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Old Posted Mar 10, 2023, 1:23 AM
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The Niagara Ice Dogs are owned by a guy from Brantford and one of his partners is Wayne Gretzky. They could be the option that Brantford is thinking about.
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2023, 2:55 AM
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Sooo, delayed again. Albeit only 2 more months to accommodate Grey Cup but pushes the finish, if it ever gets started probably onto another season for one of the hoped for returning teams.

This is beyond a joke. Its discussed in this forum from 2016 that to properly redo a lower bowl would cost a 100 sheets. Hupeg touting an 80 to 100 mill cost for a full redo.

Wouldnt surprise me if they walk away citing changing economics.

Has a time-line ever been shared?
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2023, 2:57 AM
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I thought this doesn't start until June, after the Shania Twain concert. Don't think this one is delayed...yet.
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The date is November now.
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2023, 3:43 AM
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FirstOntario Centre reno delayed for Grey Cup
HUPEG to allow Hamilton Tiger-Cats to use the downtown arena ‘at full capacity’ for Grey Cup Festival in mid-November


https://www.thespec.com/sports/hamil...-grey-cup.html

By Steve Milton
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Tue., March 28, 2023


The Spectator has confirmed that the private consortium which runs FirstOntario Centre will postpone the start of its massive reconstruction of the downtown arena for two months so that it can be used for the 2023 Grey Cup Festival.

The arena had been scheduled to close after the Canadian Country Music Awards conclude on Sept. 17. But a spokesperson for the Hamilton Urban Entertainment Precinct Group (HUPEG) says it will now remain in operation through the Grey Cup Festival, Nov. 16 to 19. The Grey Cup game will be played at Tim Hortons Field Nov. 19.

“I think we have an obligation to the community to do whatever is possible for this festival to be successful, and that the benefit to Hamilton, the community, the Tiger-Cats and the CFL is as great as possible. That’s why we made this decision,” Jasper Kujavsky, HUPEG partner and director of the arena renovation project told The Spectator.

The Grey Cup game is owned by the CFL. The Hamilton Tiger-Cats won the right to host the 2021 cup game and festival. After the pandemic severely restricted the scope — including the cancellation of planned events at FirstOntario Centre — and profitability of the annual celebration of football and Canadiana, the league did a make-good in October 2021 and awarded the 2023 game and festival to the city as well.

Tiger-Cats president and COO Matt Afinec said, “FirstOntario Centre has been a major part of our Grey Cup Festival plans since our original successful bid in 2018. We’re pleased to have received confirmation that the venue will be available for Grey Cup in 2023. and thank HUPEG and OVG360 (which manages the arena under contract).”

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Having major concerts at FirstOntario is a key part of the success of the Grey Cup as it helps drive traffic to the downtown core and to other Grey Cup Festival events. It will also help make up for a shortfall in revenue due to the relatively smaller size of Tim Hortons Field. The 2023 Grey Cup seating configuration is still to be determined, but during the regular season Tim Hortons Field can hold around 23,000 fans, and there were more than were more than 26,000 in attendance for the pandemic-limited 2021 Grey Cup. By comparison, Regina’s Mosaic Field, site of the 2022 cup, seats over 33,000 for the regular season and can be expanded to 40,000 for special events.

Hamilton’s manager of tourism and events, Ryan McHugh, the city’s point person for the Grey Cup game and festival, confirmed that HUPEG was under no legal obligation to keep the arena open for Grey Cup 2023.

“From the city’s perspective we’re happy that HUPEG can work with various stakeholders to reach an agreement that maximizes the benefits of the Grey Cup,” McHugh told The Spectator.

Andrew Nash, general manager of OVG360-managed Core Entertainment, says the arena management company will run income-generating events of its own during the two months when the FirstOntario Centre had been scheduled to be shut down for demolition.

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“We finally concluded that this isn’t just any concert. This is the Grey Cup and it might not be back for a while, so we want the festival to be successful.”
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2023, 11:22 AM
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Fantastic.... I wonder if they are playing it off like they're trying to help the CFL, when actually they are having financial issues, issues finding contractors, etc etc (for all the reasons I listed off yesterday). Not good.
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2023, 11:38 AM
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I think you are on to something. Sure smacks of a last minute face saving gesture to squeeze a bit of revenue while figuring out what to do. If this was in the works for a while then I have to wonder why they didnt snag a Springsteen show in mid November.
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2023, 1:41 PM
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I have no interest in CFL/Grey Cup, but what did they use First Ontario Centre for in the past for the Grey Cup?
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I have no interest in CFL/Grey Cup, but what did they use First Ontario Centre for in the past for the Grey Cup?
It was COVID for the last one so Grey Cup festivities were greatly reduced. My guess is it'll be a fan zone type thing for people to go to over the weekend.
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what did they use First Ontario Centre for in the past for the Grey Cup?
Large beer garden/dance area. Large indoor area for the public.
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2023, 3:04 PM
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Fantastic.... I wonder if they are playing it off like they're trying to help the CFL, when actually they are having financial issues, issues finding contractors, etc etc (for all the reasons I listed off yesterday). Not good.
I suspect they are facing permitting / financing delays and are just keeping it open for a few more months. Hopefully it doesn't turn into another few months..
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2023, 11:22 AM
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More delays..embarrassing.
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2023, 3:03 PM
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Bait and switch.

Fraud, def wrongful or criminal deception that results in financial or personal gain...Alrighty I think we are there

"its not a "money thing" hello its always a money thing
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2023, 3:52 PM
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https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilto...on-delays.html

Cirque du Soleil booking raises more questions about the timing of FirstOntario Centre renos, which will be more than two years behind schedule


We’re coming up on the third anniversary of city council choosing the Hamilton Urban Precinct Entertainment Group (HUPEG) to redevelop FirstOntario Centre. The teamsthat called it home have already bolted or are making plans to leave. Yet the downtown arena remains untouched and according to the city, it has yet to receive building permits or site plans.

And on Monday — two weeks after saying the Grey Cup festival could use the building in November — a Cirque du Soleil ice show was announced for mid December which suggests shovels aren’t going in the ground any time soon.

What’s going on?

“We’re closer than we’ve ever been,” says HUPEG president PJ Mercanti. “That’s, I think, the honest to goodness truth. We’re just about there.”

That answer sounds positive. But if you’re also thinking it sounds somewhat familiar, you’re not wrong.

When HUPEG was first chosen for the project in the summer of 2020 we were told construction could begin in the fall of 2021. By April of 2021, Mercanti — who has previously said COVID slowed the process — was saying negotiations to get things rolling were wrapping up quickly.

“We are very, very close,” he said at the time.

When a master agreement was signed with the city that June, a new expected start date of the fall of 2022 was announced. That October, the Oak View Group — led by former Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment boss Tim Leiweke — was brought on board as a partner. At that point, HUPEG partner Jasper Kujavsky said plans were being significantly upscaled but the final budget was just a month or so away.

By July 2022, he said site plan approvals and building permits should be ready by February 2023 and construction should begin after this past Bulldogs’ season ended. Maybe in June or July.

By February, Kujavsky tweaked the start time again.

“We’ll be under construction in the fall of 2023,” he said.

Yet the city says it hasn’t yet received any site plans or building permits. And a few weeks ago, the arena was made available for the Grey Cup festival in mid-November which means nothing will be happening before then.

Then on Monday, the Cirque du Soleil ice show was added for a four-day stay beginning a month after the Grey Cup. Which is going to mean construction won’t begin until sometime in 2024 at the earliest. And will surely raise even more questions. Such as, is there a new anticipated start date for the reno?

“That is an active conversation,” Mercanti says. “But the intent is for it to be as close to the Grey Cup wrap-up as reasonably possible.”

With the project slated to take 20 months, it should be finished sometime in the fall of 2025. Assuming it started right at the beginning of the year and everything remained on schedule. Which is a big ask considering how smoothly things have gone so far.

If HUPEG and OVG are partners in this, do they have a signed agreement in place?

“We’re working through the process with the city and in the 
 immediate future, more information and details will be made public,” Mercanti says. “But we are pleased with the progress that we are making and we’re very hopeful to have a conclusion to OVG’s formal engagement with the project in the very near future.”

OVG says it has no updates to share.

Has a construction company been signed on yet to do the work?

“That’ll be another one of the details that we’ll be making available to the public in the near future,” Mercanti says.

There’s no doubt this rebuild is a big task. Initially, the arena reno was going to cost about $50 million as part of a larger reimagining of that downtown area that includes Hamilton Place and the convention centre. Now the rink alone is going to be more than $100 million.

Mercanti says this isn’t a money issue. There are simply many layers that HUPEG is working through with the city and its partners. Much has been happening behind the scenes, including work on the architectural drawings and other preliminary tasks so the process will speed up once it gets going.

Let’s hope. Having no teams and few events there is already going to cost the city money. And here’s guessing all these delays aren’t exactly imbuing the citizenry with an overwhelming feeling of confidence about the whole thing.

Meanwhile, one more holdup that pushes a start date into March or April next year would mean the now-departed Bulldogs could’ve played their entire season at the rink rather than in Brantford.

That would be a bad, bad look.

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Old Posted Apr 19, 2023, 4:00 PM
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I mean, maybe it will start fall 2023. Why couldn't they update the exterior facade at the same time that events happen inside. I see no reason why that couldn't happen. This Spec article is pure speculation, bad journalism.
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2023, 5:15 PM
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Cirque booked Dec 14 to 17, 2023.

Where are the wonderful savings to taxpayers for the gifted land to this outfit.

Open the agreement for all to see.

No contract with Oak View, no contractor, no plan.

Btw, met Radley. A more honest individual you will not meet.
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2023, 7:16 PM
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Agree, met Scott a number of times, he seems pretty guinine / grounded. Should be no question that a reasonably detailed project plan be presented with the award of the facility management contract, along with penalties for delays. The community is completely in the dark, and the politicians I can assume will wash their hands of it. I could envision this crew handing it back to the city after years of further negligent.
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Cirque booked Dec 14 to 17, 2023.

Where are the wonderful savings to taxpayers for the gifted land to this outfit.

Open the agreement for all to see.

No contract with Oak View, no contractor, no plan.

Btw, met Radley. A more honest individual you will not meet.
Well the city no longer needs to pay for capital maintenance or operating costs(not to mention the much needed full scale reno cost) at the facility so wonderful savings to the taxpayer are happening as we speak.
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HUPEG hears FirstOntario Centre anxiety
by PJ Mercanti, President of HUPEG
Friday May 26, 2023

https://www.thespec.com/opinion/cont...e-anxiety.html

As the leaders of HUPEG, we understand and share your concerns and are eager to address them as soon as possible.

Our commitment to invest a minimum of $50 million in the renovation of the FirstOntario Centre, including a new exterior façade and video board, comprehensive transformation of the lower bowl, expanded concourse level, and a new flexible curtaining system for the upper bowl balcony.

The restrictions governing our ability to comment publicly have also made it very difficult to comment more broadly on the complaints and criticisms levelled against us by former and current tenants of First Ontario as much as we might wish to. Beyond that, we can clarify a couple of items:
  • There are no events booked at the Arena past Dec. 31, 2023, as the planning for the reconstruction of FOC is still scheduled for early in the first quarter of 2024.
  • Our current stakeholder relations are in unison with the desire of Toronto Rock to return post renovations.
  • We are hopeful that the Bulldogs will also want to return so that their fans can enjoy a world class environment for their favourite team.

We are deeply committed to this city and its future and invite your continued patience as we work through and look forward to being part of the changes that will bring new vibrancy to our downtown core.
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