NEW YORK | Hudson Yards Phase 2 | 1,376 - 1,189 - 1,180 FT | 80/80/74 FLOORS

[SamLYNY]

Originally Posted by NYguy

My fingers are crossed for this one! Especially after seeing these new images/renders. I agree about the reduced number of towers, the more open park space feels nicer - and if the proposal isn't losing any promised features like school capacity, affordable housing units, etc. it's a Wynn Wynn!

If I cross my fingers any harder I'll break them!

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by tdawg

I don't think retail at the base makes much sense given that the whole neighborhood is built around a shopping mall at its center.

A shopping mall isn't the same thing as street retail, nor does it serve the same purpose. It's for that reason most towers, and even Hudson Yards towers like 50 Hudson and the Spiral are required to have street level retail at the base. New York doesn't do multi-story parking garages in the heart of the city at the base of its towers. It's all about the pedestrian experience.

Originally Posted by Doubleu1117

Side note, it's completely ridiculous New York State can't work through the licenses before the end of 2025. Hope that once the three are awarded, not only do the casino projects get moving right away, but all the developers who aren't picked turn around and throw all their eggs in another project.

It can be done. Both houses of state government came to an agreement that would have had the bids due this week, but the governor simply ignored it. Another decision kicked down the road. Meanwhile, bids for the Affirmation Site were due a year ago. Those apparently have been ignored too. No need to deal with "troublesome" issues when you can kick it down the road.

[TK2001]

How do you always find these high resolution images? All of the ones I'm seeing don't exceed a 2000 pixel width

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by TK2001

How do you always find these high resolution images? All of the ones I'm seeing don't exceed a 2000 pixel width

That's the only one I've seen directly from the website. But if you change the width in the address bar, you can get it larger. I've gotten that one up to 6000.

[NYguy]

https://www.wynnnewyorkcity.com/

A Historic Investment in Our Community

The proposal to build Hudson Yards West over the undeveloped Western Rail Yards represents a once-in-a-generation commitment to provide significant quality of life improvements for the neighborhood and enormous economic opportunity for the entire city, including:

-A world-class resort that creates 5,000 permanent union careers

-35,000 union construction jobs

-Local community and college partnerships for job training

-A 5.6 acre public park the size of Bryant Park

-A neighborhood-focused traffic, safety, and sanitation plan

-1,500 new housing units, including 324 affordable apartments

-Support for local organizations

-A new public K-8 school

A Massive Economic and Infrastructure Boost for NYC

Wynn New York City’s proposal maximizes the economic and social benefit for New Yorkers by creating thousands of good-paying, permanent career jobs in Manhattan while generating billions in investment and tax revenue to support New York’s critical services.

-5,000+ Permanent Union Careers

New, permanent, good-paying jobs with full benefits will be available to local residents across multiple professions at Wynn New York City.

-35,000+ Union Construction Jobs

This project will create the most unionized construction jobs of any proposal for New York.

-$12 Billion Total Project Investment

Wynn New York City is the catalyst for $12 billion in development of the entire western half of Hudson Yards. Building on the success of the first phase, Hudson Yards West will continue to make Hudson Yards our state’s largest economic and infrastructure catalyst, driving unmatched tax revenue for critical services to the state and city.

Finish The Yards

We present a new vision that takes into consideration how New Yorkers live in 2024 and how the City’s economy has changed while remaining in full compliance with existing approved uses from the existing zoning.

The original plan for the Western Rail Yard—that was agreed to by the community—always anticipated and accounted for the fact that markets change and allowed for flexibility.

This next phase for Hudson Yards will maintain or enhance commitments made in the 2009 plan, including a larger community park, affordable housing, a public school, community facility, and a day care, while establishing an economic engine that provides careers for thousands of New Yorkers and meaningful benefits for all sectors of the community.

$2+ Billion for the MTA

The resort is the catalyst for the redevelopment of the entire Hudson Yards West site – for which stakeholders have long advocated – and will add billions of dollars more in long-term economic benefits to New York while supporting our public transit system. Specifically, because of the location over the MTA's western rail yards, the agency will see added financial benefit critical to infrastructure needs as soon as the first shovel hits the ground.

The project will also have significant economic impacts on the local and regional economy through its development and operation, including a $12 billion investment in New York with more than $2 billion dollars in revenue for the MTA.

A New Public Park

Hudson Green was designed by renowned landscape architects Sasaki, who have lead transformative projects such as The Chicago Riverwalk, The QueensWay Metropolitan Hub, and the NYC Community Parks Initiative to provide accessible and sustainable parks for underserved communities, and Hollander Design, whose portfolio includes individual homes, office towers, waterfront parks, and performing arts spaces.

With stunning views of the Hudson River, this new 5.6-acre public park creates an oasis of open lawns, gardens, playscapes, and groves that connect the West Side by providing additional access to the High Line and Hudson River Park. Comparable in size to Bryant Park, Hudson Green features a dog run, over 300 trees, 500 shrubs, and native flower beds that create an active landscape where people from the neighborhood can gather, play, and recharge.

A World-Class Resort for New York City

Situated in the heart of Hudson Yards, Wynn Resorts and Related Companies are planning a thrilling addition to the Manhattan skyline: Wynn New York City. The resort’s 1,500 beautifully appointed rooms and suites as well as 238 residences will result in an easy proximity and walkability to the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center, reducing local traffic. Wynn Resorts' history of creating safe environments likewise ensures a commitment to crime reduction to meet the expectations of both the local community and the high-end clientele accustomed to the upscale Wynn experience.

New Yorkers also will enjoy Wynn’s award-winning amenities, including casual and fine dining, sublime spa treatments, elegant event spaces, a public-art showcase in a park-like setting and upscale gaming. Wynn Resorts and Related Companies ultimately will bring the best of these and other offerings to a New York City resort to enhance Manhattan’s global reputation as the ultimate destination.

View from the High Line

The animation portrays what the proposal to build on top of the undeveloped western rail yards would look like while walking northwest along the High Line. The view offers a look at the new office tower on the right, followed by the children’s playground, the residential tower, and then the expanse of Hudson Green and Wynn New York City. The animation ends on the reconfigured West 33rd Street, west of 11th Avenue near a new pedestrian connection to the High Line.

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[magoo1125]

TBH I honestly don't mind them reducing the number of towers for more park. I do wish they'd build taller though, like double that Wynn tower's height and now we're talking..

[Busy Bee]

The base of that straddle tower is amazing. I don't really care for the rest of the building above that though.

[DCReid]

I remember there were earlier comments about street level retail. I did not think it was an issue, but looking at the video rendering I wonder why they do not show any retail at the building level to the High Line walkway. Is there are a reason why they can't or don't want/depict retail at the High Line levels, such as traffic congestion concerns?

[Sky88]

In reality these would be the true dimensions of the towers.

1 Hudson waterfront 1,180 ft - 74 floors
Wynn Resort - 1,189 ft - 80 floors
40 HY - 1,376 ft - 80 floors

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by DCReid

I remember there were earlier comments about street level retail. I did not think it was an issue, but looking at the video rendering I wonder why they do not show any retail at the building level to the High Line walkway. Is there are a reason why they can't or don't want/depict retail at the High Line levels, such as traffic congestion concerns?

There is no retail at the High Line levels, rather the retail is underneath, just as it is on the eastern side of the railyards. The High Line itself is above street level.

The casino complex also will have street level retail on the Avenue side, and restaurants on the park facing side.

[NYguy]

I still believe that in a city with so few developable spaces minus demolition, there should have been more built over the railyards. But it is what it is.

Ironically, Related's latest changes are more in line with what was originally proposed for the western yards after the stadium fell off. Originally, the center was to be left open, just a it is in the current proposal...


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This is important, the flexibility of what could be built...


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One thing the city has done since 2007 is retreat from the parking requirements in the Hudson Yards, as well as reduced reliance on auto traffic in key areas.

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Related's initial proposal, like the others at the time, featured the open space requirements in the center...















Vornado's proposal:
















Extell's proposal:











People forget that Tishman Speyer was the original winner of the railyards development, this was their plan....







This is the Brookfield proposal, I remember it being a favorite among many...















In addition to changes to the eastern yards, Related's plan for the western yards evolved into this:

[SkyHigher]

Being the hotel the Wynn Resort should be the taller one. Many views will be blocked otherwise so not a great sell.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by SkyHigher

Being the hotel the Wynn Resort should be the taller one. Many views will be blocked otherwise so not a great sell.

LOL. Have you seen Manhattan? Every hotel is surrounded by buildings. People aren't complaining about the views.

But if that's your concern, this tower - at even half it's height - would have more open views than most hotels in Manhattan.

[Sky88]

Originally Posted by SkyHigher

Being the hotel the Wynn Resort should be the taller one. Many views will be blocked otherwise so not a great sell.

Maybe something like that?

[SamLYNY]

Originally Posted by Sky88

Maybe something like that?

Nice edit!^ Looking at this, I wouldn't mind a height increase.

[NYguy]

Some testimonials for the Related/Wynn project...


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Originally Posted by tdawg

I guess it could have been worse given that Steve Wynn is an afront to good taste.

I was worried about how the tower would turn out, given all of the Wynn towers look the same, but I'm comfortable with it. The office tower, while not exactly flat at the top, would look better I think with a more pronounced curve up top like the Wynn tower. I'm sure these towers will all be refined more before we get to any actual construction.

[SkyHigher]

Originally Posted by Sky88

Maybe something like that?

[NYguy]

Had more time to walk through the vast wastelands of the west side....


SEPTEMBER 2, 2024


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Government inaction allows this lot to sit, and sit. Meanwhile, the casino proposal across the street will sit some more, thanks to that same inaction.


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A casino/resort could rise above these rails...(earning the state mega bucks from both the casino, and the development that enables it). But let's not rush.


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Work continues on the tube for the Gateway tunnel crossing...


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I like posting photos like this. The next time someone complains about buildings "overwhelming" the High Line, you can tell'em to fuck off.


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Work continues on the Wells Fargo expansion...


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[NYguy]

This is exactly the kind of bullshit I'm talking about...


https://www.dezeen.com/2024/09/04/ne...-under-threat/

High Line "under threat" from proposed skyscrapers and casino say Friends of the High Line founders


Ben Dreith
9/04/24

The Friends of the High Line founders Joshua David and Robert Hammond made a series of criticisms about proposed developments in an opinion piece published in NY Daily News today.

The duo expressed concerned about the impact of a proposed development at West Side Yard on the experience of the High Line – a disused railway track that was turned into a raised park by studios Diller Scofidio + Renfro, James Corner Field Operations and Piet Oudolf.

The pair claims that such a development would negatively affect both the experience of the High Line and community-oriented urban development that has they say has resulted from the conversion of the elevated industrial rail line into a planted walkway a decade ago.

"Today the High Line is under threat again from Related and its casino partner, Wynn Resorts," said David and Hammond.

"They are now proposing a massive, Las Vegas-style development on the western rail yard that would wall off city views and eviscerate a hard-won, community-supported plan for a more balanced development centered on a major, riverview green space."

The pair claims that the development would "block" the views from the High Line, which ends at Hudson Yards, and suggested that the casino and restaurants would negatively affect local businesses.

"So much for supporting the community fabric of Chelsea and Hell's Kitchen. This stands in contrast to other NYC-area casino proposals that offer incentives to patronize neighborhood restaurants," they said, adding that they support development of the site that would conform to the 2009 agreement.

Related denied the claims, highlighting its status as a "long-time supporter" of the High Line. It claims that Friends of the High Line have engaged in a "disinformation campaign".

"First, the High Line is not remotely under threat by our proposal to develop the Western Rail Yards; as longtime neighbors and supporters of the High Line, we have met with them 10 times and made substantial amendments to our proposal in response to their concerns," a spokesperson for the company told Dezeen.

"Since that time, they have failed to communicate any substantive concerns and instead have launched a disinformation campaign."

Related also claims that the 2009 plan was scrapped because of economic feasibility, and noted the inclusion of housing under the proposed scheme, adding that the development will add housing and maintain the views from the High Line.

"While the High Line hand wrings over the impact on their 'city views' of a rail yard, this proposal will create a 5.6-acre new green public park, 5,000 permanent union jobs in the resort, more than 300 units of new affordable housing and much needed economic investment in NYC, all while enhancing access to the High Line."

I'm so sick of people just saying non-factual bullshit. But at least Related is fighting back. The evidence is all there for the jury to decide.

[tdawg]

I guess it could have been worse given that Steve Wynn is an afront to good taste.