CHICAGO | General Discussions

[Steely Dan]

one of the interesting aspects about metro chicago's meager growth this past 10 years has been the radical slowdown of the great cornfield-eating sprawl machine.

i think things have sprawled out so far from the city in most directions, that distances have now finally gotten "too damn far".

Just look at the MASSIVE slowdowns in Lake, Mchenry, Kane, and Will Counties. Dupage was slow too, but it was fully built-out by the previous census.

Even Kendall County, while growing much faster than the MSA overall, still saw a gigantic drop in it's growth rate relative to previous decades.

and its higher percentage is more a function of its low base, in raw numbers it only added ~17,000 people. in the '00s it added nearly 60,000 people, more than doubling it!


it still boggles my mind that the city of chicago actually grew a little bit faster than suburban cook, lake, mchenry, dupage and kane counties. and it wasn't all that far behind former cornfield-gobbler will county.

and in raw numbers, more than half of the MSA's growth was in the core county of Cook. take that, you stupid fucking sprawl!




City of Chicago:

1950: 3,620,962 | 6.6%
1960: 3,550,404 | −1.9%
1970: 3,366,957 | −5.2%
1980: 3,005,072 | −10.7%
1990: 2,783,726 | −7.4%
2000: 2,896,016 | 4.0%
2010: 2,695,598 | −6.9%
2020; 2,746,388 | 1.9%




Cook County (including the city):

1950: 4,508,792 | 11.0%
1960: 5,129,725 | 13.8%
1970: 5,492,369 | 7.1%
1980: 5,253,655 | −4.3%
1990: 5,105,067 | −2.8%
2000: 5,376,741 | 5.3%
2010: 5,194,675 | −3.4%
2020: 5,275,541 | 1.6%



Lake County:

1950: 179,097 | 47.9%
1960: 293,656 | 64.0%
1970: 382,638 | 30.3%
1980: 440,372 | 15.1%
1990: 516,418 | 17.3%
2000: 644,356 | 24.8%
2010: 703,462 | 9.2%
2020: 714,342 | 1.5%



Mchenry County:

1950: 50,656 | 35.8%
1960: 84,210 | 66.2%
1970: 111,555 | 32.5%
1980: 147,897 | 32.6%
1990: 183,241 | 23.9%
2000: 260,075 | 18.7%
2010: 308,760 | 18.7%
2020: 310,229 | 0.5%



Dupage County:

1950: 154,599 | 49.4%
1960: 313,459 | 102.8%
1970: 491,882 | 56.9%
1980: 658,835 | 33.9%
1990: 781,666 | 18.6%
2000: 904,161 | 15.7%
2010: 916,924 | 1.4%
2020: 932,877 | 1.7%



Kane County:

1950: 150,388 | 15.5%
1960: 208,246 | 38.5%
1970: 251,005 | 20.5%
1980: 278,405 | 10.9%
1990: 317,471 | 14.0%
2000: 404,119 | 27.3%
2010: 515,269 | 27.5%
2020: 516,522 | 0.2%



Will County:

1950: 134,336 | 17.6%
1960: 191,617 | 42.6%
1970: 249,498 | 30.2%
1980: 324,460 | 30.0%
1990: 357,313 | 10.1%
2000: 502,266 | 40.6%
2010: 677,560 | 34.9%
2020: 696,355 | 2.8%



Kendall County:

1950: 12,115 | 9.1%
1960: 17,540 | 44.8%
1970: 26,374 | 50.4%
1980: 37,202 | 41.1%
1990: 39,413 | 5.9%
2000: 54,544 | 38.4%
2010: 114,736 | 110.4%
2020: 131,869 | 14.9%

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

Dubious claim.

Very UNDUBIOUS!!

[left of center]

If Chicago had the same area as Houston, this would not even be a contest. Houston is 640 sq mi (land only) to Chicago's 227 sq mi (and literally 6% of the land area constitutes airports!). Cook County is 945 sq mi. If the city annexed enough of the county to get to Houston's land area size, and assuming it annexed the most dense townships, we would probably be about 4.5 million easily.

This is why city limits population does not matter. Houston proper might be a few hundred thousand short of Chicago, but the Chicago MSA is still millions more than the Houston MSA.

[galleyfox]

Link for neighborhoods

2010 to 2020
Population/Change
Household/Change
Housing Unit/Change

Jesus. Those household numbers.

Almost every neighborhood in the city except Englewood, West Englewood, Roseland, Mt. Greenwood, Burnside and Fuller Park is either stable…or seeing incredible increase in households.

Austin, for example, lost 1957 or -1.99% of its population, but households increased by 3072 or 9.37% and housing units increased by 1263 or 3.31%.



https://gist.github.com/nmpeterson/5...348ca1903099e0

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by galleyfox

Link for neighborhoods

2010 to 2020
Population/Change
Household/Change
Housing Unit/Change

https://gist.github.com/nmpeterson/5...348ca1903099e0

Thanks - pretty much aligns with what I have. Of the 77 community areas, 28 of them had populations in 2020 greater than what they had in 2000. A few more were very close but had slightly down populations.

The west side areas of Lawndale, Garfield Park, Austin, and Lower West Side have 76,000 fewer people today than in 2000. The south side areas of Englewood/West Englewood, Auburn Gresham, Roseland, West Pullman, New City, South Shore, Greater Grand Crossing, South Chicago, Chatham, Chicago Lawn, Washington Heights, Morgan Park, Pullman, and Avalon Park are down nearly 125,000 people. On the flip side of these, Near North/South/West + The Loop + Lincoln Park + Lakeview + North Center + West Town is up over 117,000 people. The density of this area increased from 26,895 ppsm in 2000 to 34,342 ppsm in 2020


Here are the densest community areas of Chicago now:

1. Near North Side: 38,459.4 ppsm
2. Lake View: 33,071.9 ppsm
3. Edgewater: 32,409.3 ppsm
4. Rogers Park: 30,276.3 ppsm
5. The Loop: 25,548.1 ppsm
6. Albany Park: 25,198.1 ppsm
7. Uptown: 24,604.3 ppsm
8. Lincoln Park: 22,284.5 ppsm
9. West Ridge: 21,843.7 ppsm
10. Hermosa: 20,576.8 ppsm
11. Logan Square: 19,967.6 ppsm
12. Belmont Cragin: 19,961 ppsm
13. West Town: 19,184.5 ppsm
14. South Shore: 18,399.5 ppsm
15. Kenwood: 18,356 ppsm
16. Avondale: 18,281.3 ppsm
17. Hyde Park: 18,262 ppsm
18. Gage Park: 17,987 ppsm
19. North Center: 17,157.6 ppsm
20. Brighton Park: 16,549.3 ppsm
21. Irving Park: 16,158.7 ppsm
22. Near South Side: 16,152.9 ppsm
23. Bridgeport: 16,118.1 ppsm
24. Portage Park: 15,943.1 ppsm
25. Chicago Lawn: 15,865.5 ppsm


The area of Near South, Near North, The Loop, Lincoln Park, Lakeview, Uptown, Edgewater, and Rogers Park combined is 28,282.2 ppsm with a total population of 519,222 people. For the record that is larger than Atlanta, Miami, Oakland, Minneapolis, etc. Total population change of this area between 2010 and 2020 was +61,707 people or +13.49% which was actually higher than Miami, Oakland, Minneapolis, etc.


Hopefully the city can stabilize parts of the south and west sides. Painfully obvious to be vital for the future of the city IMO. It is shocking how many people those areas have lost even while certain parts of the south side have gained (like the south lake front) as well as the core and a bit of the north side.

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by marothisu

The area of Near South, Near North, The Loop, Lincoln Park, Lakeview, Uptown, Edgewater, and Rogers Park combined is 28,282.2 ppsm with a total population of 519,222 people. For the record that is larger than Atlanta, Miami, Oakland, Minneapolis, etc.

^ Broken down like that, that’s phenomenal. Somebody once said that Chicago is a sunbelt city inside of a rustbelt city, and the numbers really show that.

What I wonder is how Chicago’s population growth would have looked if the black population had remained unchanged from 2010-2020? Would it have matched New York City’s growth rate?

[the urban politician]

I’m also impressed by how Chicago City proper grew faster than Lake, McHenry, DuPage, and Kane Counties. I believe even Cook County outgrew them all too.

I mean, that’s a subtle reversal of the typical American demographic story where suburban and exurban counties almost always are the growth center of the region

[LouisVanDerWright]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

Dubious claim.

Originally Posted by the urban politician

I’m also impressed by how Chicago City proper grew faster than Lake, McHenry, DuPage, and Kane Counties. I believe even Cook County outgrew them all too.

I mean, that’s a subtle reversal of the typical American demographic story where suburban and exurban counties almost always are the growth center of the region

I'm surprised that a die hard Libertyvillephile like yourself would be impressed by such statistics...

[Vlajos]

^ this is going to cause some huge political fights over representation. Chicago's city council is overrepresented by blacks and under represented by Hispanics and Asians.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/polit...rri-story.html

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

^ this is going to cause some huge political fights over representation. Chicago's city council is overrepresented by blacks and under represented by Hispanics and Asians.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/polit...rri-story.html

Jesus.

These race-obsessed people are literally talking about drawing wards to keep a majority race in power.

1. The race of the elected person shouldn't be reliant on the race of the ward.
2. This just causes so much division. My alderman is a black woman. I. Don't. Care. She is actually pretty responsive to community concerns. I don't think if she was white things would be any different.
3. This place will never function correctly with people like this in power.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by jtown,man

Jesus.

These race-obsessed people are literally talking about drawing wards to keep a majority race in power.

1. The race of the elected person shouldn't be reliant on the race of the ward.
2. This just causes so much division. My alderman is a black woman. I. Don't. Care. She is actually pretty responsive to community concerns. I don't think if she was white things would be any different.
3. This place will never function correctly with people like this in power.

Agree that's ita ridiculous but wait lol do you really think this is just a Chicago thing....? This is literally a problem everywhere in the US especially places with enough people and some sort of diversity.

[the urban politician]

^ There is not a single Asian council member in Chicago

At over 6% of the city’s population, that would mean at least 2 council members would be justified

[Steely Dan]

^ I thought I read that Asian-americans are now over 7% of the city.

If we're doing a hypothetical straight 1:1 demographic group to alderman exercise, that translates to 3-4 alderman.

Of course in reality, a very large percentage of Chicago's Asians live in pretty mixed neighborhoods like uptown, west ridge, Albany park, etc. where straight 1:1 demographic group to alderman doesn't really work like it does in other areas of the city that are much more monolithically a single macro-demo.

[Klippenstein]

Oh! I just thought of something else. Could Chicago become a "megacity" by 2030? Possibly.

If my math is right Chicago MSA would need to grow by just under 4% in the next decade to reach that distinction. Seems possible especially since that was basically the growth rate between 2000-2010.

[sentinel]

Originally Posted by Klippenstein

Oh! I just thought of something else. Could Chicago become a "megacity" by 2030? Possibly.

If my math is right Chicago MSA would need to grow by just under 4% in the next decade to reach that distinction. Seems possible especially since that was basically the growth rate between 2000-2010.

As sprawl continues west and south in Chicagoland, I can foresee the greater Rockford MSA being engulfed as part of the greater Chicago MSA. There's 330,000 people in that area, that's enough to put Chicagoland over 10 Million. Right now, the eastern part of Rockford/Belvidere is only 30 minutes/35 miles from Huntley, and even 10 minutes/10 miles less to Marengo. It's not out of the realm of possibilities...especially with additional growth after the next Reverse Migration back north when climate change engulfs most of the Gulf coast and FL, and the 135F average degree days make Phoenix unlivable, both in 2036

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by sentinel

As sprawl continues west and south in Chicagoland, I can foresee the greater Rockford MSA being engulfed as part of the greater Chicago MSA.

Except that sprawl to the west and northwest (the general direction to Rockford) largely ground to a halt last decade.

McHenry county only grew by +0.5%.

Kane county only grew by +0.2%.

And Dekalb and Boone counties actually LOST people, -4.5% and -1.3%, respectively.

On balance, that 4 county area between Chicagoland and Rockford lost a total of ~2,500 people!


Kendall county is the only exurban county that you could say saw moderate growth at +14.5%, but that's the wrong direction to get to Rockford.

[the urban politician]

We keep inching our way to “mega city” status but can’t seem to close the deal

[marothisu]

Seeing some interesting trends as I analyze the racial data by community area. Some of the north, NW, and west side areas that were very segregated are getting more integrated. Some are pretty damn segregated still but have gotten better statistically.

Now some of these on the west side you'd think percentage wise is because of the dwindling Black population. However, in Austin for example the Hispanic population there increased by over 113%. So really a factor of both. The Hispanic population in North Lawndale, Garfield Park, and Austin increased by a combined 13,394 people or +111%.

I'm not done analyzing yet but here's a few interesting ones. Kind of crazy to think about Austin and West Englewood both being nearly 20% Hispanic now. There's a lot I haven't analyzed yet, FYI

White non-Hispanic, decreasing
* Dunning: 70.38% --> 55.88%
* Clearing: 51.52% --> 35.81%
* Hegewisch: 44.93% --> 31.13%
* West Elsdon: 17.95% --> 10.54%
* Lincoln Park: 82.88% --> 77.14%
* Lake View: 80.37% --> 74.85%
* Forest Glen: 74.64% --> 68.32%
* West Lawn: 14.76% --> 8.48%
* Hyde Park: 46.7% --> 40.81%

White non-Hispanic, increasing
* Humboldt Park: 4.44% --> 8.81%
* Lower West Side: 12.43% --> 18.89%
* Avondale: 28.44% --> 36.66%

Hispanic, increasing
* West Englewood: 2.18% --> 19.67%
* Austin: 8.85% --> 19.25%
* Clearing: 45.31% --> 59.13%
* Fuller Park: 4.59% --> 15.91%
* Dunning: 23.84% --> 34.86%
* Chicago Lawn: 45.19% --> 58.91%
* New City: 57.31% --> 67.48%
* West Lawn: 79.96% --> 87.27%
* Hegewisch: 49.55% --> 57.7%
* North Lawndale: 5.97% --> 11.63%
* West Elsdon: 79.04% --> 84.51%
* West Garfield Park: 1.93% --> 6.64%
* Englewood: 1.06% --> 6.59%
* East Garfield Park: 4.13% --> 8.32%

Hispanic, decreasing
* Lower West Side: 82.43% --> 71.03%
* Avondale: 64.43% --> 52.32%
* McKinley Park: 64.76% --> 55.94%
* Bridgeport: 27.02% --> 21.95%

Black, increasing
* Hegewisch: 3.86% --> 8.75%
* West Ridge: 11.14% --> 13.59%
* Montclare: 4.45% --> 6.12%
* Lower West Side: 3.1% --> 4.57%
* Clearing: 1.22% --> 2.28%
* Dunning: 0.73% --> 1.89%

Black, decreasing
* West Englewood: 96.26% --> 77.28%
* Austin: 85.1% --> 74.58%
* Chicago Lawn: 49.26% --> 36.55%
* New City: 29.63% --> 18.79%
* North Lawndale: 91.43% --> 83.67%
* Englewood: 97.37% --> 90.04%
* East Garfield Park: 90.9% --> 83.44%
* West Garfield Park: 96.19% --> 89.51%

Asian, increasing
* McKinley Park: 15.66% --> 26.97%
* Bridgeport: 34.57% --> 42.11%
* Brighton Park: 4.96% --> 10.86%
* The Loop: 15.91% --> 20.68%
* Near South Side: 15.46% --> 20.08%
* Near West Side: 14.62% --> 18.77%
* Hyde Park: 12.4% --> 16.28%
* Archer Heights: 1.03% --> 4.3%

More to come at another time.

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by marothisu

Seeing some interesting trends as I analyze the racial data by community area. Some of the north, NW, and west side areas that were very segregated are getting more integrated. Some are pretty damn segregated still but have gotten better statistically.

Now some of these on the west side you'd think percentage wise is because of the dwindling Black population. However, in Austin for example the Hispanic population there increased by over 113%. So really a factor of both. The Hispanic population in North Lawndale, Garfield Park, and Austin increased by a combined 13,394 people or +111%.

I'm not done analyzing yet but here's a few interesting ones. Kind of crazy to think about Austin and West Englewood both being nearly 20% Hispanic now. There's a lot I haven't analyzed yet, FYI

White non-Hispanic, decreasing
* Dunning: 70.38% --> 55.88%
* Clearing: 51.52% --> 35.81%
* Hegewisch: 44.93% --> 31.13%
* West Elsdon: 17.95% --> 10.54%
* Lincoln Park: 82.88% --> 77.14%
* Lake View: 80.37% --> 74.85%
* Forest Glen: 74.64% --> 68.32%
* West Lawn: 14.76% --> 8.48%
* Hyde Park: 46.7% --> 40.81%

White non-Hispanic, increasing
* Humboldt Park: 4.44% --> 8.81%
* Lower West Side: 12.43% --> 18.89%
* Avondale: 28.44% --> 36.66%

Hispanic, increasing
* West Englewood: 2.18% --> 19.67%
* Austin: 8.85% --> 19.25%
* Clearing: 45.31% --> 59.13%
* Fuller Park: 4.59% --> 15.91%
* Dunning: 23.84% --> 34.86%
* Chicago Lawn: 45.19% --> 58.91%
* New City: 57.31% --> 67.48%
* West Lawn: 79.96% --> 87.27%
* Hegewisch: 49.55% --> 57.7%
* North Lawndale: 5.97% --> 11.63%
* West Elsdon: 79.04% --> 84.51%
* West Garfield Park: 1.93% --> 6.64%
* Englewood: 1.06% --> 6.59%
* East Garfield Park: 4.13% --> 8.32%

Hispanic, decreasing
* Lower West Side: 82.43% --> 71.03%
* Avondale: 64.43% --> 52.32%
* McKinley Park: 64.76% --> 55.94%
* Bridgeport: 27.02% --> 21.95%

Black, increasing
* Hegewisch: 3.86% --> 8.75%
* West Ridge: 11.14% --> 13.59%
* Montclare: 4.45% --> 6.12%
* Lower West Side: 3.1% --> 4.57%
* Clearing: 1.22% --> 2.28%
* Dunning: 0.73% --> 1.89%

Black, decreasing
* West Englewood: 96.26% --> 77.28%
* Austin: 85.1% --> 74.58%
* Chicago Lawn: 49.26% --> 36.55%
* New City: 29.63% --> 18.79%
* North Lawndale: 91.43% --> 83.67%
* Englewood: 97.37% --> 90.04%
* East Garfield Park: 90.9% --> 83.44%
* West Garfield Park: 96.19% --> 89.51%

Asian, increasing
* McKinley Park: 15.66% --> 26.97%
* Bridgeport: 34.57% --> 42.11%
* Brighton Park: 4.96% --> 10.86%
* The Loop: 15.91% --> 20.68%
* Near South Side: 15.46% --> 20.08%
* Near West Side: 14.62% --> 18.77%
* Hyde Park: 12.4% --> 16.28%
* Archer Heights: 1.03% --> 4.3%

More to come at another time.

Lots of neat stuff in here, good job!

First of all, Bridgeport is now about 42% Asian? Damn. It's changing quite rapidly. At this rate, by the next census it could become majority Asian.

The Loop, Near West, and Near South are now about 1/5 Asian. Not sure about the Near North Side, though. But that's pretty impressive.

Also, if the white population of Lincoln Park and Lakeview are decreasing, who are they being replaced with?

I see the black population of West Ridge inching up, and I'm betting that these are almost all African immigrants. I was just on Devon Ave in the past weekend and saw what I've been observing for years, more and more of what I guess to be Nigerians. There were Nigerians showing up in nice cars, finely dressed, for what appeared to be some sort of reception (wedding?) last weekend.

[the urban politician]

For Avondale Hispanics:

Avondale: 64.43% --> 52.32%

This poses a problem for Alderman "Keep the white people out" Rosa, as his constituency is shrinking. I'm sure he will buy time with gerrymandering, but the clock is ticking.