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These people are delusional. This area was a desolate, disgusting dump before the HY was built. Phase II will make it even better.
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These people are delusional. This area was a desolate, disgusting dump before the HY was built. Phase II will make it even better.

Does anyone remember this vile McDonald’s?



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One thing everyone has got to understand - including these reporters - is that the casino bidding process hasn't even started yet. Everything moving through any type of approval process now is land-use related. The casino approval process is to begin this summer.



https://www.amny.com/news/hudson-yar...a-development/

Hudson Yards West project with proposed casino moves closer to approval; will plans help give MTA a financial boost?





By Barbara Russo-Lennon
April 9, 2025


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The bidding war for a NYC metro area casino license is heating up as the Hudson Yards West project received a green light from the City Planning Commission (CPC) on Wednesday, moving it one step closer to an approved reality.

Related Companies/Oxford Properties Group and Wynn Resorts, the developers and gaming gurus behind the project, said the commission “overwhelmingly voted” to support modifications required to revitalize the existing Western Railyards with a gaming resort, housing and green park space.
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The application is distinct from the more involved state approval process for gaming facility licenses.

“While this is a significant proposal before us this morning, the scope of what we’re actually voting on is much narrower,” CPC Chair Dan Garodnick said. “Our vote is on land use actions to allow for this site to compete with other regional applications for a gaming license, and in the alternative, to ensure a site plan that delivers for the public.”
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‘$2.7 billion for the MTA’

Should the casino be built, the bigwigs in charge of the project said 1% of gross gaming revenue would be given to nearby community organizations, likely in Chelsea, Hell’s Kitchen, and the West Side of Manhattan. They also said transit services would benefit from a full-service casino in the neighborhood.

As the state-run MTA faces several financial challenges, including a $68.4 billion capital plan that is still waiting for approval and the fate of congestion pricing still in the hands of federal court, casino bidders said gaming revenue can help support expensive transportation enhancement projects.

“The development is also projected to generate $2.7 billion in revenue for the MTA, providing a much-needed boost for public transit at a time of fiscal uncertainty,” a spokesperson for the project said.

One thing that was made clear from an earlier meeting is that, even if the original site planning was financially viable (it isn't), the MTA has already rejected that plan as not compatible with the railyards.
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Great work! And great job making the west faces of 40 HY flush, renderings show those sections stacking up like stairs while the plans show the flush side
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which candidate is most pro development? Why do these people always want proposals striked down?
Lander in particular has always been a critic of the Hudson Yards, and he's had to eat some of his words. But he's late to the "harm the High Line" party, and is just skimming for votes.



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Lander candid on Hudson Yards: “I got it wrong”
Comptroller admits development producing more tax revenue than expected


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City Comptroller Brad Lander openly admitted the Bloomberg administration was right about Hudson Yards’ public financing scheme.

It’s not just working, but working better than anticipated — even after the development was slammed by Covid.

“One really interesting thing we looked at this month, in the Class A, in the trophy parts of the market, things are actually really rebounding well,” he said on NY1. “Hudson Yards is giving about $200 million more a year than we expected, and that’s going to grow to $300 million.”

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Fierce Hudson Yards critic admits financial boon to city: ‘I got it wrong’

By Steve Cuozzo
June 19, 2023

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The staunchest elected critic of Related Companies’ Hudson Yards finally admitted that the complex makes money for the city.

Comptroller Brad Lander long griped that the city was getting stiffed by the deal that let Related make payments-in-lieu of taxes, which he said wouldn’t cover the debt and shortchange the city.

In a jaw-dropping admission on Errol Louis’s NY1 show last week, Lander said: “Hudson Yards is giving about $200 million more a year than we expected, and that’s going to grow to $300 million.”
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Brad Lander has little chance of becoming the next mayor, so what he says matters little...
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Transit wins with a Hudson Yards casino


By MITCHELL MOSS
April 6, 2025


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Everyone benefits from mass transit — even those who never use it, since the essential workers who staff our hospitals and keep groceries on supermarket shelves, rely on the subway everyday along with more than 250,000 students who take the train to public, independent and religious schools.

Today, we have an opportunity to generate more than $2.7 billion to support the MTA simply by building a casino on the western portion of Hudson Yards on Manhattan’s Far West Side. This is possible since a casino on that site, along with an office tower, would generate enough cash to pay for a massive deck above the railroad yards and also generate more than $600 million in revenues over 30 years to the MTA.
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In a normal world, the intelligent elected officials who represent this area would recognize that all New Yorkers will benefit from a casino at Hudson Yards, even if it might interrupt the sightlines from the neighboring High Line and Hudson River Park.

The local Community Board has organized against the plan, preferring to wait for the State of New York to spend $2 billion for a deck on the rail yards, even if this is a fantasy that the rest of the state will never indulge. Of course, the residents of this Community Board are not typical New Yorkers. They are more affluent, with almost 30% having annual household incomes above $200,000, compared with 15.6% of all New York households.
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….. luxury housing, by itself, will not cover the costs of a massive deck above the yards. It is worth noting that within the community board area, Hudson Yard’s developer — the Related Companies — has more than 7,000 new housing units planned, of which 3,255 will be affordable.

To be clear, this isn’t an argument for casinos in New York City. I’m not involved in this process in any way other than caring about my city. State lawmakers settled the casino question several years ago when they approved three licenses for the region. So, the debate must be around the best place to locate them, that have the highest chance of generating significant dollars and jobs and proving the least intrusive on neighborhoods.
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All New Yorkers will win with a new casino at Hudson Yards. The $2.7 billion generated by the construction and operations of a new casino could cover the cost of making 23 subway stations fully accessible, purchasing 495 new subway cars, or more than half of the $5.4 billion needed to modernize subway signals in the 2025-2029 MTA Capital Plan.

The West Side of Manhattan has a long history of progressive leadership. The opposition to the casino is a sad departure for a community that gave us the High Line and Hudson River Park, which have brought new life and energy to the Hudson River waterfront. A casino at Hudson Yards will help all New Yorkers at a time when the future of our subways and buses is at stake.

Without this project, the western yards will remain an open scar on the West Side of Manhattan rather than an economic engine. Along with the proposed casino and its 5,000 permanent union jobs, there will be a new 5.6-acre park open to the public and a new public school to serve the projected growth in the surrounding communities.

New Yorkers are facing tough times in the years ahead without many allies in Washington — it’s shortsighted to say no to projects like this one.

More than half a century ago, New Yorkers approved a lottery to support public education. Today we need a casino at Hudson Yards to pay for the cost of modernizing our transit system.
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Very good news. Nice to see the City Planning Commission enthusiastically approve the project.
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So if Wynn/Related is awarded the license, this proposal can proceed? (It will easily obtain financing.)
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So if Wynn/Related is awarded the license, this proposal can proceed? (It will easily obtain financing.)
It’s not a matter of getting the license, as there is an aternative without the casino. The site plan would change regardless. It would just enable Related to submit a bid for a casino license.
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Thanks. So these putzes who opposed the change of plans from what was originally approved have been thwarted?
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Thanks. So these putzes who opposed the change of plans from what was originally approved have been thwarted?

The City Council will have the final vote, or send it back to City Planning for further changes.

The change in site plan allows for 2 scenarios - with a casino and without.























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Does this indicate that Related must break up the podium into two separate buildings? That would suck.
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Does this indicate that Related must break up the podium into two separate buildings? That would suck.
That’s the alternative scenario, without the casino.
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That’s the alternative scenario, without the casino.
Thanks. So if they get the license, the full podium that was initially shown will still be built?

Related/Wynn have the absolute best plan by far.

This is going to be incredible.

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Thanks. So if they get the license, the full podium that was initially shown will still be built?

Yes. That’s what the alternative scenario is for, in case they don’t.
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Yes. That’s what the alternative scenario is for, in case they don’t.
Thanks. Let's hope that the City makes the sensible decision.
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Now we shall see how much they really wanted that housing....


https://w42st.com/post/developers-th...on-yards-west/

Developers “Think Outside the Box” to Add More Housing at Hudson Yards West





by Catie Savage
4/25/25


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In a dramatic shift aimed at regaining community and political support, Related Companies and Oxford Properties Group announced today (Friday) they plan to significantly increase the number of proposed housing units at Hudson Yards West — from 1,500 to as many as 4,000 — while maintaining the originally agreed 324 affordable units, fulfilling their commitment to the City.

The announcement follows months of heated opposition to the developers’ previous plans, which include a casino on the Western Rail Yards site, that many local leaders said prioritized commercial interests over housing in one of Manhattan’s last major development opportunities.
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The new plan is built on what the developers describe as an “innovative public-private financing structure,” using a payment-in-lieu-of-taxes (PILOT) program, which was used to facilitate the development of the eastern portion of Hudson Yards. That structure, which helped fund the eastern section of Hudson Yards, would allow Related and Oxford to construct the $2 billion platform needed to build over the active Long Island Rail Road tracks.

Crucially, it would also allow for the replacement of a previously planned office tower with two residential towers, tripling the total housing units in the proposal.
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“Over the last few months, we met with the community and heard consistent calls to add more housing to Hudson Yards West, even as many acknowledge the unique financial hurdles of developing the site,” said Related CEO Jeff Blau. “We tried to think outside the box and identified a historically successful funding model that would allow us to increase the amount of housing at the site to up to 4,000 units, while still preserving the other critical benefits of the project. This is the type of creative solve the community has been asking us to find, and we look forward to discussing it with the City Council.”
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In the press release, Related emphasized that the expanded housing proposal came after “over 200 community meetings where housing emerged as a top priority.” It also noted that a similar financing model had already returned over $500 million in excess revenue to the City from the eastern Hudson Yards development and could remit another $2 billion by 2028.

Still, skepticism is likely to remain high in Hell’s Kitchen and Chelsea, where community leaders have been wary of Related’s shifting plans. Many have expressed concern that without a binding commitment to housing, the area could be left with a cluster of office towers — and, potentially, a casino — rather than a vibrant mixed-use neighborhood.



https://www.crainsnewyork.com/politi...ubling-housing

Related sweetens embattled Hudson Yards casino with 2,500 new apartments


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4/25/25


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The developer will remove a proposed 1,400-foot office tower and replace it with two residential buildings, raising the project’s total from 1,500 apartments to as many as 4,000. The promise comes in response to outcry from neighborhood residents who criticized Related for trying to change the terms of a 2009 rezoning that required 5,800 homes to be built on the site. Related needs the City Council to approve those zoning changes in the coming weeks for the developer to have any shot of competing in the state-led process to award three downstate casino licenses this year.

To pay for the new housing in the absence of the office tower, Related — with its partners Wynn Resorts and Oxford Properties — are proposing a financing structure in which the developer would make payments in lieu of taxes, or PILOTs. Those PILOTs, which likewise need City Council approval, mirror the system that was used for the initial phase of Hudson Yards and would help cover the cost of the new housing and the $2 billion platform over the western half of Hudson Yards where the complex would sit.
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It’s unclear whether the changes will satisfy opponents of Related’s megaproject. Its fate is in the hands of local Councilman Erik Bottcher, who has expressed skepticism and is coming under heavy pressure from groups including Friends of the High Line — a nonprofit that is campaigning against the proposal over fears it would harm the linear park. The opposition has threatened to derail what otherwise looked to be among the strongest contenders for a casino license, given its size and promise to create 35,000 construction jobs.
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Related will ask the council to approve the new PILOT scheme at the same time as the zoning changes, which are due for a vote by early June. All downstate casino bids will also be submitted in June, and the state has given bidders until Sept. 30 to resolve all their local land-use issues.

Even if it does not win one of three downstate casino licenses, Related says the PILOT scheme will be necessary to pay for any future development atop the so-called Western Rail Yards. Although its 2009 deal with the city called for using luxury condo sales to finance that buildout, the developer says construction prices have more than doubled in the ensuing years, while condo sales have become less predictable.
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I’m fine with this. The office tower didn’t look that great. Also, I think that there’s more demand for office space in midtown right now.

I wouldn’t be surprised if BP’s 34th St tower is converted to housing.
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