Tivoli Theatre | ? | 22 fl | Planning

[matt602]

Even small music venues are at a serious low with the departure of the baltimore house, this ain't hollywood, homegrown hamilton, etc in the last few years. It's so unfortunate.

[thistleclub]

Originally Posted by matt602

Even small music venues are at a serious low with the departure of the baltimore house, this ain't hollywood, homegrown hamilton, etc in the last few years.

Venues closed in last four years:

Baltimore House (2011-2017)
Artword Artbar (2010-2019)
Zyla’s (2015-2019)
The Pearl Company (2006-2020)
This Ain't Hollywood (2009-2020)
HAVN (2012-2020)
Homegrown Hamilton (2015-2020)


Venues opened in last four years:

Sous Bas (2017)
The Mule Spinner (2018)
The Gasworks (2021)
Bridgeworks (2021)

[LikeHamilton]

I loved Baltimore House, Artword Artbar and Zyla’s. Went to them with my wife and friends quite often. We where sad when they all closed!

[TheRitsman]

Apparently this has been purchased by https://www.societydevelopments.ca/

[craftbeerdad]

Well kiss the theatre good bye and look forward to generic towers with a touch of "not-Vranich" but a whole dose of meh. Looks like all they care about is amenities haha.

[TheRitsman]

Originally Posted by craftbeerdad

Well kiss the theatre good bye and look forward to generic towers with a touch of "not-Vranich" but a whole dose of meh. Looks like all they care about is amenities haha.

I think it was a requirement of the city that the theatre be made "public" and be retained. The theatre will remain, what tower will be proposed though, who knows. This developer looks like it has a penchent for the plain and bland.

[ScreamingViking]

Originally Posted by TheRitsman

Apparently this has been purchased by https://www.societydevelopments.ca/

First thing that came to mind:
https://vlp.to/Jw270BFh

Did we ever see a good render of what was planned? I recall some drawings, but that's about it. We may have been disappointed with the outcome of the original plan, and while these guys don't inspire hope based on the website, hope remains.

It will also be interesting to see if this new owner keeps the concept, or wants to modify. I'd like the theatre to stay, and hopefully this company doesn't start trotting out with "it was left too long... it's too damaged now to renovate"

From Society's development resume - https://www.societydevelopments.ca/our-developments: (sorry for the size of some of these; I just copied the image addresses)

[Chronamut]

Originally Posted by TheRitsman

Apparently this has been purchased by https://www.societydevelopments.ca/

Ooh I really like "716" - even if its just for the roof and that bigass clock..

and cornices



and at least they use real brick! No pre-cast panels..

[ScreamingViking]

Originally Posted by Chronamut

Ooh I really like "716" - even if its just for the roof and that bigass clock..

and cornices

Wasn't Sideshow Harry proposing something similar for the lot at Main and John?

If so, IMO we dodged a bullet.

[Chronamut]

Originally Posted by ScreamingViking

Wasn't Sideshow Harry proposing something similar for the lot at Main and John?

If so, IMO we dodged a bullet.

Not sure a boarded up mound of dirt is much better tbh.. sadly beggers can't be choosers - but at least both have something in common - neither ever get off the ground..

[ScreamingViking]

Originally Posted by Chronamut

Not sure a boarded up mound of dirt is much better tbh.. sadly beggers can't be choosers - but at least both have something in common - neither ever get off the ground..

I have confidence that something will be built at the Tivoli site, now that an actual developer owns it.

With hopes the same will be true on Main at John. The dirt lot isn't good but at least it's a blank slate. I imagine a new owner and developer will want to put something substantial on that site to offset remediation costs. What I'd actually love to see is the entire block facing from John to Catharine developed together -- that plaza at Bowen does not belong. 33 Bowen and the old buildings along John must stay though, in any scenario.

[Crapht]

Oh how I’ve dreamed of this development teaming up with Effort Trust and destroying the plaza next door and building the tower at Wilson and Hughson beside the Tivoli and making the property in front from Wilson to the CBC building as Tivoli Square. James needs some open space. Humans crave it.

[TheRitsman]

Originally Posted by Crapht

Oh how I’ve dreamed of this development teaming up with Effort Trust and destroying the plaza next door and building the tower at Wilson and Hughson beside the Tivoli and making the property in front from Wilson to the CBC building as Tivoli Square. James needs some open space. Humans crave it.

I think Tivoli deserves a lobby. Which would take the space of the front.

[Crapht]

Originally Posted by TheRitsman

I think Tivoli deserves a lobby. Which would take the space of the front.

Very true. It does deserve a lobby. That corner also deserves better than that horrible plaza. It can still work. 😀

[King&James]

Originally Posted by Crapht

Oh how I’ve dreamed of this development teaming up with Effort Trust and destroying the plaza next door and building the tower at Wilson and Hughson beside the Tivoli and making the property in front from Wilson to the CBC building as Tivoli Square. James needs some open space. Humans crave it.

Maybe you will get your wish and we can rid ourselves of a suburban plaza in downtown

[Innsertnamehere]

I've walked by Icon 330 before and it's actually fairly attractive.

A lot more Waterloo housing developers seem to be setting their sites on Hamilton.. First IN8 and now Society. Luckily Society is actually one of the better builders for building attractiveness.. not like that's saying a ton.

[mikevbar1]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

I've walked by Icon 330 before and it's actually fairly attractive.

A lot more Waterloo housing developers seem to be setting their sites on Hamilton.. First IN8 and now Society. Luckily Society is actually one of the better builders for building attractiveness.. not like that's saying a ton.

The Icon is likely their best work, I see it almost daily. Unfortunately, the brickwork is lazy and comes off as cheap, with bricks being stacked vertically instead of 'interlocked' which is a detail certainly not present in the render. Its a small visual thing, but like most Waterloo developments it ends up looking cheap. I frankly do not want to see Waterloo-tier quality development in Hamilton; I am familiar with these and they feel dated already. I would rather we get more GTA developers, even if their products are still cheap by Toronto standards. These guys literally do the bare minimum.

[ScreamingViking]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

I've walked by Icon 330 before and it's actually fairly attractive.

A lot more Waterloo housing developers seem to be setting their sites on Hamilton.. First IN8 and now Society. Luckily Society is actually one of the better builders for building attractiveness.. not like that's saying a ton.

330 is the best looking of that bunch, just based on those images. If they can do something like that above the Tivoli theatre I'd be happy with it, especially if the base stands out with a nice design.

I see a few London references on their site too.

[TheRitsman]

The clock building looks kind of gaudy and architecturally mediocre. It's a bit cringe tbh. They don't always use real brick that's for sure. They have a long list of buildings with precast panels.

[Chronamut]

Originally Posted by TheRitsman

The clock building looks kind of gaudy and architecturally mediocre. It's a bit cringe tbh. They don't always use real brick that's for sure. They have a long list of buildings with precast panels.

Trust me with all the ikea-esque cookie cutter buildings that have been going up in hamilton I'll take gaudy over just plain lack of effort.