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Old Posted May 31, 2018, 2:49 AM
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And yet it is also this building style that leads to these cities have astronomical housing prices since it leads to running out space quickly and then rampant NIMBY-ism(San Fran is the best example in the US). If Chicago wants to avoid this they will allow high rises to be built in many areas.
You are aware that Chicago is down 1,000,000 residents from its peak are you not? One million people, decades before the residential explosion of River North, Streeterville, LSE, Loop, South Loop, West Loop... areas which are not even close to being built out.

As a whole the city has a population density of 11,500ppsm. Logan Square, a community that is 98% three floors or less is double that. There is TONS of room for population growth in Chicago. Sure, there are favored quarters of the city where housing is tight, but areas like Lincoln Park and Lakeview are victims of deconversions and RS-3 zoning as much as they are increased demand.
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You are aware that Chicago is down 1,000,000 residents from its peak are you not? One million people, decades before the residential explosion of River North, Streeterville, LSE, Loop, South Loop, West Loop... areas which are not even close to being built out.

As a whole the city has a population density of 11,500ppsm. Logan Square, a community that is 98% three floors or less is double that. There is TONS of room for population growth in Chicago. Sure, there are favored quarters of the city where housing is tight, but areas like Lincoln Park and Lakeview are victims of deconversions and RS-3 zoning as much as they are increased demand.
Besides the fact that people lived in much denser and worse conditions, a million people is nothing if we deal with a mass exodus from the South. We would be talking about millions upon millions of people.
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Old Posted May 30, 2018, 3:17 PM
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It's kind of like you didn't read any of the second part of my comment. Hmmmmmm
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As for 10023's comment on a hill in the Northwest... idk, I guess it would be something to break up the monotony but I think I like the flatness of the area because it means you can see the skyline from everwhere, miles and miles away. The skyline is the topography
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Old Posted May 30, 2018, 3:37 PM
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The second part of your comment is wild, apocalyptic speculation. As much as I'd like to see Chicago gain more global prominence, I think we easily have the technology to save NY, Boston, etc from both flooding and droughts. We're not going to see any "mass emigration".
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Old Posted May 30, 2018, 3:52 PM
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The second part of your comment is wild, apocalyptic speculation. As much as I'd like to see Chicago gain more global prominence, I think we easily have the technology to save NY, Boston, etc from both flooding and droughts. We're not going to see any "mass emigration".
The thing is, "wild, apocalyptic speculation" is considered to be a not unlikely scenario. I've read a lot on how Chicago is uniquely positioned to weather (pun not intended) the effects of climate change due to its location, proximity to Lake Michigan, and lack of catastrophic natural disasters.

It all depends on how good we're able to take care of the quality of Lake Michigan, and how easily we can carry away excess rainwater. Over time, and I agree with KDM's timeframe of about 80 years down the road, if climatologists' worst case materializes without technology swooping in to save the day, Chicago may indeed see a huge influx of displaced people.
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why do people act like Chicago exists in a bubble and also wont suffer its own adverse effects? while it might not be threatened by rising seas, seeing Chicago have the climate of modern day Austin by the end of the century isnt exactly something to relish or cheer. which btw will impact our own vegetation, tree canopy, health of the lake, quality of life, etc. to say nothing of the unimaginable global upheaval which will make this whole notion of some leisurely privileged American midwestern lifestyle seem beyond quaint. this whole idea that Chicago somehow stands to profit as the rest of the world crumbles is insufferable, and if it comes to pass its not really a world i think any of us are going to want to inhabit anyway.
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why do people act like Chicago exists in a bubble and also wont suffer its own adverse effects? while it might not be threatened by rising seas, seeing Chicago have the climate of modern day Austin by the end of the century isnt exactly something to relish or cheer. which btw will impact our own vegetation, tree canopy, health of the lake, quality of life, etc. to say nothing of the unimaginable global upheaval which will make this whole notion of some leisurely privileged American midwestern lifestyle seem beyond quaint. this whole idea that Chicago somehow stands to profit as the rest of the world crumbles is insufferable, and if it comes to pass its not really a world i think any of us are going to want to inhabit anyway.
the automatic assumption of climate change as a net positive for chicago is likely rooted in the boosterism that infects the forum but the city should be preparing for the extreme long-term inevitable consequences of global climate change, including sea level rise likely to render densely populated areas uninhabitable.
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the automatic assumption of climate change as a net positive for chicago is likely rooted in the boosterism that infects the forum but the city should be preparing for the extreme long-term inevitable consequences of global climate change, including sea level rise likely to render densely populated areas uninhabitable.
at 181M above sea level (594') I'd say Chicago is a good bet - and many of the others (NYC, London, Bombay, Shanghai, Tokyo) are a decidedly bad bet.
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at 181M above sea level (594') I'd say Chicago is a good bet - and many of the others (NYC, London, Bombay, Shanghai, Tokyo) are a decidedly bad bet.
I think we too often focus on the NYC and London type cities but it's the Miami's and NOLAs not to mention large swaths of extremely dense southeast and South Asia abroad.

Immigration to the US and especially Chicago isn't what it once was and current political conditions aren't likely to change that anytime soon. But given our declining national birth rates, it's easy to see how there could be large future waves of immigration in the not too distant future.
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^^^ Yeah Miami is already having problems with frequent coastal flooding at high tide even without significant adverse weather. Miami is likely to become some sort of futuristic Venice where it will eventually be hundreds of highrises with the first 2-3 floors flooded and the lobby just moving up a floor as needed. The big existential threat to Miami is what happens if one of those nasty nasty storms that blew up in the Gulf last year lands a direct "dirty side" blow on Miami after feeding on global warming charged waters.

But I think the city with the biggest global warming target on it's back is Houston. They've had three or four "100 year" flooding events in the past 4 years alone. At what point does that entire area just become toxic to insurance companies and everyone is forced to leave or live their at their own risk? I mean Hurricane Harvey dumped 5 feet of rain in some places, how the hell are you supposed to live with storms like that happening? And it would be one thing if it were some freak event, but this is now the third or fourth time in the last few years Houston has been destroyed by flooding.

We just had a 100 year flooding event at my family cottage up on the Wolf River in Wisconsin which was coursing with all the meltoff from that late season blizzard that dumped 30+ inches around Green Bay. I've never seen the river that deep before, it was overtopping everyone's seawall. We just had a flood survey done to try to prove we were out of the 100 year flood plain which massively reduces our flood insurance. Sure enough 90% of our yard was above that plain. And guess what, the water stopped almost exactly where the lines on the survey were. So my point is we have a shit ton of knowledge on weather patterns accumulated over a century or more. 100 year floods are 100 year floods, they simply do not happen three or four times in a row. We've had the cottage in our family for 20+ years and it's never even come close to the top of the seawall. Now we know what the 100 year event looks like and shouldn't see it again for a long time. It's not normal to have 3 or 4 in a row, that's just really freaky. It either means our climate science for the Houston area is wayyyyy off or it means that the old 100 year flood standard is no longer accurate which means a lot of people are going to have to move.

PS: Literally the first thing I did after posting this was check the weather because it started raining and I saw this:



That's the remains of the first named tropical storm of the season still spinning 800 miles inland. That's just bizarre, we get the remnants of tropical depressions up here all the time, but they don't stay fully formed like this. It probably has something to do with, I dunno, 90+ degree temps in late May in the Midwest...
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Random but interesting, this is the difference in violent crime rates for the below cities compared to Chicago (positive means they're higher, negative they're lower) for metro and city. Chicago isn't really that bad at all.

City Only - % that crime is higher or lower than Chicago's violent crime rate:

Detroit: 95%
St Louis: 101%
Miami: 13%
New Orleans: 5%
Memphis: 93%
Milwaukee: 77%
Washington DC: 33%
Cleveland: 48%
Atlanta: 24%
Houston: 7%
Los Angeles: -30%
Minneapolis: 18%
Philadelphia: 14%
San Francisco: -14%
Seattle: -34%
NYC: -37%

Entire Metro Area - % that crime is higher or lower than Chicago's violent crime rate:

Detroit: 32%
St Louis: 29%
Miami: 35%
New Orleans: 42%
Memphis: 175%
Milwaukee: 80%
Washington DC: -14%
Cleveland: 21%
Atlanta: 6%
Houston: 50%
Los Angeles: 14%
Minneapolis: -25%
Philadelphia: 22%
San Francisco: 28%
Seattle: -14%
NYC: -6%
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Random but interesting, this is the difference in violent crime rates for the below cities compared to Chicago (positive means they're higher, negative they're lower) for metro and city. Chicago isn't really that bad at all.

City Only - % that crime is higher or lower than Chicago's violent crime rate:

Detroit: 95%
St Louis: 101%
Miami: 13%
New Orleans: 5%
Memphis: 93%
Milwaukee: 77%
Washington DC: 33%
Cleveland: 48%
Atlanta: 24%
Houston: 7%
Los Angeles: -30%
Minneapolis: 18%
Philadelphia: 14%
San Francisco: -14%
Seattle: -34%
NYC: -37%

Entire Metro Area - % that crime is higher or lower than Chicago's violent crime rate:

Detroit: 32%
St Louis: 29%
Miami: 35%
New Orleans: 42%
Memphis: 175%
Milwaukee: 80%
Washington DC: -14%
Cleveland: 21%
Atlanta: 6%
Houston: 50%
Los Angeles: 14%
Minneapolis: -25%
Philadelphia: 22%
San Francisco: 28%
Seattle: -14%
NYC: -6%
But this simply CAN'T be! It's goes against the media narrative about how everyone who dares enter Chicago will get shot upon entering, and likely murdered before having a chance to leave! OH NOES!!!!



Seriously though, this data does prove one very important thing. It proves that perceptions can be very, very, VERY deceiving!

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Entire Metro Area - % that crime is higher or lower than Chicago's violent crime rate:
To clarify, is this second set of data compared to just Chicago or is it the Chicago metro?
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To clarify, is this second set of data compared to just Chicago or is it the Chicago metro?
metro chicago vs the other metros. apples to apples.
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Mr. Gorbachev tear down this wall..

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I meant to say Mr. Emanuel cover these rail tracks... For access to the lake and museum campus.


I cant imagine this building and the others on the south end of Grant Park would not approve, but currently they do not seem to want to cough up even a partial cash component to see it through to fruition.

If those tracks were covered and easy access to the Park were realized the premium on those condos and hotels would be worth it in the long term unless it is so ungodly expensive to do so.


Hell the city with corporate help covered Millennium park with thousands of tons of works above them and created parking garages to boot.

Maggie Daily park did almost likewise at much a less expense.

All I am asking for is a simple light grass park ... Nothing more.


But at the glacial pace these ideas are addresses, I'm not convinced I will ever see them done in my years left on this planet. Which is practicly insane due to the increased resale of a place in a condo or a higher charge for a hotel room if this measure was treated with such importance as I have always thought about it.

I remember walking to Solder Field walking friends across the wastelands of the tracks and being embarssed about the tracks and the lack of anything worthwhile to look at other than a wooden platform station that was falling over at that point.

For those that are not locals its hard to navigate west from that area post games and there are just a few dedicated bridges to cross the wastelands.


Outsiders have said, The city is so clean and beautiful, why can't they make it easy to cross over to our hotels. ect...


The Tracks are IMO an embarrassment and I have no answers to outsiders other than well we did cover millennium park but we cant cover these train tracks because there is no money or interest or what ever reason you can think of. Now this is going back 30 years even before millennium park was just an Idea.


Chicago we have a long way to go to make the South Loop a viable livable hoods IMO. The West loop is booming, its void of ten track train lines...

The 78 west of the river is another ugly example. How in the hell can they be covered. No one wants to pay for it and with Drump as POTUS don't expect any city to benefit from any rail support. Luckily we are almost already finished with CREATE that Obama and LaHood helped our region with the help of the senior Lipinski Dem house member that was very helpful in pushing the goals of CREATE and making a real difference. His son I am not sure about, for he seems a back bencher and it appears he is not a real go getter as his father, but that said he has no where near the seniority as his old man did. That could be a general problem of congress where the old timers get the plum assignments and have a factor in where money is spent. The younger seems to have no real influence from what I can gather.

Remember our jailed Rostenkowski rep that was on the Ways and Means committee? That guy could funnel some real monies into the metro. Its to bad he got so greedy like other IL house Reps.

Hell even The Third in line for the POTUS the pervert Hastert pushed a good amount of federal dollars into the Chicagoland region under Dubya the 2nd. Hell he almost made a third suburban interstate loop around Chicagoland, the Hastert bypass, but it failed eventually luckily

The funny thing is that Illinois is not lacking in political seniority in the last few decades, Durban the 4th or now 5th In line to succeed to the POTUS if needed is a very important member of the Illinois delegation. We need to keep he re elected until he dies in office. But all of that said clout Illinois is still a major substisier-er of the rest of red America. Illinoisans pay more federal taxes that we get back and we have been in this situation for at least 3 decades non stop, even with Obama being the POTUS for two terms. Illinoisans are getting screwed in the amount of taxes paid to the amount we get back for most of my lifetime, and I have not idea how to make at least close to equal.

Obama needed congress to address that matter and it was not a priority for him obviously. If Obama from Chicago and Illinois cant fix the disparity of taxes paid vs taxes received than who the hell can? It seems like we will always be stuck in the position of a suckling pig that the rest of the country benefits from. This is a very sad of state of positon IMO. but Illinois with all of its problems is not such a sorry state that ever person in the media and general conservatives want to make it out to be. [ ESP ] Trying to tie it to the murder capital of the entire world. Data shows that this is untrue. Perceptions has it influences though. Everyone that hated Obama likewise hated Chicago. Every gang on gang gunshot gets all of the reds hot and bothered. It gets posted every single day in conservative websites that I observe.

A hell of a lot of red state Americans think you are likely to get killed in less than 30 minutes s once you cross into city limits. I know its nuts but the perception is out there and it is non stop and its very powerful in the general major medias.

That said Chicago in General is having one of the lowest unemployment in a very long time; Things are looking up in the metro area, its the south of the state that is pulling up it strings and like always retiring to sunnier pastures, like Florida, AZ, and ect.


Funny thing about state population is I personally know at least 10 or more families that semi retired to Florida for 51% of the year but in reality really live in Chicagoland > 7 months of the year to be around their grandchildren.

IMO Florida is like the local USA version of the tax haven that is the Cayman Islands. Its a Tax haven for them and most of the snow birds live there less than 5 months but they willfully act as Florida citizens and do vote down there. Florida and AZ is a wasteland of elderly. I'm not saying its bad I might retire to SW Florida

Someday but its not like I will forget about my roots or use it as a tax shelter. I my self could never imagine living down there more than 6 months to qualify qs a resident and I will not cheat the system like so many retiree snow birds do.

Hell Florida likely has several million people acting as residents that do not live there most of the year and they get the fed funding for all of the old snow birds....



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anyway trying to get back to point....

Chicagoland at least has been quite successful in corporate expansions and relocations for almost 3 decades regardless of our loss of population on the west and south sides of Chicago. [ Those that do not agree with that statement save your time and not rebut but PM me and I will provide you links to prove my facts ]


Google donor states vs welfare states. Almost all of the states that receive donations are red states from the productive north, east coast, west coast to poor post confederate states of the south. This has probably been going on since the post Lincoln Andrew Jackson era ???



The McCormack Place Semi trailer marshaling yards and general congregations in the area is another place that an Olympic village was to be built upon, after being covered in the 2016 plan.....

The sad situation of the tear down of the Historic Michael Reese Hospital Building is another example of a south loop location that is cut off from the lake by trains and railroads.


That area also was to be developed for the 2016 Chicago Olympiad.

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^Lol drunk post tho i mostly concur
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^Lol drunk post tho i mostly concur
Well I did re-read my statement and I did have a few spelling errors. Thank you for addressing that.

Its certainly not purely and cleanly outlined like a , Microsoft power point presentation, which BTW some of the largest and most successful businesses outlawed or simply said they would no longer accept PowerPoint presentations anymore. [ PM me if you do not believe me. ]


BTW I will stand by my previous suggestions and statements.

I will also not deny that I did imbibe on this Friday night and I do state that I do not have to work this weekend.

Those that know me, or at least my previous posts in the last decade would agree this is a mild inebriation for me and I am proud I can post in a reasonable manner even if I have had a few, which is a hell of a lot better than I was posting in the past years ago.


If anyone disagrees with my statement feel free to PM me.


Thanks in advance and carry on folks.


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Chicago needs to protect all of its old buildings, whether they have historic or architectural significance or not...
I live in New York - a city that has, at best, a mixed record on preservation (we're still demo'ing 200+-year-old Federalist buildings pretty regularly).

That said, I'm always absolutely shocked / mortified at how much Chicago seems to crap on preservation. Every time I'm in Chicago, I see beautiful old mansions, townhouses, etc., in places like River North or Lincoln Park biting the dust for fairly ugly new condos.

Given the huge number of surface lots and parking garages, the city could easily, without any impact on development, put down a blanket landmarking of its irreplaceable pre-WWII architectural stock. Unfortunately, I don't think that's likely, as it would be a very far cry from what seems to happen today.
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I live in New York - a city that has, at best, a mixed record on preservation (we're still demo'ing 200+-year-old Federalist buildings pretty regularly).

That said, I'm always absolutely shocked / mortified at how much Chicago seems to crap on preservation. Every time I'm in Chicago, I see beautiful old mansions, townhouses, etc., in places like River North or Lincoln Park biting the dust for fairly ugly new condos.

Given the huge number of surface lots and parking garages, the city could easily, without any impact on development, put down a blanket landmarking of its irreplaceable pre-WWII architectural stock. Unfortunately, I don't think that's likely, as it would be a very far cry from what seems to happen today.
Agree 100%. Given that Chicago loves to tout its amazing architecture, it's mindbogling how much Chicagoans and politicians allow developers to destroy what makes this city special. Until we change our ways here, it's difficult to argue that Chicago loves its architecture (aside from a few trophy buildings). We can do so much better!
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