Tivoli Theatre | ? | 22 fl | Planning

[Chronamut]

Originally Posted by ScreamingViking

I think it should be a modern look. It will be hard to replicate that old facade and be cohesive with what I assume will be a contemporary design for a condo building (presumably with a commercial/retail base)

EDIT: love those film titles on the marquee.

bullshit - I hate this argument that it will be "hard to replicate" - at what point have we devolved to the point that we can't replicate what we made in the past, with much inferior technology, while still combining it with modern elements? Core urban does it all the time..

If this is the tivoli it should be restored to how it was, since it technically was torn down due to risk of collapse. Or at least the new design should respect the character of the streetscape around it.

I hate hearing this argument - give it to core urban and watch the magic happen. Don't give the excuse that we're too crappy now to make what existed in the past, it's a poor argument.

Originally Posted by TheHonestMaple

I could picture something like the entrance to the Burlington Performing Arts Centre

ugh that building is so bland... class over glass.. it's like people only know how to make one thing anymore - right angles, glass, boxy jutouts.. it's such a depressing time for architecture. If it wasn't for liuna and core urban craftsmanship would be dead in this town. Sorry to get on my soapbox but I am a traditionalist and we very much have the capacity to still make beautiful work that can still be a combination of neo-victorian and modern standards. A building that is majority glass isn't really a building at all - it's a glass box - it's the architecture- the innovation, the craftsmanship - that's what makes people want to LOOK at a building, instead of merely use it.

Originally Posted by TheRitsman

The integration of the auditorium lobby, with a grand street entrance, into a connected podium can achieve the desirable building articulation which the DRP is likely to expect in this project.

In summary, combining the two properties provides a wealth of possibilities for a landmark building with a unique design.

The developers will be able to gain profitable higher density. The community will receive a restored Tivoli auditorium with modern amenities to create a vibrant cultural venue.

This is a project to watch.

This is encouraging - esp the "grand street entrance" - that generally implies something that looks stately and matches the streetscape, and a restored auditorium with modern amenities would be nice. I just hope they don't go too modern. They have some wriggle room because of the building that was restored beside it.

[ScreamingViking]

Originally Posted by Chronamut

bullshit - I hate this argument that it will be "hard to replicate" - at what point have we devolved to the point that we can't replicate what we made in the past, with much inferior technology, while still combining it with modern elements? Core urban does it all the time..

If this is the tivoli it should be restored to how it was, since it technically was torn down due to risk of collapse. Or at least the new design should respect the character of the streetscape around it.

I hate hearing this argument - give it to core urban and watch the magic happen. Don't give the excuse that we're too crappy now to make what existed in the past, it's a poor argument.

You took what I wrote out of context -- the bolded wording is part of the point I was making: "I think it should be a modern look. It will be hard to replicate that old facade and be cohesive with what I assume will be a contemporary design for a condo building."

It's not hard to replicate an old facade. But cost needs to be considered too, and that may not align with a builder's budget. Whether it gets done well is another issue, as there are lots of bad examples out there for every good one.

A developer could make the Tivoli look like a stand-alone building while developing next door. They could probably replicate what was there, while putting up something new with a different design next to it. I doubt it will happen because this new owner will probably want to maximize what they can do with the site by building some of the new residential/commercial portion on the empty space in front of the existing theatre. So I think it's likely not going to be a grand entrance that looks historical; I just hope it's got some uniqueness to it, some difference that makes it stand out and say "there's a theatre here" rather than just being another door in a podium.


Long before the internet, and modern architecture, and value-engineered buildings that lack "craftsmanship", I have to wonder if in the coffee- and smoke-houses of the day people complained to each other about everything looking the same. "Egad... yet another pediment!"

[Chronamut]

Originally Posted by ScreamingViking

You took what I wrote out of context -- the bolded wording is part of the point I was making: "I think it should be a modern look. It will be hard to replicate that old facade and be cohesive with what I assume will be a contemporary design for a condo building."

It's not hard to replicate an old facade. But cost needs to be considered too, and that may not align with a builder's budget. Whether it gets done well is another issue, as there are lots of bad examples out there for every good one.

A developer could make the Tivoli look like a stand-alone building while developing next door. They could probably replicate what was there, while putting up something new with a different design next to it. I doubt it will happen because this new owner will probably want to maximize what they can do with the site by building some of the new residential/commercial portion on the empty space in front of the existing theatre. So I think it's likely not going to be a grand entrance that looks historical; I just hope it's got some uniqueness to it, some difference that makes it stand out and say "there's a theatre here" rather than just being another door in a podium.


Long before the internet, and modern architecture, and value-engineered buildings that lack "craftsmanship", I have to wonder if in the coffee- and smoke-houses of the day people complained to each other about everything looking the same. "Egad... yet another pediment!"

if only we had those problems now.. they were probably complaining about women wanting to vote while street urchins shouted SHOIN YER SHEWS GUVNAH!

I do love pediments, and cornices, and literally anything that trusses up a building.. and yeah mine may have been a bit of a kneejerk reaction I admit.

Mind you, look at lambs building - traditional entrance, modern towers, so so much for that argument lol..

or the doomed church facade on james.. or the william thomas building - modern and contemporary fusions abound all around us..

but yeah them having that whole plot now to work with makes me fear they'll just boring podium it - we should have a rule, NO bland podiums - you can be as contemporary as you want with the tower, but the podium MUST reflect the heritage style around it - then we can satisfy everyone.