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Old Posted May 9, 2019, 3:00 PM
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I honestly think that the Gore needs a few more legitimate businesses before a development like this occurs. Speaking to a few individuals in the know, the development was never a sure thing It was an idea that was discussed, but I don't believe that the owner of the property had made up their mind one way or another about building this hotel at any point in time. That's just what I heard. I could be wrong.
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Old Posted May 9, 2019, 4:50 PM
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no surprise....Hamilton city hall doing what it does best.
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Old Posted May 9, 2019, 5:00 PM
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no surprise....Hamilton city hall doing what it does best.
To be honest, this wasn't entirely a city hall decision. I think the decision ultimately came down to whether or not the developer wanted to invest tens of millions in this development. As I mentioned, the immediate surrounding areas in Gore Park aren't exactly a tourist destination and I have personal doubts about whether or not a boutique hotel would currently be financially viable in Hamilton. From a developers perspective, I would have reservations about building something like this right now.

However, within 5-10 years, this area will be screaming for a boutique hotel. Once the LRT nears completion in the area, other developments are built, more businesses begin operating, etc, then we'll see a ton of interest in this sort of thing in the Gore.

If the developer holds onto the buildings, they should continue restoration on the buildings and either turn them into apartments, condos or offices. The developer could also continue restoration and eventually build this project once the area screams for it...Just my two sense.
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To be honest, this wasn't entirely a city hall decision. I think the decision ultimately came down to whether or not the developer wanted to invest tens of millions in this development. As I mentioned, the immediate surrounding areas in Gore Park aren't exactly a tourist destination and I have personal doubts about whether or not a boutique hotel would currently be financially viable in Hamilton. From a developers perspective, I would have reservations about building something like this right now.

However, within 5-10 years, this area will be screaming for a boutique hotel. Once the LRT nears completion in the area, other developments are built, more businesses begin operating, etc, then we'll see a ton of interest in this sort of thing in the Gore.

If the developer holds onto the buildings, they should continue restoration on the buildings and either turn them into apartments, condos or offices. The developer could also continue restoration and eventually build this project once the area screams for it...Just my two sense.
Considering you just converted a hotel to condos you are probably right about the lack of viability. Besides they just built those hotels farther down by george st.
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Considering you just converted a hotel to condos you are probably right about the lack of viability. Besides they just built those hotels farther down by george st.
Exactly. The Core and Gore Park need more viable businesses that are destinations. I'm talking about boutique shops, more restaurants, new bars, etc. That stretch of Gore Park only has Red Church cafe and some banks... Yeah, King William is super close, but I think that area would benefit more from a development like this as opposed to the core right now.

The core is up and coming and has been since we redeveloped the Connaught. It still has years of further development and other improvements before it becomes the location for an upscale and boutique style hotel.
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Exactly. The Core and Gore Park need more viable businesses that are destinations. I'm talking about boutique shops, more restaurants, new bars, etc. That stretch of Gore Park only has Red Church cafe and some banks... Yeah, King William is super close, but I think that area would benefit more from a development like this as opposed to the core right now.

The core is up and coming and has been since we redeveloped the Connaught. It still has years of further development and other improvements before it becomes the location for an upscale and boutique style hotel.
To be fair, it had more until they decided to try to demolish that stretch - it had some pretty successful restaurants in there..

I guess the question is do you want it to be a business core, a culture core, or a restaurant core, or a fusion of everything?

Hamilton seems to have this thing where it designates a whole street as one function - the textile st - Hess party st - little Portugal, the business st, etc.
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To be fair, it had more until they decided to try to demolish that stretch - it had some pretty successful restaurants in there..

I guess the question is do you want it to be a business core, a culture core, or a restaurant core, or a fusion of everything?

Hamilton seems to have this thing where it designates a whole street as one function - the textile st - Hess party st - little Portugal, the business st, etc.
The City of Hamilton's intentions are for the core and for Gore Park to be a fusion of different types of businesses. Gore Park is currently, The Court House, Red Church cafe (step in the right direction), Several Banks.... The other side of King St isn't much better. I like Cheapies, but you got the Pay Day loan stores, convenience stores, Popeyes, a rundown Ginos Pizza.... Gore Park needs more options.

We need places with brand recognition and ideally brands that haven't opened in Hamilton yet. The Court House side of Gore Park also could benefit from a restaurant. It's baffling that a successful restauranteur hasn't taken a chance and opened a restaurant in that area over the last five years. This is the time that businesses should be flocking to Gore Park to open. There's literally so much potential there to make it the centerpiece of our Downtown (which is what the City wants), and it is happening (albeit at a slow pace).

A Boutique hotel wouldn't thrive in present-day Gore Park. The renderings looked beautiful and it would be a very welcome addition to Gore Park, but it wouldn't do well financially. People who stay at boutique hotels want stuff to do at their doorstep. Unless someone checking into that hotel loves spending their day at Scotia Bank, there's literally not a ton for them to do in that immediate area.

Presently, King William St (right on restaurant row), Dundas or Ancaster, are the smartest places to build and operate a boutique hotel. In 5-10 years from now, I think Gore Park would be ideal. However, a business isn't going to build a boutique hotel there now and wait to see big returns several years from now. It's just not smart business.
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I wasn't here when Chester's was still open, so I really hope the owner finds someone who wants to bring that beers of the world idea back under the same name.
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there are plenty of boutiques in Jackson. I see no reason why a boutique hotel wouldn't make it in the Gore.
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I really don’t think a boutique hotel would thrive in Gore Park. As much as we enjoy Hamilton’s upswing, we still have few destinations downtown that are worthwhile/unique to visit.

The last thing I’d want to do is leave my hotel and see drunken bums in the park and around Jackson Square.
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I really don’t think a boutique hotel would thrive in Gore Park. As much as we enjoy Hamilton’s upswing, we still have few destinations downtown that are worthwhile/unique to visit.

The last thing I’d want to do is leave my hotel and see drunken bums in the park and around Jackson Square.
To be fair - the amt of those has declined sharply in the past 15 years. Hell even just in the past FEW years.
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I agree that there is much room for improvement but there are things to do ....the art gallery ....the library and farmers market .... It would be nice to have a museum and maybe some sort of playdium place ....and maybe even some big box stores but their urban sized siblings ....a better shoppers drug Mart.... A homesense / marshal's.... Maybe even a (dare I say it) Walmart or urban home Outfitters ....with all the condos and new residents downtown these stores would thrive and they are known to be destination shopping ....so people do travel from other places to get to these stores
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the post said it was to. be contemporary office space. Not a hotel anymore and this is boring compared to what was first presented. They will still probably complain about a rooftop patio.
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New eatery and office space part of Gore Park revamp
Coun. Jason Farr ‘couldn’t be more happy’ to see projects moving forward after years of stalled plans

https://www.thespec.com/news-story/9...e-park-revamp/

A developer who once hoped to build a boutique hotel at Gore Park is moving ahead with a different plan for the high-profile downtown location.

Patrick Bermingham has submitted to the city a proposal to transform 62 and 64 King St. E. into a new restaurant and office space, with possible penthouse units.

The goal is to start construction on the revamp of the more-than-century-old buildings in late spring 2021, says architect Graham McNally. "They are committed and definitely going ahead," he said Tuesday.

That's welcome news for Coun. Jason Farr, who has long hoped to see vacant buildings in downtown's signature promenade brought back to life.

"Within two years, give or take, the whole south side is coming alive, and I couldn't be more happy," said the downtown councillor.

Just west of Bermingham's property, a development consortium is forging ahead with plans for a mixed-use residential building at 18-22, 24-28 King St. E.

The Hughson Business Space Corporation project has been in the works for several years, but a dispute over an initial plan to raze the 19th-century buildings slowed it. That changed, however, and the facades will be preserved, while the back end will come down.

Farr also pointed to Effort Trust's ongoing office building project at Hughson and King, an extensive renovation of the Embassy nightclub and rebirth of the Royal Connaught as elements of the area's rebirth.

Stalled ambitions and resulting derelict buildings along Gore Park have made for eyesores. Farr acknowledged the idleness has generated "questions" in various quarters.

"Not to brag, it was 10 years ago now that council cut the ribbon on a pedestrianized Gore Park. We've invested millions in the park hoping for auxiliary reinvestments from the private side, and now we see it happening in a very big way."

Also, on the north side of King at Hughson, a developer is building residential towers at the site of the former Kresge's department store.

In early 2018, Bermingham and a partner bought 62 King St. E., the former home of Chester's Beers of the World, and 64 King St. E., then a vacant retail space, and later pitched a plan to turn it into a boutique hotel.

But last May, Bermingham and then-project architect Bill Curran said they'd abandoned the $6-million project after running into resistance at city hall over design features — notably a fourth-floor projecting balcony — and unforeseen costs.

Bermingham, who's also a painter and sculptor, couldn't immediately be reached for comment Tuesday.

McNally, who was hired in late 2018, noted there was pushback from the community about the initial plan potentially casting shadows on the Gore Park cenotaph, he noted.

Changes to the city's downtown secondary plan now also stipulate buildings can't cast more shadows onto the park.

"The long and short of it, 50 years from now, there should still be sun getting to the Gore, which I think people can agree is a good thing."

McNally, who worked with Bermingham on 103 King St. E., north of the park, said the current plan aims to respect the heritage of the two buildings.

The former Chester's side has been gutted to be refurbished into a new restaurant space. Next door will be offices with exposed brick, he said.

"Young professionals, if they're coming out this way, I think are looking for offices that have character and feel like a trendy, funky place to work."

It's not yet certain whether the fifth floor will have two penthouse residential suites or offices, he noted.



Map shows key locations that are part of new development near Gore Park. | The Hamilton Spectator
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this development is gonna need some intense facade cleaning - and it will be nice to see all those shuttered windows finally open

I always did like the chesters ground floor facade though - It will be saddening to see that go.
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So much about this proposal confuses me..

"McNally, who worked with Bermingham on 103 King St. E., north of the park, said the current plan aims to respect the heritage of the two buildings."

this is still pretty generic looking - I really liked the ground floor look of the originals. Also apologies for my previous info - I was one block over haha and thus thought they were obliterating the buildings to build something new lol..

I wonder if they will sodablast the stone or re-build it with new stone. If they will take it off block by block like they did with the william thomas building..

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That'll do just fine. I did love the original proposal, however...
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