Homicide stats in Canadian Cities

[theman23]

Originally Posted by Acajack

"Third World" or not, Luis is absolutely right that a homicide rate over 3 is high-ish for a city in the developed affluent world. Where the US of course is a huge outlier and almost all cities are above 3 - often well above.

But in most of western Europe and reasonably wealthy parts of Asia, urban homicide rates are generally below 2 per 100,000. Often well below that.

Of course you may have places within these regions that are much higher, but they're considered to be places that "have problems". It's never considered "normal because we're a big city now".

Not sure who you’re quoting? The point I’m making is the rate is lower than what’s cited in that Twitter post, not that a rate above 3 is normal.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by theman23

Not sure who you’re quoting? The point I’m making is the rate is lower than what’s cited in that Twitter post, not that a rate above 3 is normal.

It was just a general statement in response to the discussion.

That said, Toronto is definitely on the high side compared to its peer cities like London and Sydney.

Even if the uncounted population could serve to bring the rate down by a few decimals. (Of course, this can be done for many other cities too.)

Just thinking of how Montreal at some points 30-40 years ago had over 100 homicides a year. Relative to its population at the time, that would have been a rate of 7-8 per 100,000 I'd say.

[blueandgoldguy]

I didn't realize the homicide rate was so high in Saskatoon. It's 60-70% higher than Winnipeg.

[kwoldtimer]

It's probably years out of date, but the world average used to hover around 9 per 100,000.

[HomeInMyShoes]

Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy

I didn't realize the homicide rate was so high in Saskatoon. It's 60-70% higher than Winnipeg.

It's not usually that high. Regina is usually higher than Saskatoon, but we are somewhere around 1.2 / 100,000 right now for the year.

Generally it is North Battleford (if included), Winnipeg/Regina, and Saskatoon is much lower than all of those.

[MonkeyRonin]

Originally Posted by Luisito

Yes the rise in crime is probably due to an increase in population from the third world. Not so much on the prairies but in Toronto yes.

There isn't really a rise in crime rates (or at least homicide) in Toronto's case though. The average number of murders is rising, but so is the population - the actual rate relative to population has held faily steady for several decades now, typically in the 2-3/100,000 range.

Hence, it's inaccurate to calculate the murder rate using a population number that is several hundred thousand smaller than it actually is.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Luisito

Yes the rise in crime is probably due to an increase in population from the third world. Not so much on the prairies but in Toronto yes.

Blaming immigrants for the murder rate seems premature. The general corelation actually works the other way. Which is why Saskatoon has such a high murder rate and the territories rates are off the charts.

Originally Posted by Luisito

An interesting look at Torontos most wanted for homicide.

https://www.tps.ca/organizational-ch...e/most-wanted/

Yeah if you scroll all the way to the bottom there are two or three people who might not be immigrants or children of immigrants wanted for murders in the 80s.

This is only unsolved murders so the family murder probably isn't quite so skewed but year it's pretty clear my first comment was wrong.

[Luisito]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Blaming immigrants for the murder rate seems premature. The general corelation actually works the other way. Which is why Saskatoon has such a high murder rate and the territories rates are off the charts.

Yeah the prairies are the exception. I said that before.

[Luisito]

An interesting look at Torontos most wanted for homicide.

https://www.tps.ca/organizational-ch...e/most-wanted/

[Acajack]

Looks like another one for Ottawa overnight so that makes 15. Shooting in the east end suburb of Orleans, which has always been in my mind the most placid place imaginable. They've had a number of murders and shootings in the past year or two out there though. This one and the others have been fairly close to where some relatives of ours live.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Blaming immigrants for the murder rate seems premature. The general corelation actually works the other way. Which is why Saskatoon has such a high murder rate and the territories rates are off the charts.,

It's not really a correlation that one can generalize with.

The areas of Canada that have the lowest murder rates by far are in Quebec and Atlantic Canada, and these are areas where the vast majority of the population is born in Canada with multigenerational roots in the country going back centuries, but this population is generally non-Indigenous.

These "Old Canada" regions tend to be a lot lower than areas with more immigrants, though the latter isn't quite as high as areas that are more Indigenous.

As such, high murder rates aren't necessarily correlated with how long your family has been in the country, either way.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Acajack

It's not really a correlation that one can generalize with.

The areas of Canada that have the lowest murder rates by far are in Quebec and Atlantic Canada, and these are areas where the vast majority of the population is born in Canada with multigenerational roots in the country going back centuries, but this population is generally non-Indigenous.

These "Old Canada" regions tend to be a lot lower than areas with more immigrants, though the latter isn't quite as high as areas that are more Indigenous.

As such, high murder rates aren't necessarily correlated with how long your family has been in the country, either way.

Indigenous and recent immigrants have the highest murder victim and perpetrators rates

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Indigenous and recent immigrants have the highest murder victim and perpetrators rates

Correct. And their family histories in the country range from 10,000+ years to 0-5 years.

[Marty_Mcfly]

Three Charged With Murder in St. John’s

(St. John’s, NL) August 1, 2024 – The Royal Newfoundland Constabulary (RNC) have charged two men and one woman with murder following a homicide in St. John’s on Wednesday (July 31).

On Wednesday (July 31) at 10:39 a.m., RNC Operational Patrol Services responded to a potential weapons offence in the area of Golf Avenue at St. Clare Avenue. On arrival, officers determined that a physical altercation had occurred, and individuals involved had accessed a property on Golf Avenue prior to police arrival. A man was located on the ground in the area and was determined to be deceased. Multiple RNC resources collaborated to contain the area while maintaining continuity of the scene.

Following containment of the property on Golf Avenue, two men and two women exited the property and were taken into custody in connection with the investigation.

https://www.rnc.gov.nl.ca/news/three...r-in-st-johns/

Second homicide in St. John's in the past 2-3 weeks, total of 3 or 4 on the year now I think.

Sounds like these meth heads shot a guy in the middle of the street over a bottle of vodka of all things.

[Calgarian]

Good times to be in Calgary apparently. I thought there was another gang war brewing in the last couple years, but that seems to have fizzled out.

[kwoldtimer]

Two dead and two wounded in a shooting last night in Stratford ON, of all places.

[Acajack]

Central Canada big cities update, since Ottawa had one last night in the Byward Market.

Toronto 59
Montréal 21
Ottawa 18
Hamilton 6
Québec City 3

[theman23]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Central Canada big cities update, since Ottawa had one last night in the Byward Market.

Toronto 59
Montréal 21
Ottawa 18
Hamilton 6
Québec City 3

That's a pretty high number for Ottawa. It wasn't that long ago that it would regularly come in tied with Quebec City for the lowest murder rate of any "big city" in Canada.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by theman23

That's a pretty high number for Ottawa. It wasn't that long ago that it would regularly come in tied with Quebec City for the lowest murder rate of any "big city" in Canada.

Historically it was always lower (often quite a bit) than its population peers Calgary and Edmonton, but almost never as low as Quebec City.

Quebec City has gone 18 months without a murder fairly recently, and many years has only 1 or 2. (This year's total of 3 is probably on the high side for them. Outlier years like the one with the mosque killings notwithstanding of course.)

Low annual murder tallies for Ottawa these days would be in the 10-12 range.

That would be quite high for 21st century Quebec City, even accounting for the per capita population difference.

[Acajack]

(Not so) fun fact: Toronto city proper with 3 million people has 11 more murders than the entire province of Quebec with 9 million people.

If you add Toronto's GTA suburbs, you can tack on more than 30 additional murders for the metro area this year. Vaughan has had a lot this year for some reason.

If you add Montreal's suburbs you get 10 more.