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Old Posted Jan 31, 2018, 10:29 PM
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If this is by the same people as the last report like this, then they just arbitrarily exclude cities like New York and Miami, thereby making the entire thing absolutely pointless.

Miami and New York both 100% without a doubt have more residential tower cranes in operation, at least double Chicago.
I thought Chicago was Building the second highest number of high rises in the US?
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Old Posted Feb 1, 2018, 2:14 AM
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How is NYC not totally owning that list? Seems way off
I believe the numbers quoted in the article are residential only. 85% to 90% of Toronto cranes are for residential only projects (and have been for 15 years) though that ratio may change once the ~14 underground stops on the Eglinton line are excavated (2 cranes each?).

Nearly everything in NYC will be in their Mixed Use category due to some kind of retail at ground level.

The below document doesn't contain per-city numbers but you can kinda see what they're doing in the continent summary graph.

http://assets.rlb.com/production/201...rane-Index.pdf

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Old Posted Jan 31, 2018, 10:04 PM
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Can anyone post the list, im not subscribed as of now. Or is that not allowed?
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Can anyone post the list, im not subscribed as of now. Or is that not allowed?
Just google the title of the article to bypass the login wall...
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2018, 10:13 PM
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Miami and NYC eclipsing Chicago makes sense, but I was surprised by Toronto. They must be erecting entire highrise neighborhoods over there. Seattle also makes sense, I assume a lot of that is Amazon related. If Chicago wins HQ2, it will be fun to see what that does to our tower crane count.
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, but I was surprised by Toronto. They must be erecting entire highrise neighborhoods over there.
toronto currently has 27 500+ foot towers U/C , with a further 83 proposed!

yeah, they've gone full-blown skyscraper building boom up there in the great white north.

if that pace keeps up, toronto will be passing chicago up in number of 500+ footers sometime in the middle of the next decade.
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toronto currently has 27 500+ foot towers U/C , with a further 83 proposed!

yeah, they've gone full-blown skyscraper building boom up there in the great white north.

if that pace keeps up, toronto will be passing chicago up in number of 500+ footers sometime in the middle of the next decade.
And every single one of them looks exactly the same, too!

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And every single one of them looks exactly the same, too!
many of them do have a "toronto condo tower" look, but there are some real stunners mixed in as well.

i really love the structural expressionism of The One and CIBC Square, both currently U/C.

i'd love to see some stuff along those lines in chicago.
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And every single one of them looks exactly the same, too!

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Not to mention the most overbuilt bubble market in north america...i highly doubt its sustainable
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toronto currently has 27 500+ foot towers U/C , with a further 83 proposed!


Wow, that's insane. Definitely puts our boom into perspective. Still impressive, but pales in comparison to our northern neighbor.

I would imagine most of these new buildings are residential/condos/apartments. I wonder how that can be sustained... is Toronto really seeing such high levels of population growth? If so, that's quite enviable.
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Toronto really seeing such high levels of population growth?
yes.

city proper toronto is currently growing by roughly 25,000 people/year.
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city proper toronto is currently growing by roughly 25,000 people/year.
Impressive. We were losing a bit less than that per year last decade. Lets hope we can turn that around this census or next.
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city proper toronto is currently growing by roughly 25,000 people/year.
Wow, that is impressive. What is mainly driving that? 20-30 something’s want a hip urban center, and are moving in from the outer areas in droves?
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toronto currently has 27 500+ foot towers U/C , with a further 83 proposed!

yeah, they've gone full-blown skyscraper building boom up there in the great white north.

if that pace keeps up, toronto will be passing chicago up in number of 500+ footers sometime in the middle of the next decade.
Well maybe if all of theirs get built and very few of ours, but currently we hold like a 100 to 25 lead on +500 foot tall buildings. Their growth rate is impressive though
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Anyone who doesn't understand Chicago's population loss hasn't stepped foot on the south and west sides in years. While you have growing parts of the South Side, such as Hyde Park, Woodlawn, Bronzeville, and maybe Pullman seeing some growth and resurgence, huge swaths of the south side are becoming barren.

This city has serious and fundamental problems that are being covered to an extent by big private investment. In areas that don't have that, there's not much else to keep things going.
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Anyone who doesn't understand Chicago's population loss hasn't stepped foot on the south and west sides in years. While you have growing parts of the South Side, such as Hyde Park, Woodlawn, Bronzeville, and maybe Pullman seeing some growth and resurgence, huge swaths of the south side are becoming barren.

This city has serious and fundamental problems that are being covered to an extent by big private investment. In areas that don't have that, there's not much else to keep things going.
But there's also a conscious effort to try and rebuild the for example, the south side. Most recently the proposed Red Line extension and the new under construction library at Altgeld Gardens.

Not the mention the 3 library housing developments that just broke ground on Sunday (not on south side, but in the west).
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Anyone who doesn't understand Chicago's population loss hasn't stepped foot on the south and west sides in years. While you have growing parts of the South Side, such as Hyde Park, Woodlawn, Bronzeville, and maybe Pullman seeing some growth and resurgence, huge swaths of the south side are becoming barren.

This city has serious and fundamental problems that are being covered to an extent by big private investment. In areas that don't have that, there's not much else to keep things going.
Not to take this thread even more off topic, but what could be done to address that? Are people in these neighborhoods trying to start businesses, and not being allowed because of some kind of zoning or other regulation?

Otherwise, I'm not sure what you can do. Manufacturing would do the trick, perhaps, but you'd have to examine why that's a less compelling place to build a plant or DC than exurbia. Access to interstates and intermodal transport?

It's not like even, for instance, Amazon's HQ would fix the South Side's issues, except by replacing existing residents with new, different people hired by Amazon.


And they're going to need to stiff public pension holders. A massive haircut is the only way. Pass a constitutional amendment, give everyone 50 cents on the dollar (perhaps above a low minimum threshold like $50k in total pension value). And then do away with public employee pensions entirely, and have state employees participate in Social Security instead. You can only get one or the other, and so the existence of pensions is just voluntarily shifting the obligation from the federal government to the state, which is insanity.
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but currently we hold like a 100 to 25 lead on +500 foot tall buildings.
Incorrect.

Including U/C towers, chicago currently has a lead of 121 - 78 over toronto in terms of 500+ footers

They're catching up really damn fast, with 83 more currently proposed.
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Lol Toronto's skyscrapers are a joke. Here's a good documentary that goes into depth on the mishaps of the condo industry there and what over building does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMtjf0rYlQ4

"It spiraled out of control and it spiraled out of control because the city hall never had the power to say no"
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Lol Toronto's skyscrapers are a joke. Here's a good documentary that goes into depth on the mishaps of the condo industry there and what over building does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMtjf0rYlQ4

"It spiraled out of control and it spiraled out of control because the city hall never had the power to say no"
Video is a few years old but I just watched it. Seems like some difficulties ahead with some of those poorly constructed highrises. Thanks for sharing.
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