.
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They've issued the Final Scope of work, so we're very close to officially begining the City's 7 month approval process (ULURP), which must be completed before any applicant can submit a proposal. Once this is complete, the State's own approval process begins.



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Hudson Yards Casino Picks Up Big Union Support, Friends of High Line Object





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01 NOV 2024


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It looks like such a lovely stroll. The sun glints off the apartment tower as you walk along the High Line from the shadow of the massive office building into the sunlight, first heading west toward the Hudson River and then north as the old railroad trestle loops around the sparkling new development of Hudson Yards West.This imagined meander comes courtesy of the developer, Related Companies, in a video that is the modern version of what used to be called an architect’s rendering.

But whether you see this rendering as a reasonable representation of what the hotel with casino could be or a rank piece of propaganda has a lot to do with which side you have taken in one of the nastiest fights yet triggered by the state’s decision to offer three new casino licenses in the New York City area.
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The city approved a plan in 2009 to deck over the western portion of the rail yard and build offices, 5,000 units of luxury and affordable housing, a school and a park. But Related never built it, and now says this is a better idea and, importantly, “economically viable.”

But Friends of the High Line, that wildly successful linear park on the reclaimed railroad trestle, say the plan would crowd the park, thrust it into shadows and “threaten the High Line experience.”
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While the High Line has been a huge boon to local business, a group of local merchants joined the construction workers in defending the casino development project.

“It is our firm belief that our city can’t afford to turn down opportunities for new business and economic growth,” wrote the ten small business owners, who ranged from Roman Mosher’s Manhattan Barber Shop to Sam Joseph’s Joe’s Pizza shop.

“The proposed development at Hudson Yards West would be vitally important for our community, creating the economic opportunities many of us need.”
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All of the 11 casino proposals would, presumably, generate construction and permanent jobs.

But few are quite on the scale of Hudson Yards (although perhaps close is the Soloviev group’s plan to partner with Mohegan Sun to build on its vast open property just south of the United Nations).

The heart of the criticism from the Friends of the High Line is that Related already had an approved plan for the (western) part of Hudson Yards.

“The 2009 plan allowed for up to 5,700 much-needed housing units,” Van Capelle said in comments repeated by Related so it could attack them. “The new plan has only about 1,500. That’s right—in the middle of a housing crisis, the developers are asking to slash the amount of housing they would build.”

Related called this “extremely disingenuous” because the abandoned housing units “were all ultra luxury condo units, which are no longer an economically viable option to pay for the $2 billion required platform over the railyard.”

The new plan, with 1500 units of housing, “still maintains our affordable housing commitment” as well as “the basic test of economic viability,” Related said.

Notably, while the new plan is centered on pursuit of one of the three new gaming licenses, Related soft-pedals the casino. “Gaming is only 3.6% of the total development,” the company said.
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It will be a horrendous crime if the Related-Wynn proposal is not selected.
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i dk about that lol, but if not the western yards would continue to languish unbuilt for sure.
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^ the gov did right. the process has been long set, let it play out. if property owners can’t figure out all their land use obstacles in two years then it wasn’t a good enough site in the first place.
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^ the gov did right. the process has been long set, let it play out. if property owners can’t figure out all their land use obstacles in two years then it wasn’t a good enough site in the first place.
The gov made it way too long in the first place. It never should have taken this long.
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The gov made it way too long in the first place. It never should have taken this long.
No, it should never have taken this long. Hochul is the only one who wanted this thing to drag out. The redundant levels of approval only serve to drag out the clock. Yet, the calendar year is about to change, and it can only be delayed so much. The City approvals are an unneccesary waste of time, as the state’s process will begin afterwards.

But you can’t scream that the state is in such desparate need of funds that congestion pricing needs to start inmediately, while pushing these cash cows down the line, and similarly sitting on a state issued rfp for one Javits site, and outright ignoring a larger one. That’s just stupid.
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regardless of it being too long in the first place, they do have a process and should stick to it.

that they didn't stick to the congestion pricing process is another thing and reflects poorly on the gov as well, but in this case she is right.

also, unlike congestion pricing for which mta is in dire need of the funds, there is no rush for this casino awarding.

let them all be thoughtful about it, from the state to the bidders (meaning at best intentions of course).
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regardless of it being too long in the first place, they do have a process and should stick to it.

And therein is the ENTIRE problem - they had a schedule, and DIDN'T stick to it. I guess you'd have to pay more attention to know that. But this should have been wrapping up already, instead we have AT LEAST another year of nonsense to go. Everyone knows it. Both houses of government in the state tried to fix it. But Hochul's strong point is her indecision.



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that they didn't stick to the congestion pricing process is another thing and reflects poorly on the gov as well, but in this case she is right.
She's wrong on both fronts. Sure, congestion pricing could generate funds, but you already have a process for licensing these casinos that could have been generating funds already, WITHOUT sticking it to people already paying higher prices for everything.

The sad part is that everyone can see this but the governor.


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NY pols push casino plan to aid MTA as congestion toll mayhem reigns


By Carl Campanile and Vaughn Golden
June 11, 2024


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Speeding up the selection process for the metro area’s three casino licenses could generate billions of dollars in much-needed revenue for the MTA after Gov. Kathy Hochul stalled the congestion toll, state pols say.

“We have to bring the casino deals to fruition — the MTA needs the money,” said state Assembly Racing and Wagering Committee Co-Chairman Gary Pretlow (D-Mount Vernon), who recently co-sponsored a bill to set up a faster timetable for the awarding of the licenses.

“The governor could open the bidding process right now, and that could help the MTA,” Pretlow told The Post.

Hochul created chaos last week when she suddenly put the kibosh on starting Midtown Manhattan’s new minimum $15 vehicle congestion toll June 30.

She claimed it was coming at a bad time for economically strapped drivers, while the transit agency and its supporters blasted her for pulling the rug out from under them out of nowhere — and throwing crucial mass transit projects dependent on the expected $1 billion a year in tolls into upheaval.

State pols say Hochul can clean up the mess by quickly signing the bill just passed by both the Senate and Assembly to speed up the awarding of the casino licenses.

.....“The legislation brings clarity to the process,” a casino industry source added of the bill. “The state gaming commission has been kicking the can down the road.”
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High Line faces off against developer over casino plan


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Dec. 12, 2024


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When you think of the west side of Manhattan, two landmarks might come to mind: the High Line and Hudson Yards developed by Related Companies.

Now, those two titans of development are at odds over a plan by Related and Wynn Resorts to build a massive resort and casino, with office space and housing, on the site of the western rail yards — the second half of the Hudson Yards development.
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“We met with the High Line 10 times over the course of a couple years on this project and then we haven’t really spoken to them since last May,” Andrew Rosen, chief operating officer of Hudson Yards, said.

The High Line countered: “When you meet with someone 10 times and they make minor adjustments and tweaks, I think what it shows is we haven’t been reluctant to meet, they’re not good listeners, and they have to be better listeners,” Alan van Capelle of Friends of the High Line said.
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Both are trying to sway the community aggressively to their side.

Van Capelle brought a stack of petitions to the local community board Wednesday night, urging the board to reject the proposal.

The CEO of Related Companies attended, attempting to persuade the community to their side.

“This is an opportunity to make a big change for New York City, a lifetime change,” Jeff Blau, the CEO of Related, said. “And I am asking you, let’s not make this Amazon two.”

Related was delivered a loss this week — a committee at the local community board voted to reject the proposal, arguing the neighborhood wanted more housing, not a casino.
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The Council is expected to consider the application this spring. From there, if approved, it will head to a state licensing board who will select up to three projects to get a casino license.



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The fact that these morons aren't arguing for more affordable housing (the standard, and somewhat understandable argument against anything in the city), and are instead arguing for more of the luxury housing tells you everything you need to know about this particular community board, as well as the High Line activists that support it.



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Manhattan Community Board 4’s (MCB4) Clinton Hell’s Kitchen Land Use Committee voted unanimously to reject zoning changes that would allow for a largely commercial development — including a proposed resort and casino — on Manhattan’s West Side, telling the developer the neighborhood’s priority is creating more housing.

.....The air was tense inside a standing-room only Hartley House on Thursday evening for the Uniform Land Use Review Procedure (ULURP) meeting for Hudson Yard’s Western Railyards development. ULURP is a public review process in New York City that governs how applications for zoning changes and other land use actions are handled.

Supporters of Related’s new plan — including labor union members and tenants of its own buildings — sat shoulder-to-shoulder with community leaders from Hell’s Kitchen and Chelsea along with advocates for The High Line, who opposed the plan. Half the room would break into applause as a representative from either side spoke. The only point they could agree on was the coldness of the room, which unfortunately had a broken heater.
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MCB4 has expressed skepticism at Related’s plan since the spring, and the developer’s glossy rendering of a casino. Friends of the High Line executive director Alan van Capelle headed a campaign in opposition over the summer, stating it would obstruct iconic views of the skyline. At Thursday’s meeting he hand-delivered thousands of petition signatures from local residents and visitors to the High Line against Related’s proposal.

“Unfortunately, Related Companies have made a terrible misjudgment,” he said. “They have mistaken our community’s passion for inclusiveness and understanding, and seem determined to steamroll through a plan that ignores our voices, our values and our needs.” In the 15 years since it opened, van Capelle said the park had “not opposed a single building developed along the side of the High Line”

“We are strongly in favor of development on the Western Rail Yards,” he emphasized.
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Naya Cameron, a 16-year-old resident of Chelsea’s Fulton Houses, agreed with van Capelle. “A casino will be built regardless somewhere in New York City and that will create casino jobs wherever it is,” she said. “Why don’t we make sure that this development meets community needs [like] having a beautiful park and more residential housing?”

Veronica Thaxton, a resident of a Related-owned building in Hudson Yards since 2014, had a different opinion. “I believe that this plan is not only ambitious, but essential,” she said. “Based on my own research, I see this proposal delivering significant benefits, boosting New York City’s economic development, creating thousands of jobs.”
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Related CEO Jeff Blau defended his company’s proposal at the meeting. “The 2009 plan will not get built. The economics of that plan do not support development,” he said, adding that it “included 5,700 luxury for-sale $10 million-plus apartments.”

Speaking about the company’s history of building Hudson Yards, he remarked, “we built the city that we should all be very proud of. … We have created the best, safest, nicest community in New York City that I and many, many people are very proud of.” If Related completes its plan it would also contribute $2.7 billion to the MTA, which owns the land it wants to build on, Blau said.

“This is an opportunity to make a big change for New York City, a lifetime change. I’m asking you, let’s not make this Amazon Two,” he implored the committee members, referring to Amazon’s never-built second headquarters in Long Island City.
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“We need to be asking what is the current need, now and in the future, for not only our neighborhood but the city,” MCB4 member Delores Rubin said. “And I think everyone that is here on either side — they all think it’s housing. And if that is a point of agreement, that is a starting point to think of the opportunity.”

“Let’s come up with some strategies,” said committee co-chair Paul Devlin. “We can work towards a solution of financing if we put our heads together.”

“Given that the City of Yes for Housing Opportunity just went through [City Council] the demand for housing is there politically,” Devlin said. “Let’s tap into the current political will to promote housing, to get housing on this parcel.”

Restuccia contended there might be creative ways to finance the platform through state or federal funding instead of relying on the hope of a casino license to move the development of the rail yards forward.
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