213 King St W | 95 m | 30 fl | Under Construction - Page 11

TheRitsman · #1 Posted **Dec 7, 2022, 3:58 AM**

Is this still a hotel in portion of it? I thought that part got cut, but maybe my memory is shit.

TheHonestMaple · #2 Posted **Dec 7, 2022, 4:02 AM**

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Is this still a hotel in portion of it? I thought that part got cut, but maybe my memory is shit.

Pretty sure it is still part of it.

Innsertnamehere · #3 Posted **Dec 7, 2022, 1:50 PM**

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Pretty sure it is still part of it.

the latest site plan application was for residential only, unfortunately.

TheRitsman · #4 Posted **Dec 7, 2022, 2:21 PM**

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the latest site plan application was for residential only, unfortunately.

Did it show what the hotel lobby was supposed to become or is it just all residential lobby now? I'd have appreciated a commercial unit here (even if it will never be filled).

Innsertnamehere · #5 Posted **Dec 7, 2022, 2:29 PM**

The latest site plan description shows an actually kind of impressive 4,000sf or so of retail. that's about twice the area the hotel lobby took up, I suspect the ground floor design has been significantly redesigned.

Would someone like to volunteer to email the city planner and ask for the latest architectural set?

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Application resubmitted to construct a 30 storey mixed-use buildingwith 348 dwelling units, 391 sqm of retail space and 195 parking spaces within the above grade parking garage at 20 George St.

TheRitsman · #6 Posted **Dec 7, 2022, 4:34 PM**

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The latest site plan description shows an actually kind of impressive 4,000sf or so of retail. that's about twice the area the hotel lobby took up, I suspect the ground floor design has been significantly redesigned.

Would someone like to volunteer to email the city planner and ask for the latest architectural set?

I can

Chronamut · #7 Posted **Dec 7, 2022, 9:47 PM**

ugh, this city has an unhealthy obsession with boxy designs lol.. let's see what new renders come about I suppose..

it's giving me town hall vibes and not in a good way. At least the buildings to each side of it will look innovative.

TheRitsman · #8 Posted **Dec 8, 2022, 7:59 PM**

Still waiting on an email response for architectural plans. Went by and got some close photos today though:

Fruitloops · #9 Posted **Dec 9, 2022, 2:59 AM**

When I travelled by this morning they were gingerly digging around a large steel tank. Cant recall but was this property ever a gas station etc.

Chronamut · #10 Posted **Dec 9, 2022, 4:01 AM**

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When I travelled by this morning they were gingerly digging around a large steel tank. Cant recall but was this property ever a gas station etc.

I think it was used car lot - if it had been a gas station they would have had to do decontamination of the soil and tests

TheRitsman · #11 Posted **Dec 13, 2022, 9:04 PM**

Still waiting to hear back from the city staff... No surprise there.

Anyway, they're almost done digging out the entire area that was shored.

Innsertnamehere · #12 Posted **Dec 13, 2022, 9:24 PM**

probably a crane in a few weeks the rate this one is going and given it only has 1 underground level.

TheRitsman · #13 Posted **Dec 15, 2022, 3:35 PM**

Okay, so I've got some bad news everyone. This one got significantly uglier. Also the architectural package is ultra confusing (to me at least) I think this has been reproposed as a hotel so Vrancor can do their switcheroo and rent it out instead to avoid paying fees: https://cityshare.hamilton.ca/s/JwsKLGeQEk3jGdM

Ground floor:

Level 2:

Even more confusing, is the site plan still lists "proposed hotel". These are the most up to date architectural package remember. Is this a hotel now?

johnnyhamont · #14 Posted **Dec 15, 2022, 3:42 PM**

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Even more confusing, is the site plan still lists "proposed hotel". These are the most up to date architectural package remember. Is this a hotel now?

Same as Walnut I'm sure. It's hotel at every point in the process where that requires less fees and environmental regulations, and residential whenever that's the cheaper category, and ultimately will function as residential regardless of how many requirements for residential development were neglected throughout the process.

ScreamingViking · #15 Posted **Jan 4, 2025, 11:45 PM**

Looking much bulkier than the render, but maybe that's because the narrower section of the tower still has a ways to go.

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Hawrylyshyn · #16 Posted **Dec 15, 2022, 3:38 PM**

At least there's retail

Innsertnamehere · #17 Posted **Dec 15, 2022, 3:55 PM**

still not really sure where a hotel would even save them fees. It's odd - Vranich clearly has a strategy between swapping back and forth, I'm just curious as to what it actually is.

Also: thanks for the updated plans, even if it's unsurprisingly downgraded.

The retail spaces look decent. There is a 2-level space which is nice, looks designed to support a restaurant.

TheRitsman · #18 Posted **Dec 15, 2022, 4:04 PM**

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still not really sure where a hotel would even save them fees. It's odd - Vranich clearly has a strategy between swapping back and forth, I'm just curious as to what it actually is.

Also: thanks for the updated plans, even if it's unsurprisingly downgraded.

The retail spaces look decent. There is a 2-level space which is nice, looks designed to support a restaurant.

I've reached out to Cameron, as he knows a lot about these types of avoidance methods. One thing I notice is on the plans there is no amenity space required. This is one big cost they are able to save by doing it as a hotel, then applying as a variance for reduced amenity space afterward. I'm curious if there are other corners they are able to cut.

One thing is that the parking requirements for a hotel are much more stable at 0.6 per guest room. It seems like on the SPA though they used a residential parking ratio. Perhaps it resulted in a lower ratio than doing it as a hotel?

Canuck905 · #19 Posted **Dec 15, 2022, 10:35 PM**

I looked through the SPA. The street-level renderings and materials actually look really nice. There's black marble stone proposed for the first level with wood panelling and integrated lighting above. Also lots of glass on the ground level.

TheRitsman · #20 Posted **Dec 15, 2022, 10:55 PM**

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I looked through the SPA. The street-level renderings and materials actually look really nice. There's black marble stone proposed for the first level with wood panelling and integrated lighting above. Also lots of glass on the ground level.

You know it's kind of funny, over at Urban Toronto, many have become sick of fully glass ground floors as they create a lifeless texture at street level. Here we have so few that it seems to be a positive.