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Old Posted Apr 21, 2023, 9:10 PM
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I thought April Fools Day was three weeks ago?

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West Vancouver planning Ambleside densification with more housing



Three possible scenarios are being considered to densify the Ambleside neighbourhood of West Vancouver with more housing.

The new building forms would generally be new mid-rise buildings with heights ranging from five to nine storeys, with each option greatly varying in the number of buildings of a certain height...
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2023, 10:38 PM
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^^ Too dense, back to the drawing board for another three year review..
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2023, 11:03 PM
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^^ Too dense, back to the drawing board for another three year review..
This has been in planning for years.

Expect many more years of planning to come!

Even if this does come to fruition, my understanding is Dundarave went through a similar process years ago and actually got approved... and then every development application was rejected. Well, let's be fair, a lot of SFH rebuilds were approved.
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2023, 12:16 AM
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100 Forester Street (HTEC Hydrogen Liquefaction Plant)

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Hydrogen Technology and Energy Corporation (HTEC) has applied to develop a hydrogen liquefaction plant on the southwest portion of an existing 19 acre industrial site occupied by an ERCO Worldwide manufacturing facility
https://www.dnv.org/100-forester-str...efaction-plant

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https://dnv.civilspace.io/en/project...rogen-facility

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Public information meeting for 100 Forester Street
Thursday, Apr 27, 2023 - 5:00pm - 6:30pm
Kenneth Gordon Maplewood School Gymnasium - 420 Seymour River Place
https://www.dnv.org/events/public-in...orester-street

This claims it will capture enough hydrogen from existing operations to power either >30,000 light vehicles or 500 heavy duty trucks, resulting in a reduction of 141 kilotons of Co2 emissions per year, which seems like a pretty cool thing.
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2023, 2:08 AM
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https://www.dnv.org/100-forester-str...efaction-plant

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https://dnv.civilspace.io/en/project...rogen-facility

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Public information meeting for 100 Forester Street
Thursday, Apr 27, 2023 - 5:00pm - 6:30pm
Kenneth Gordon Maplewood School Gymnasium - 420 Seymour River Place
https://www.dnv.org/events/public-in...orester-street

This claims it will capture enough hydrogen from existing operations to power either >30,000 light vehicles or 500 heavy duty trucks, resulting in a reduction of 141 kilotons of Co2 emissions per year, which seems like a pretty cool thing.
I wonder what the blast radius is from a hydrogen storage tank?
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2023, 4:58 AM
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I wonder what the blast radius is from a hydrogen storage tank?
Think it would reach the bridge?


https://www.dnv.org/100-forester-str...efaction-plant
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2023, 5:10 AM
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Think it would reach the bridge?
If the operation is anything like this Chinese one, it probably wouldn't. I can't see any details of the volume of storage planned in the application.
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2023, 5:11 AM
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Assuming incidents with a 457m containment radius are the norm, Second Narrows will be fine... though I'd suggest avoiding Dollarton for the afternoon.
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Proposal for Lynn Valley Safeway Redevelopment Includes 417 Units, New Store
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Crombie REIT has unveiled the latest design plan for redevelopment of the Lynn Valley Safeway site at 1170 East 27th Avenue in North Vancouver.

A preliminary application for redevelopment of the 2.8 acre site was first submitted in 2021. The design has now been revised and is ready for early input at District of North Vancouver council.

The proposal for the site is a mixed-use development with multiple residential buildings above a replacement Safeway store.

Details of the proposal include:
  • 417 residential units;
  • 269 condo units & 148 rental units (including below market/social);
  • building heights from 6-12 storeys;
  • a total density of 3.5 FSR;
  • 607 underground parking stalls;
  • a new 43,604 SF Safeway store;
  • 1,840 SF of new retail space.
https://vancouvermarket.ca/2023/04/2...its-new-store/


https://vancouvermarket.ca/2023/04/2...its-new-store/


https://vancouvermarket.ca/2023/04/2...its-new-store/


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https://vancouvermarket.ca/2023/04/2...its-new-store/
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2023, 5:21 AM
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I believe hydrogen won't detonate and cause a pressure wave, only subsonic deflagration.
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would it reach the bridge

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To answer this question, "would it reach the bridge", you must know something about explosions.
Doubling the force of an explosion does NOT double the reach of that explosion. There is a geometric die off of the blast effects (blast, heat, etc.) as distance increases from the epicenter.
Doubling the force increases the distance from the epicenter perhaps only 10 to 15%.
On top of which, the bridge presents no cross section (think of a sail on a sailboat), to an explosion. Whatever did reach it from the suggested blast site would simply swirl around the bridge members.
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nevermind the bridge, what about the Canexus chlorine plant?
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This article suggests the storage capacity is low and would be underground? But how much of the 15 tonnes of hydrogen produced a day is getting "captured" with that storage capacity? You can support 30,000 cars with the tank capacity of one gas station?

And you have to assume the new bridge to support a Skytrain link would run along that side of the Second Narrows. I guess with industrial fire that isn't close enough for explosion damage the highest risk would be from whatever is in the plume cloud.

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When fully online, the amount of energy stored as hydrogen on the HTEC site is less than what a typical gas station would have in its underground tanks, Russell said.
https://www.nsnews.com/local-news/hy...rfront-6215593
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2023, 9:32 PM
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This article suggests the storage capacity is low and would be underground? But how much of the 15 tonnes of hydrogen produced a day is getting "captured" with that storage capacity? You can support 30,000 cars with the tank capacity of one gas station?
I take it the on site storage would mainly act as a buffer in order to fill their distribution trucks and that production would be be directly based on demand with the rest of the available hydrogen vented as it is now.
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They're not storing fertilizer or ammunition here, it's just hydrogen. No worse than natural gas. Think of the Hindenberg disaster. Big fire killing everyone on board? Yes. Killing everyone in a 1km radius? Not so much.
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2023, 12:41 AM
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Capital Regional District report on ZEV.

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A typical fueling station will have from 76 000 to 284 000 liters of gasoline on site at a time, while the current hydrogen station configurations will have 50kg to 1 000 kg on site. Typical gasoline tankers will carry 34 000 liters of gasoline, while hydrogen delivery vehicles will carry 100 to 300 kg of the gas.
https://www.crd.bc.ca/docs/default-s...rsn=dc99f9ca_2

Fortis report says 18,500 kilograms of hydrogen from chlorine production per day in BC

https://www.cdn.fortisbc.com/librari...2022-03-11.pdf

BC Govt on hydrogen station permitting

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In BC, all of the hydrogen refuelling stations currently receive gaseous hydrogen deliveries. Liquid deliveries have not been considered as the setback requirements associated with liquid hydrogen equipment are far greater than those for gaseous hydrogen and are challenging to accommodate in the confined footprint of an urban refuelling station. However, in California, as hydrogen demand and station capacity have increased, liquid hydrogen deliveries are becoming the standard, and ultimately, station design and deliveries in BC will involve liquid hydrogen as well.
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/go...c_june2022.pdf

DNV risk study of Maplewood in 2012

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HTEC Hydrogen
Explosion
Can impact up to 200 metres from the site location and will not impact beyond the property line
Radiant heat 100m/Explosion shockwave 200m. Not sure of the differences in storage.

https://www.dnv.org/sites/default/fi...-dpa-study.pdf
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The latest plan for a major redevelopment of the Safeway site in Lynn Valley, which now includes a new fire hall, is getting a cool-to-tepid response from District of North Vancouver council.

Crombie REIT’s latest proposal for the site includes a series of mixed use buildings ranging from six to 12 storeys in height, containing a new grocery store, restaurant, smaller commercial units, two public plazas and 417 new homes, 148 of which would be purpose-built rentals. A portion of those would be social housing, although the exact number wouldn’t be known until the developer has done a pro forma analysis.

The proposal also now includes a new fire hall to replace the existing 50-year-old one on Lynn Valley Road, which only has about 10 years of useful life left in it, according to staff. If the district were to go ahead with the plan, the fire hall property could later be redeveloped to include affordable housing, a youth centre and/or child care.

The project does meet the guidelines set out for the site in the district’s official community plan, staff say.

When council members were given the opportunity to sound off on the latest iteration, it got mixed reviews.

For some on council, including Couns. Betty Forbes, Lisa Muri and Jim Hanson, the plan was simply too big, too expensive, bringing too many people and cars to the area with too little benefit in exchange.

“With all due respect to the designers, it reminds me of a U.S. prison work yard in the centre, so, needless to say, my comment is that I don’t like it,” Forbes said.

Hanson said he’d be open to the density but not with so many market strata units.

“I certainly would not approve the proposal in its existing form. If we are doing this type of density in this type of location, I would have to see a lot more rentals. I would have to see affordable housing that really does respond to the desperate needs of our community at this time," he said.

Mayor Mike Little noted that he voted in favour of all of the land use, density and height guidelines that apply to the site so he didn’t have any major issues with the size and scope of the project. He said he was open to the addition of the fire hall, but he said he was skeptical about whether it would be a significant enough community benefit to justify the project’s density.

“I’m still wrestling as to how can we justify this as a significant benefit when that’s exactly what those maximum densities were to be reserved for,” he said.

Coun. Catherine Pope put plainly that the fire hall should be nixed from the project and replaced with more homes that would rent for no more than 30 per cent of a household’s income.

“Come on, it could be seven to 10 years away before a shovel even goes in the ground for affordable housing at the old fire hall site,” she said. “We are in a housing crisis. That means today. People are desperately needing homes today, as we’ve heard over and over and over again.”

The developer will now take the feedback offered by council and decide whether to make changes before bringing the proposal back for a vote by council.

The proposal to redevelop the adjacent Black Bear Pub into a six-storey building with 98 purpose-built rental apartments and 12,000 square feet of commercial space on the ground floor, meanwhile, has since been withdrawn, according to staff.
https://www.nsnews.com/local-news/ly...eviews-6961560
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“With all due respect to the designers, it reminds me of a U.S. prison work yard in the centre, so, needless to say, my comment is that I don’t like it,” Forbes said.
If I could give one compliment to the pigeon bitch, it's that at least she's very consistent. She's the only one who voted against creating a portal on the DNV website to view council member voting history. Wonder why.

On the other hand, I was worried that Pope would be another suburban NIMBY voice but I didn't know just how wrong I would be.

As long as Mike Little is in support, this development will probably go through. Back and Pope are solid YIMBY voices and Mah looks to generally be dependable.
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Old Posted May 18, 2023, 12:03 AM
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Here's the risk assessment on the hydrogen plant for the NV rezoning:

https://www.dnv.org/sites/default/fi...edium=referral
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Old Posted May 31, 2023, 10:32 PM
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We may be seeing significantly more development of higher-density housing on the North Shore. BC's Ministry of Housing has announced the first ten municipalities that will be given housing construction targets, and the Districts of North and West Vancouver are on the list:

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Housing targets expected to deliver more homes faster, first communities selected

....The Housing Supply Act gives the Province the authority to set housing targets in municipalities, starting with those with the greatest need and highest projected growth. The targets will encourage municipalities to address local barriers to construction so that housing can get built faster, including updating zoning bylaws and streamlining local development approval processes....
Other municipalities on the list include Abbotsford, Delta, Kamloops, Oak Bay, Port Moody, Saanich, Vancouver, and Victoria. Another ten municipalities will be added to the process in the fall.



Thanks to GenWhy? for originally posting the news release in the BC Politics forum.
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