TCH east of Nipigon (La route transcanadienne à l'est de Nipigon)

[vid]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Ps: Funny enough, Michael Gravelle has advocated for twinning between T Bay and Nipigon and west of Nipigon, but he never said anything about the segment between Sistonens Corner and Shabaqua Corner.

Not his riding, and Mauro's pet project is health care, not highways. People in that area aren't crying for a new highway, they're mostly satisfied with what they have. It was Gravelle's constituents who wanted the freeway upgrade.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by vid

Not his riding, and Mauro's pet project is health care, not highways. People in that area aren't crying for a new highway, they're mostly satisfied with what they have. It was Gravelle's constituents who wanted the freeway upgrade.

Is all of his riding served by a freeway on 17?

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

If 17 was divided west of Thunder Bay and east of Sault St Marie, and if 11 was divided between North Bay and Nipigon, that would please most people.

I've already lost count of how many times you've advocated this.

I guess the real question is: Knowing that such project costs billions of dollars, and assuming that the Feds aren't gonna help, how is the province gonna raise that much money in such a short time without borrowing significantly?

I'm gonna say something dirty: The province should up the speed limit but also up the speeding fines even more.
If the province gets a portion of traffic fines, if should ask OPP to enforce some rules more vigorously, i.e. move-over for emergency vehicles, no camping in the left lane (on freeways), no distracted driving (defined as the driver not looking ahead, lane changes excepted), improper lane changes (i.e. cutting people off), passing on the right, trucks going at more than 105 kph. You name it.
Then we should also have this rule where, on a 2-lane road, if there are 4 or more vehicles behind the first one, it needs to pull over and let the rest pass or else the driver can get ticketed for holding up traffic.
Then cops should actually start ticketing people at 21 kph over or 16 kph below the speed limit.
Meanwhile, with higher speed comes higher fuel consumption, which means more money for the government either through carbon tax (if not axed) or income tax (from the convenient stores).

Any cleaner ideas?

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I've already lost count of how many times you've advocated this. :p

I guess the real question is: Knowing that such project costs billions of dollars, and assuming that the Feds aren't gonna help, how is the province gonna raise that much money in such a short time without borrowing significantly?

I'm gonna say something dirty: The province should up the speed limit but also up the speeding fines even more.
Assuming it gets a portion of traffic fines, OPP should enforce some rules more vigorously, i.e. move-over for emergency vehicles, no camping in the left lane (on freeways), no distracted driving (not just cellphone use but also not paying attention to roads), and actually start ticketing people at 21 kph over or 16 kph below the speed limit.
Meanwhile, with higher speed comes higher fuel consumption, which means more money for the government either through carbon tax (if not axed) or income tax (from the convenient stores).

I have always thought that they should simply stick a zero on the end of speeding fines under 50 over.

I am fan of higher speed limits to some degree. The 2 lanes should not be much higher than 90.

And I will always advocate that plan. Figure I will say it once per page.

[Loco101]

I would like to see photo radar at select places to stop extreme speeding. Having police officers only is very expensive.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

I have always thought that they should simply stick a zero on the end of speeding fines under 50 over.

I am fan of higher speed limits to some degree. The 2 lanes should not be much higher than 90.

And I will always advocate that plan. Figure I will say it once per page.

You should be an MPP instead.
Also what riding does Shabaqua Corner belong in?

For the 2-lane portion, some can be raised to 100 kph (especially 11 between Longlac and Hearst) but cop must stop cars at 121 kph.

While I propose that the fines for 20 kph over will drop from the current $95 to $80 (to discourage cops from giving out tickets at 120 kph; I find that annoying), the fines for 21 ~ 30 kph shall be 6 times the speed over ($126 ~ $180), then 8 times the speed over for 31 ~ 40 kph ($248 ~ $320), finally 10 times the speed over for 41 ~ 49 kph.

For 50 kph over or more, it should range between $4,000 and $20,000.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Loco101

I would like to see photo radar at select places to stop extreme speeding. Having police officers only is very expensive.

If it's simply egregious speeders, then sure. I personally don't want a photo radar unless the speed limit is 120 kph though.

If it's DUI, though, you still need cops to catch that. There are quite a few things that a photo radar won't do. Well, we can use advanced ones (that perform facial recognition, can tell if DUI is involved, and can tell if the car is stolen, etc.) but those are expensive stuff yo.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

You should be an MPP instead.
Also what riding does Shabaqua Corner belong in?

For the 2-lane portion, some can be raised to 100 kph but cop must stop cars at 121 kph.

While I propose that the fines for 20 kph over will drop from the current $95 to $80 (to discourage cops from giving out tickets at 120 kph; I find that annoying), the fines for 21 ~ 30 kph shall be 6 times the speed over ($126 ~ $180), then 8 times the speed over for 31 ~ 40 kph ($248 ~ $320), finally 10 times the speed over for 41 ~ 49 kph.

For 50 kph over or more, it should range between $4,000 and $20,000.

I would have, if the NOP hadn't been so anti democracy.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

I would have, if the NOP hadn't been so anti democracy.

Ever considered starting your own party then?
I heard it's a costly business but someone's gotta do it.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Ever considered starting your own party then?
I heard it's a costly business but someone's gotta do it.

At this point, I could be an independent and do better than most of the yahoos on thee ballot.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

I would have, if the NOP hadn't been so anti democracy.

Same here. The NOP has been quite strange and uninteresting in my opinion.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Loco101

Same here. The NOP has been quite strange and uninteresting in my opinion.

I was (am) a member for a few months. Eventually i realized they were no better than the other parties.

[Dengler Avenue]

Does the governing power really listen to independent MPP's though? Or is it in any way motivated to do so??

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Does the governing power really listen to independent MPP's though? Or is it in any way motivated to do so??

If the PCs or NDP can get their act together, I predict we will have a minority government. Independents matter then.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

If the PCs or NDP can get their act together, I predict we will have a minority government. Independents matter then.

But then (in that case) Wynne will call a snap election in 2020 and what happened in 2014 may happen once again. D:

Also, what about a coalition then? Do independents matter in that scenario too?

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

But then (in that case) Wynne will call a snap election in 2020 and what happened in 2014 may happen once again. D:

Also, what about a coalition then? Do independents matter in that scenario too?

All I know is that this election will be a nail biter.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

All I know is that this election will be a nail biter.

In hindsight though, if you had known earlier, you could have run for independent MPP.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

In hindsight though, if you had known earlier, you could have run for independent MPP.

Once I saw how dirty all politicians and political parties are, I think I will let the pigs fight each other for the slop trough.

[Dengler Avenue]

Only if there were some ways to sever the tie between politics and something like this (or infrastructure improvement in general)...

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Only if there were some ways to sever the tie between politics and something like this (or infrastructure improvement in general)...

You figure that out, and the world will have changed as we know it.