NEW YORK | Hudson Yards Phase 2 | 1,376 - 1,189 - 1,180 FT | 80/80/74 FLOORS

[Zapatan]

Man I hope they can clear the rezoning hurdles as buildings of this scale would be epic here.

A 1,350+ foot building isn't quite a signature tower as 30HY is nearly 1,300 feet but definitely more than I expected here.

Are these heights just the maximum allowable?

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

Man I hope they can clear the rezoning hurdles as buildings of this scale would be epic here.

A 1,350+ foot building isn't quite a signature tower as 30HY is nearly 1,300 feet but definitely more than I expected here.

Are these heights just the maximum allowable?

There is no height limit on site, and the site still isn't really that dense. It's zoned as a superblock, like the other railyard phase, and Manhattan West. The overall FAR still remains around 12. They're amending the layout, which shouldn't really be a problem since there originally wasn't supposed to be two towers in the middle of that phase (it was said because of the tunnel underneath). The affordable housing is still there, as is the school. The only thing changing is the increase in office space, and decrease in the number of condos. The # of affordable housing units will remain the same. The bigger battle is for the casino license itself.

[NYguy]

A reminder of what the current site zoning of the 6.2 msf is…






Compared to a shift in site plan, but still 6.2 msf…

[RobEss]

Hudson Yards will fail as a project if it doesn't implement a phase 2 that includes housing options that are available to more than just the upscale buyers that phase 1 catered to.

As things are, Hudson Yards is a fairly sterile development without really being a neighborhood in its own right. This is mostly because, by nature of being built over rail yards, it's a fairly isolated area, excepting the people visiting or commuting via the subway.

If the developers build just another towering, glorified pleasure palace akin to the grandeur of what the first phase promised, we will just get the same results - a half-empty mall, a closed attraction, and a series of glitzy parks that sit mostly unused.

We can and must do better. NYC is a city of people, not consumers.

[MAC123]

I mean you're just incorrect ^.

Hudson Yards has far from failed, it's basically sold out

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by RobEss

Hudson Yards will fail as a project if it doesn't implement a phase 2 that includes housing options that are available to more than just the upscale buyers that phase 1 catered to.

As things are, Hudson Yards is a fairly sterile development without really being a neighborhood in its own right. This is mostly because, by nature of being built over rail yards, it's a fairly isolated area, excepting the people visiting or commuting via the subway.

If the developers build just another towering, glorified pleasure palace akin to the grandeur of what the first phase promised, we will just get the same results - a half-empty mall, a closed attraction, and a series of glitzy parks that sit mostly unused.

Well, none of that is true. First of all, the railyard development was never meant to be some sort of housing development for affordable apartments. Sure, there are some affordable units that will be available. But to suggest this development is and was an affordable housing development means you just don't know how development works. The Hudson Yards itself was designed as an alternative business district, something that couldn't happen without the 7 line extension. Housing is needed all across the city, and can be built mostly across the city. The pandemic itself had an impact on the mall, but the Neiman Marcus space is was already bought by, and being developed as an extension of the Wells Fargo headquarters, another success by the City and Related.
https://newsroom.wf.com/English/news...-/default.aspx

In fact, the commercial component of the Hudson Yards has succeeded even Related's expectations, which is why things are shifting away from more residential, which can be built anywhere.

As far as Hudson Yards being a neighborhood in it's own right, the area is largely still being developed. You may not like that the mall is upscale, but it was always going to be that. Nobody was going to put up a platform over the railyards to put up minimal developments.

As for the casino being an empty attraction, that's just being silly. The casino complex, with it's clubs, restaurants, and theaters is the exact thing that the Hudson Yards needs to draw even more people there who otherwise wouldn't need to be over there. And it will tie in perfectly with the city and state's desire to draw more business to the convention center.

New York is a big city. There is a place for everything, but not everything belongs every place. All in all, the Hudson Yards is one of the biggest successes in the City. All you have to do is look at the skyline to see that.



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[Altoic]

Beautiful!

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Altoic

Beautiful!

I like the towers. I still think there's too much open space, but nothing to be done about that.

The podium could maybe use a little work, but at least it's not what I feared it would be looking at other Wynn casinos.

Also, I notice the "Wynn" branding at the top. I'm assuming that's what the signage special permit is for. I'm loving the treatment around the High Line though.

[TREPYE]

Originally Posted by NYguy

https://nypost.com/2024/03/13/us-new...asino-complex/


Promising renderings, BUT, I do not trust Related Companies...

In HY Phase 1 Related totally did a bait-and-switch on the tower designs.... In the competition for developing HY they fronted with having a proposal with several towers that had different textures and designs (and not just glass facades), but they ended up building a mass of glass constructs that by in large comes off grossly untextured and monolithic.

If they are going to do Phase 2 they have to be beholden contractually to not expand the glass blob they erected in Phase 1.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by TREPYE

https://nypost.com/2024/03/13/us-new...asino-complex/

In HY Phase 1 Related totally did a bait-and-switch on the tower designs.... In the competition for developing HY they fronted with having a proposal with several towers that had different textures and designs (and not just glass facades), but they ended up building a mass of glass constructs that by in large comes off grossly untextured and monolithic.

If they are going to do Phase 2 they have to be beholden contractually to not expand the glass blob they erected in Phase 1.

Not a bait-and-switch at all. You may not remember what the original planned towers looked like, but what we actually got is far superior, trust me. Of course, these designs will be refined more, that’s to be expected. We watched that play out in the last phase, really in most proposals.

Related had already had a few alterarions to the designated site plans.

[NYguy]

There have been a lot of changes over time. But this is the rendering of the site plan that Related won with. (They actually are the runner up, but that’s another story).





But after some changes were approved, they were moving forward with this version…






A change of heart (and design) got us here…






A design refined further still….










Some early designs which featured phase 2…















Closest we ever got to seeing any actual designs is a feature at the Edge…

[TREPYE]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Not a bait-and-switch at all. You may not remember what the original planned towers looked like, but what we actually got is far superior, trust me. Of course, these designs will be refined more, that’s to be expected. We watched that play out in the last phase, really in most proposals.

Related had already had a few alterarions to the designated site plans.

I remember very well this selling point because I was looking forward to see what they came up with, and being very disappointed with what they ended up putting up:

https://www.architecturalrecord.com/...ards-discussed

For Kohn Pedersen Fox, Arquitectonica, Robert A.M. Stern, and West 8, which collaborated on the proposal from the Related Companies and Goldman Sachs, the project is all about variety. “What we’re really talking about is trying to make a neighborhood for people to live and work in,” Stern said. “A New York neighborhood which is diverse in its functions, diverse in its architecture, diverse in its typologies, and one that can grow incrementally and change over time as the project goes forward, even after completion.” Hoping to reflect existing Manhattan city blocks more than a singular, super-sized development, the proposal calls for buildings of varying heights, styles, and materials, from bricks and mortar to glass.

"Variety".... not quite.

[Zapatan]

Is this a real design or just a concept? It looks amazing.

Where did you find those images?



We are becoming Shenzhen.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

Is this a real design or just a concept? It looks amazing.

Where did you find those images?



We are becoming Shenzhen.

They're all over. Some from the NY Post, just resized.


The more I look at it, the more I like the podium...

[NewYorkCity76]

Awesome!! The towers look huge there!!!!

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by NewYorkCity76

Awesome!! The towers look huge there!!!!

It looks like Calatrava is still on the residential tower, and Gehry still on the office. From what we can see so far, the residential tower seems the nicest. But one thing I'm not sure about, the Wynn tower and the residential are supposed to be nearly identical in height. But this rendering looks more in line with what was in the graphic - the Wynn tower being closer in height to the office building. I wonder if it was possible, as one article suggested, that the Wynn tower didn't take into account the height of the podium in the DEIS.

As for the podium, it's looking nicer and nicer. You would never think there was a casino in there. It doesn't have the cheap, gaudy look of most casino complexes.

[skeena222]

So New York gets 2 casinos;

1. Freedom Plaza, a destination for powerful international elites who want a place to wine and dine. Also, the first real answer the east side has had to the absolute blitz of development the west side has been going through.

2. Wynn NYC @ Hudson Yards, the big glitz and glam sendoff for Hudson Yards and perhaps the trend of development on the west side more permanently. There will be more, but it won't come as quickly and as easily after this.

[MAC123]

Originally Posted by skeena222

So New York gets 2 casinos;

1. Freedom Plaza, a destination for powerful international elites who want a place to wine and dine. Also, the first real answer the east side has had to the absolute blitz of development the west side has been going through.

2. Wynn NYC @ Hudson Yards, the big glitz and glam sendoff for Hudson Yards and perhaps the trend of development on the west side more permanently. There will be more, but it won't come as quickly and as easily after this.

We can start with the fact those are both proposals, and far from the only 2.
"and perhaps the trend of development on the west side more permanently." Not even close. It's not even the biggest development on the west side anymore.

[skeena222]

Originally Posted by MAC123

We can start with the fact those are both proposals, and far from the only 2.
"and perhaps the trend of development on the west side more permanently." Not even close. It's not even the biggest development on the west side anymore.

Could you point me to a bigger development? Is it the PABT towers or are those going to be smaller?

[ChiND]

This looks incredible. I hope that Ross/Wynn prevail. I also hope that this project will include Wynn’s signature water features.