AUSTIN | Projects & Construction III

[nixcity]

No. It the units it mentioned have nothing to do with Novare-Andrews Urban.

That was in reference to a link to Graystar, not Novare Andrews.

[AusTxDevelopment]

The below emailer showed up in my inbox yesterday (Wednesday). It was sent out to all of Austin's commercial real estate brokers. I guess it'll be a race between Cousins and Endeavor to see who can build their building first - 3rd & Colorado or IBC Bank Plaza.

[MichaelB]

Originally Posted by AusTxDevelopment

The below emailer showed up in my inbox yesterday (Wednesday). It was sent out to all of Austin's commercial real estate brokers. I guess it'll be a race between Cousins and Endeavor to see who can build their building first - 3rd & Colorado or IBC Bank Plaza.

I just realized that's the SW corner of the building. I had always assumed that was a Congress view! So it does not sit on Congress at all! Damn, I can't believe I didn't realize that. You can see the parking lot from the Alley to Congress in the rendering behind the building. I had always assumed they were building on that enter end of the block.

I would rather have had the planned hotel on that part of the block and have this office building on Congress. Oh Well.

[ivanwolf]

Remember that the North and East sides of this building could have other buildings built. So those sides that they don't show could be quite bland with either no windows or if stepped back from a property line those window views would be quite small. The view from the Frost Bank to this building could likely be plain solid walls or windows with possible no views if future buildings are built on the parking east lot or on the north side too. It may only be half awesome? Remember the side of Austin Lofts? (across from Republic Park) Plain solid wall!

Originally Posted by MichaelB

I just realized that's the SW corner of the building. I had always assumed that was a Congress view! So it does not sit on Congress at all! Damn, I can't believe I didn't realize that. You can see the parking lot from the Alley to Congress in the rendering behind the building. I had always assumed they were building on that enter end of the block.

I would rather have had the planned hotel on that part of the block and have this office building on Congress. Oh Well.

[MichaelB]

Originally Posted by ivanwolf

Remember that the North and East sides of this building could have other buildings built. So those sides that they don't show could be quite bland with either no windows or if stepped back from a property line those window views would be quite small. The view from the Frost Bank to this building could likely be plain solid walls or windows with possible no views if future buildings are built on the parking east lot or on the north side too. It may only be half awesome? Remember the side of Austin Lofts? (across from Republic Park) Plain solid wall!

I was wondering the exact same thing.

[BevoLJ]

Originally Posted by MichaelB

I just realized that's the SW corner of the building. I had always assumed that was a Congress view! So it does not sit on Congress at all! Damn, I can't believe I didn't realize that. You can see the parking lot from the Alley to Congress in the rendering behind the building. I had always assumed they were building on that enter end of the block.

I would rather have had the planned hotel on that part of the block and have this office building on Congress. Oh Well.

I am glad it is going where it is. There a small part of the parking lot that goes to Congress where something could be built, but it is only like 80 feet. The Colorado side of that parking lot takes up a much bigger part of the blocks so they could build a bigger building. To build this on Congress they would have to destroy some nice old buildings with nice places like Manuel's. I originally also thought this was going on Congress and was about to go full on NIMBY as hell to save my flautas.

[MightyYoda]

Also if we do assume that it won't be a pig on the other sides which I think is fair considering what Kevin said, the building will provide a nice backdrop to whatever smaller building is put on Congress. Also because of the lots in question, most likely whatever sits on congress will be much smaller which should reinforce that at with the bottom 13 (I think) being parking, all of the office space will most likely have views regardless of what is built on the other lots.

[ahealy]

Originally Posted by AusTxDevelopment

The below emailer showed up in my inbox yesterday (Wednesday). It was sent out to all of Austin's commercial real estate brokers. I guess it'll be a race between Cousins and Endeavor to see who can build their building first - 3rd & Colorado or IBC Bank Plaza.

Niiiice

[gardensoul]

Originally Posted by AusTxDevelopment

The below emailer showed up in my inbox yesterday (Wednesday). It was sent out to all of Austin's commercial real estate brokers. I guess it'll be a race between Cousins and Endeavor to see who can build their building first - 3rd & Colorado or IBC Bank Plaza.

If it is a race between this project and the IBC Bank Plaza - for the love of God... let this project win! Go Cousins!

[Dale]

Why not this and IBC both since IBC has a tenant ?

[KevinFromTexas]

Originally Posted by Dale

Why not this and IBC both since IBC has a tenant ?

I think we'll be able to have both. I think people are just concerned the market can't handle two office projects. From what I've read in a few articles quoting the market pros, they say it can. I think they said at least 500K square feet could be developed and absorbed within 2 years. That would roughly be this tower + the IBC Bank Plaza.

Now where it gets tricky is with the GreenWater office tower which is planned to have nearly 500K square feet of space. And then 3Eleven Bowie is supposed to have 42K square feet. There's also a 15-story office building for Whole Foods, and there was even that ~400K square foot Shoal Creek Walk project.

Right now 3Eleven Bowie is closest to breaking ground, followed by either Colorado & 3rd or IBC Bank Plaza. And I'm not sure about the others. I would assume GreenWater will break ground next year, but it'll probably be in phases, so we might not see the office project for a while, and it could change in size.

Originally Posted by nixcity

Yea, I love this one!!!! Of course I wish it were taller....I didn't realize it was going to be a full mixed use, good for them. That should make the Endevor project more viable. That one is part of the Green land right?

No, the office tower at GreenWater, along with all the other buildings at GreenWater, are being developed by Trammel Crow. IBC Bank Plaza is being developed by Endeavor, as is 3Eleven Bowie which will have mixed use with apartments above and 42K square of office space below.

Originally Posted by ivanwolf

Austin Lofts?

You mean Plaza Lofts, and yes, it most certainly is plain on that side! I doubt they'll do that on this tower, though. This is being designed by a rather famous architect (Duda/Paine). I just don't see them going cheap on the design like that. But I would expect something to be built on those other 2 or 3 lots. Something will eventually be built along Congress. After the Marriott is completed, the lot next to where this tower is will be the last large vacant lot facing Congress.

[nixcity]

Yea, I love this one!!!! Of course I wish it were taller....I didn't realize it was going to be a full mixed use, good for them. That should make the Endevor project more viable. That one is part of the Green land right?

[BevoLJ]

Also isn't there like a setback height limit on Congress? How far from the street does the height limit go? The parking lot at Congress and 3rd is 80 feet tall (along Congress) and 160 feet long (along 3rd from Congress to the alleyway.) The old buildings that are there are 80 feet long taking up half that length. I am guessing the height limit setback is about that long?

[KevinFromTexas]

Originally Posted by BevoLJ

Also isn't there like a setback height limit on Congress? How far from the street does the height limit go? The parking lot at Congress and 3rd is 80 feet tall (along Congress) and 160 feet long (along 3rd from Congress to the alleyway.) The old buildings that are there are 80 feet long taking up half that length. I am guessing the height limit setback is about that long?

I read in one site plan elevation I was looking at that the setback requirement is 60 feet from Congress and 90 feet tall.

The podium level of The Austonian gives you a pretty good idea of what a building looks like when it adheres to that setback requirement. The podium level of The Austonian is exactly 90 feet tall and the tower portion of the building is 60 feet from the street.

You can measure the distance in Google Earth and see. Also the building elevation lists those numbers.

[BevoLJ]

Ah, cool. Thanks Kevin.

Also I updated the Seaholm and Hyatt sites heights with the 314' & 207' heights you posted other threads. You keep going at this rate and they should all have heights know before the summer is out! =) Now if some can just get dirt moving I could move them up to the "Under Construction" list.

Also I have seen a few postings here and there of other projects, but have been a bit busy and not paying a whole lot of attention. Like should is there anything at the Domain that I should be adding? Anything over 100'?

[BevoLJ]

Sorry for the double post. I also just checked the Callaway House thread so updated that one too and moved it down a few spots.

[KevinFromTexas]

I think so far the only one at the Domain that will be over 100 feet is the Block T1 at the Domain. Here's the link for that - http://www.wdgarch.com/portfolio/pro...-at-the-domain - The city's emerging projects list info about it called it a "12-story" project even though it only has 8 floors. So I would guess that means it'll be at least 120 feet. I'll work on getting the actual height.

The Kinzie - http://www.wdgarch.com/portfolio/projects/the-kinzie - This is a 6-story project. I think it might be under construction. See Mopacs' post here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=642

There is a project planned for 3201 Esperanza Crossing that I found a height for. The name the site plan elevation gave is "The Streetlights at the Domain". It is 82 feet tall with 6 floors. I think that is The Kinzie, and I think it's the one in Mopacs' photos. A google search for Streetlights at the Domain turned up the link above with the name of "The Kinzie" for the project.

In this aerial image, the 3201 Esperanza Crossing address placed it on that vacant parking lot north of the Westin. In Mopacs' photos, you can see the Westin in the background.
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=3201+...gl=us&t=h&z=18

[BevoLJ]

Posted updated construction progress photos of the Whitley Apartments and the Hyatt and JW Marriott Hotels thanks corvairkeith from their respective threads.

Cheers!

@Kevin, thanks! I'll try to keep an eye out for more from that to add it.

[corvairkeith]

I also noticed some work being done on Brazos Hall today.

[BevoLJ]

Once this 3rd & Co. office tower and JW, Hyatt and Whitley are done 3rd from the convention center to the 360 is going to be great. Our second 2nd street! lol

I have to wonder at just how much of this past decades revival of the Railyard, Rainey and Warehouse districts is due to the growth of the SXSW convention? It seems that southern part of Downtown really has made a strong comeback when much of the convention events sprung up all over that area. Even though much of the growth really has nothing to do with the convention, the convention did seem to make the area desirable again which brought on a lot of the growth.

Just 10 years ago it was dead. Now the only dead part of 3rd will be by the Republic Park where Travis Co wants to build whatever it is they end up with. And for 3rd St past the 360, once Trader Joe's and the Seaholm and ECC sites are done, it will be a fantastic street all the way from the convention center to Lamar.

I forget, are they planning on building a bridge over Shoal Creek for 3rd street? Right now there is just the pedestrian one and the ancient railway bridge that probably hasn't seen a rail car in at least 60 or so years. lol. It would be cool to keep that old rail bridge and put a modern rail ontop of it and keep the pedestrian one. Don't really need to have a bridge there for cars.