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Old Posted Oct 23, 2021, 2:49 PM
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I wonder if the large parking lots of Bayfront Park could see some development too.
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2021, 2:55 PM
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Looks great! I just doubt it will get built within the next 20 years, if ever.
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2021, 3:54 PM
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I think something will get built. I don't think it will end up matching that vision -- more studio, less "district"

Though maybe it could lead to some new retail or restaurants on Bay or Barton, maybe Queen or even as far as James.
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You can watch Aeon present their "Studio District" via zoom Feb 8th, or 9th, 10th, 12th.

https://www.aeonstudiogroup.com/events

https://aeon.planlocal.ca/vpic/bayfr...io-district/6/
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2022, 1:57 PM
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Aeon has bought one of the parcels the city purchased in 2020. Looks like the city netted around $400K from the deal, depending on the rounding of the numbers in the stories (bought for $3.5 million, sold for $3.9M)

Concept plan site, complementary to what SteelTown posted last week: https://www.aeonstudiogroup.com/studio-district


Would-be film production hub starts buying Hamilton’s vacant west harbour lands
Aeon Studio Group announced plans in 2019 to transform the city’s failed stadium lands into a film hub, but taxpayers still own most of the land more than two years later


https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilto...y-streets.html

Matthew Van Dongen
The Hamilton Spectator
Tue., Feb. 8, 2022

The would-be builders of Hamilton’s Hollywood North have bought the first of what the city hopes will be many of the taxpayer-owned properties in the west harbour block once earmarked for a football stadium.

Now Aeon Studio Group is asking residents this week to “share your ideas” of what belongs in the eventual mega-development of a planned film production hub and live-work condos worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

Aeon agreed in principle back in 2019 to buy 14 acres of city-owned land originally bulldozed a decade ago for a failed west harbour stadium dream. Council later bought another neighbouring two-acre parcel on behalf of the studio — bringing the taxpayer tab for vacant land in the area close to $13 million.

But Aeon partners recently bought back the latter parcel at 242 Queen St. N from the city for $3.9 million, land records show. The remaining vacant lands bordered by the CN rail yard, Queen, Tiffany and Barton streets remain city-owned.

“We have purchased the first parcel from the city,” confirmed Aeon’s Jeff Anders in an interview Monday.

The former Stelco property is expected to become part of a strip of condos or other creative live-work units along Barton Street West, with commercial and film production buildings setting up shop closer to the noisy rail yard.

The film group has posted maps and “concept plans” for the studio district on its website that show low-rise film production buildings, mid-to-highrise condos and a “public plaza” within the creative hub. Any buildings taller than eight storeys will likely require future zoning changes.

But nothing will be set in stone until Aeon’s finishes public consultation, said Anders.

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Here's a map of the land parcels from the Nov 2020 story showing which one was recently acquired by the studio:

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A picture from tonight's PIC hosted by Aeon Studio Group. Maureen Wilson was in attendance, and there were lots of great questions. They have not yet planned the phasing, but it would likely be the commercial side first, then residential since that would be the faster way to go about doing it. They hope to have studios operating in 3 years from now. They also mentioned in discussions with Metrolinx they heard that 30 minute service should be coming sooner than later (but I don't know if that is just the planned expansion or a sooner expansion than originally planned)

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30 minute service to West Harbour from what I understand is coming very, very soon. As in the next 12 months.
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30 minute service to West Harbour from what I understand is coming very, very soon. As in the next 12 months.
Id love to hear something concrete. I'd also love to know the ridership numbers. My understanding is that it is much better than anticipated.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2022, 12:58 PM
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Oooh. Nice to see this getting serious. It seems like a very good project.
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Great. This block has sat empty for far too long.

In the end, not putting the stadium here may turn out to have been a better decision all around.
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Who would have guessed that outcome? Land goes up in value, city makes more money (takes tax payers off the hook) and we get a really valuable development over time.

Last ridership numbers are quite outdated (November 2020), so hard to tell the impact of the hourly train, but it seems like it's working out well based on rudimentary research and usage.
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Who would have guessed that outcome? Land goes up in value, city makes more money (takes tax payers off the hook) and we get a really valuable development over time.

Last ridership numbers are quite outdated (November 2020), so hard to tell the impact of the hourly train, but it seems like it's working out well based on rudimentary research and usage.
There's a bit of sketchiness going on here as always with the city. Firstly Aeon doesn't even own all the land yet, and the land they do own was sold pretty cheaply with no requirements to build anything in a secret deal with the city.

With the train, there was a great article and graphic about the preliminary numbers at West Harbour right after hourly service was introduced. I'll see if I can find it back.
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There's a bit of sketchiness going on here as always with the city. Firstly Aeon doesn't even own all the land yet, and the land they do own was sold pretty cheaply with no requirements to build anything in a secret deal with the city.
That's one way to look at it.

Another is the city gained 11% or so on a property it bought less than 2 years ago. The remainder will probably net a far higher return (I don't know what they bought it for when the stadium was proposed to go there, but couldn't have been much... this 2013 RTH story notes $8 million in 2009 which seems to fit the "close to $13 million" total noted in the Tuesday article; parcels 2 and 4 on the map must have been almost $1.5M valued together if the dollar values for the rest are correct)

If Aeon had not purchased the former AVL plant on the west side of Queen/Stuart I'd be suspicious. They could still turn around and decide to flip this recent buy, or future ones, but given the continued strong activity in film in the area I do feel they're in it for the long game.

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great news for the project and Hamilton in general that TAS is taking interest in projects here.
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Anyone able to access this and share more detail?

Deal for Hamilton west harbour creative industries hub on horizon

"Long-awaited development and sales agreements for a consortium’s plan to transform brownfields in Hamilton’s west harbour into a creative industries hub are on the cusp of a major milestone.

A proposal that involves “fair market value” for the Barton-Tiffany lands and accounts for “many competing priorities” is before council, says Jeff Anders, co-founder of Aeon Studio Group, which operates Bayfront Studios..."
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Anyone able to access this and share more detail?

Deal for Hamilton west harbour creative industries hub on horizon

"Long-awaited development and sales agreements for a consortium’s plan to transform brownfields in Hamilton’s west harbour into a creative industries hub are on the cusp of a major milestone.

A proposal that involves “fair market value” for the Barton-Tiffany lands and accounts for “many competing priorities” is before council, says Jeff Anders, co-founder of Aeon Studio Group, which operates Bayfront Studios..."
You can access The Spec via your Hamilton library card.
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Deal for Hamilton west harbour creative industries hub on horizon

November 17, 2023 | Hamilton Spectator
Author: Teviah Moro

Long-awaited development and sales agreements for a consortium's plan to transform brownfields in Hamilton's west harbour into a creative industries hub are on the cusp of a major milestone.

A proposal that involves "fair market value" for the Barton-Tiffany lands and accounts for "many competing priorities" is before council, says Jeff Anders, co-founder of Aeon Studio Group, which operates Bayfront Studios.

They include site contamination, affordable housing, subsidized artist space and a flagging real estate market.

That uncertainty "somewhat complicates things," but the "creative industry's fundamentals are sound" and can weather the temporary storm, Anders told The Spectator.

Moreover, environmental work on the site is "probably a three- to five-year exercise," Anders said.

"And so by then, it will be a very different scenario."

The consortium also includes TAS, a Toronto-based firm that focuses on mixed-use projects and commercial community hubs, and Forge and Foster, a Hamilton real estate investment firm.

The vision for a 14-acre creative arts hub with production studios for film, television, animation, video games and fashion, performance spaces along with 750 homes near the CN Rail tracks has been years in the making.

In 2019, Aeon agreed in principle to buy the parcels where the city had bulldozed homes a decade earlier for a stadium that was ultimately built at the former Ivor Wynne site in the east end.

In 2021, the firm opened Bayfront Studios in an 80,000-square-foot former manufacturing building at 243 Queen St. N. across from the city-owned parcels eyed for the development.

The consortium had to forge a memorandum of understanding, hold public consultations and negotiate high-level purchase and development terms with the city.

On Wednesday, Anders told council the consortium had finished a "wave" of environmental and geotechnical studies and "have uncovered just how difficult a development site it is."

Despite the challenges, for city-owned land the partners don't yet "have the right to buy," they're committed to seeing the project through, he said.

"This is not some run-of-the-mill land transaction. It is an inspired city-building opportunity."

If approved by council, the deal would usher in tens of millions in economic activity, a thousand new jobs, 750 residential units, a portion of which is to be affordable, and clean up the lands, Anders said.

The proposal also "shares financial upside" with the city if the consortium increases the plan's density through zoning changes, he said.

Through a partnership with Centre[3], Aeon also offers subsidized studio spaces for artists in a building on Harriet Street, which is off Hess Street North by Central Park.

There is an "inherent skepticism" that innovative, ambitious projects like the creative industries hub are "actually going to happen," Coun. John-Paul Danko told Anders.

That's a "fair question," he responded, saying there's "no assurance really of anything" in such a challenging climate, but the consortium has "marshalled" additional capital and properties with a mind to take "incremental steps forward."

One of the greatest concerns is that CN could launch a land-use tribunal appeal against the project, as it has done with another proposed development in the North End in the general vicinity of the tracks, Coun. Cameron Kroetsch said.

Kroetsch, who's in his first year as representative for the area, said he was never "a fan" of the sole-source, sales-development arrangement, which he described as "very opaque" earlier on, but the process has improved since then.

"I think this is heading in a good direction and hopefully we can negotiate something that works for everybody."

Council had initially expected to duck into closed session for confidential discussions with staff on the proposal but postponed that session until next week due to Wednesday's lengthy agenda.
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The article also had a couple of the same renders we've seen before:






And this one is still on their website too, with the above images:




Reminder of what this wasteland currently looks like, at least part of it:


https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilto...b974116e2.html

Satellite view: https://maps.app.goo.gl/qJvQwGQ2AC7m3Hrx6

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I really, really think they could go bigger on this plot. The obsession the city has with seeking midrises is quite strange considering they are all in downtown-adjacent areas. I cannot think of a good reason not to propose significant density here, at the very least set back far from the tracks. Is 20 stories too much to ask for?
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I really, really think they could go bigger on this plot. The obsession the city has with seeking midrises is quite strange considering they are all in downtown-adjacent areas. I cannot think of a good reason not to propose significant density here, at the very least set back far from the tracks. Is 20 stories too much to ask for?
I think 20 is reasonable here, and likely. The studio group made it pretty clear that these are conceptual only to sell the idea to the city, but that it's likely additional density will be needed to have the development pencil out.
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