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[NYguy]

Dying to know what Related has proposed here...


https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/n...?adppopup=true

[NYguy]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic..._medium=social

NYC’s Long-Awaited Rail Tunnel Set to Get Shovels in the Ground
-Tunnel under Hudson not expected to be completed until 2035
-Construction in Hudson Yards to start in coming weeks


By Skylar Woodhouse
August 10, 2023

Evidence of the $16.1 billion, long-delayed, once-canceled effort to build a new tunnel linking New York and New Jersey will finally start appearing on Manhattan streets in the coming weeks.

Work is set to begin in Hudson Yards, the waterfront neighborhood on Manhattan’s west side, on a link to connect Penn Station with the Hudson Tunnel, the new regional and commuter rail link known as the Gateway project.

“I didn’t think a year ago that we were gonna be in a position where I could say, wow, we’re gonna see a shovel in the ground,” said Alicia Glen, New York commissioner and co-chair of the Gateway Development Commission, in an interview Wednesday. “But I feel pretty good about that.”

Construction was able to move forward after President Joe Biden announced a $292 million grant in January, allowing the commission in May to award a contract to Amtrak to begin work on the Hudson Yards link.

“I have never seen such tremendous movement that we’ve seen in the past year,” said Glen’s New Jersey counterpart, Balpreet Grewal-Virk.

Gateway is key to easing congestion under the Hudson River, a choke point on the Northeast Corridor that runs between Boston and Washington, the country’s busiest passenger-train route. The existing tunnel is more than a century old and increasingly unreliable, Amtrak says.

Efforts to build a new tunnel have been underway since the 1990s but have been plagued by delays.

A predecessor tunnel project, with full funding in place, had started construction when it was canceled by then-New Jersey Governor Chris Christie in 2010, who said the state couldn’t afford it. Gateway was proposed a year later but stalled under the Trump administration.

“We are going to put whatever sort of negative juju there had been about this project over the past ten years aside, and just concentrate on getting it done,” Glen said.

[Busy Bee]

Stakes is high

[Charmy2]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

Stakes is high

This made me giggle.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by MAC123

^Let's not ignore site 4 at the PABT. That's also a contender to look out for.

That's still on the boards, though it hardly makes any news because it's part of a large redevelopment that will be built on Port Authority land, unlike the Penn Station redevelopment.

Originally Posted by MAC123

But speaking of this site, I wonder what they'll do at the base to spice it up? Mini waterfall? Large fountain? It'll be interesting to wait and see.

There was talk in an earlier article posted here of a waterfall, and one of the animated characters. Don't know if that was before the revised plans. Here it is again, sounds like the hotel has grown in size since then...

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/19/n...quare.amp.html

October 29, 2022

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-in-casino-bid

NYC Hudson Yards Developer Pitches 1,500-Room Resort in Casino Bid

December 7, 2022

The current proposal calls for a 1,700 room hotel. At 3 msf of floor space, the total size would be somewhere between 3 and 4 msf. A huge development on its own.

[NYguy]

A look at the distribution of development, pre-casino proposal...

[DCReid]

Originally Posted by NYguy

A look at the distribution of development, pre-casino proposal...

I hope they swap the office/retail lot plan with the residential/school lot. It seems that if they don't, we may get another fat boxy tower that will not be taller than 1000 feet so as not to spoil the view of 30 HY observation deck, whereas a taller tower on the other side (residential/school lot) would not spoil the view and would also better balance out the skyline in this area.

[Zapatan]

If 175 Park Avenue, Affirmation Tower and another ~500 meter tower here all manage to get built that would blow minds. Midtown alone is already one of the best skylines on earth.

I guess that's a big if but still fun to think about.

[MAC123]

^Let's not ignore site 4 at the PABT. That's also a contender to look out for.

[Sky88]

^Yes, site 4 at the PABT but and 360 10th Avenue too.

[MAC123]

But speaking of this site, I wonder what they'll do at the base to spice it up? Mini waterfall? Large fountain? It'll be interesting to wait and see.

[Busy Bee]

Originally Posted by MAC123

But speaking of this site, I wonder what they'll do at the base to spice it up? Mini waterfall? Large fountain? It'll be interesting to wait and see.

Tubes on the facade that shoot out and reign down cash at the top of the hour every hour. That or full frontal nudity.

[artspook]

Wow ! Now that’s some great architecture, Sky88 !

[philip]

A school next to a casino. You have to be freaking kidding me.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by philip

A school next to a casino. You have to be freaking kidding me.

Yes, they need to lower the legal age so the kids can gamble. All dollars matter.

[mrnyc]

i hope they get a casino so they can get crackin.

a deck over the railyard ain’t gonna build itself.

so when are the casino awards supposed to be made?

after hochul and adams’ cayman and swiss bank accounts get a little fluffier?

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

i hope they get a casino so they can get crackin.

a deck over the railyard ain’t gonna build itself.

so when are the casino awards supposed to be made?

after hochul and adams’ cayman and swiss bank accounts get a little fluffier?

They are supposed to be in the second phase of "questioning" right now. It looks like they are a couple of months (at least) behind the schedule that was given. There are a lot of issues that have to be worked out before applications can even be considered for a license, including the ULURP approvals process, which itself can take 6 to 7 months. It's the convoluted way the state has the process set up. There is opposition at every corner to a proposed casino (there is opposition to everything, so no surprise).

But New Yorkers voted to allow casinos, it's not clear why the state needed to subject this to the whims of community boards, even if their voices are advisory only. You need strong, local politicians to stand up and say this is a win-win, and so far you haven't been seeing that for any of the city proposals. You need balls to get anything big done in the city. So this is taken longer, (palms are getting greasier), but some bids are being publicly shown. Related has chosen to keep its been out of the public eye.

But the certainty is that there are three casinos coming to the area. How it works itself out remains to be seen, but there will be some unhappy people. They'll get over it.

[mrnyc]

^ alrighty then, lets get right to starting up the westside yards deck asap —
hopefully a casino award puts that over the top —

[Busy Bee]

Still bonkers Neiman Marcus opened and closed the store all in under two years. Really a flawed location from the beginning though. Whoever thought opening a luxury department store at Hudson Yds instead of a more traditional retail street was a good idea anyways. The space did look excellent though, but the combination of dept store challenges, Neiman's specific business condition, Covid and the location, it was doomed from the start. Who knows, maybe of they ever return to NY a more obvious location like Fifth Av would be possible. Using the retail base as office is gonna look a bit goofy just architecturally though.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

Using the retail base as office is gonna look a bit goofy just architecturally though.

They aren't using the retail base for office. The shopping center, which is successful, is remaining, except for the short-lived Neiman Marcus on the top two floors (6 & 7). Those floors are being combined with the 8th floor, which was also supposed to be Neiman Marcus, but they never even used that floor.

From street level, and from the retail atrium, I don't think there would be any visible change. It's empty floors above the atrium.