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[marothisu]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

Well, looking at IL individual income tax collections by month:

11/20 12/20 1/21
1,458,505,088.96 1,964,513,525.85 2,345,147,510.46

11/21 12/21 1/22
1,622,715,693.79 2,147,094,909.35 2,671,092,765.47

It definitely appears there are significantly more employed people and or higher incomes now than a year ago.

How does that compare to 2019?

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by marothisu

How does that compare to 2019?

Great question. I will have to look at it.....


Updated numbers:
November
2019 - 1,422,958,392.26
2020 - 1,458,505,088.96
2021 - 1,622,715,693.79

December
2019 - 1,665,895,364.73
2020 - 1,964,513,525.85
2021 - 2,147,094,909.35

January
2020 - 2,412,987,807.28
2021 - 2,345,147,510.46
2022 - 2,671,092,765.47

[left of center]

^ I also did not know that! Another time suck for me to lose myself in when I should be working

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

Great question. I will have to look at it.....


Updated numbers:
November
2019 - 1,422,958,392.26
2020 - 1,458,505,088.96
2021 - 1,622,715,693.79

December
2019 - 1,665,895,364.73
2020 - 1,964,513,525.85
2021 - 2,147,094,909.35

January
2020 - 2,412,987,807.28
2021 - 2,345,147,510.46
2022 - 2,671,092,765.47

Is this aggregate amount of money for peoples personal income, more or less? Also what was January 2019?

Curious as to what you make of this data..

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by marothisu

Is this aggregate amount of money for peoples personal income, more or less? Also what was January 2019?

Curious as to what you make of this data..

This is Illinois personal income tax collections by month. It definitely shows significant increases in revenue. Presumably due to job growth and or wage growth. Seems to back up the employment numbers your showing.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

This is Illinois personal income tax collections by month. It definitely shows significant increases in revenue. Presumably due to job growth and or wage growth. Seems to back up the employment numbers your showing.

Just found out where to see these..interesting...

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by marothisu

Just found out where to see these..interesting...

Yeah, pretty good data.

[thegoatman]

Was lurking on Reddit and came across this thread. Lots of comments saying people are going back in office and how downtown and the trains were packed. Make sense considering the vax and mask mandates got dropped and covid cases are lowering nationwide.

https://www.reddit.com/r/chicago/com..._1_for_people/

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by thegoatman

Was lurking on Reddit and came across this thread. Lots of comments saying people are going back in office and how downtown and the trains were packed. Make sense considering the vax and mask mandates got dropped and covid cases are lowering nationwide.

https://www.reddit.com/r/chicago/com..._1_for_people/

There has been a noticable increase in people downtown this week.

[Randomguy34]

From the Loop Alliance report, the last week of January had 90% pre-COVID pedestrian levels despite offices being largely vacant. I wouldn't be surprised if we exceed pre-COVID pedestrian counts, since everyone wants to be outside at this point.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by thegoatman

Was lurking on Reddit and came across this thread. Lots of comments saying people are going back in office and how downtown and the trains were packed. Make sense considering the vax and mask mandates got dropped and covid cases are lowering nationwide.

https://www.reddit.com/r/chicago/com..._1_for_people/

Seemed busier on the streets today and some of my co-workers said their Metra trains from the suburbs were MUCH more packed today than last week or even last year before the latest surge. The place we went to pick up lunch had at least double the line it had the other 3 times I had visited back in November/December. It was out the door.

I think *most* people are just over it all - masks and all. My company lifted mask requirements when Chicago and Illinois did. Only a few people on my floor are still wearing their masks around. Everyone else has been over it. Even 2 weeks ago when we came back after the surge, half of everyone would walk around without it on anyway and nobody cared. Ultimately, we had a shot in the beginning to really "eradicate" this thing and didn't. Now we'll be living with it in the background hopefully at decently low levels. People are beginning to accept this and just get on with their lives again.

[tjp]

Agreed it's gotten much busier downtown the last week or so. A lot of my friends in financial services have said their companies are requiring them to come in 4 days a week.

Originally Posted by Randomguy34

From the Loop Alliance report, the last week of January had 90% pre-COVID pedestrian levels despite offices being largely vacant. I wouldn't be surprised if we exceed pre-COVID pedestrian counts, since everyone wants to be outside at this point.

This makes me doubt their numbers... How could pedestrian activity be that high if so few people were in the office? I was downtown a couple of days a week during that period and it still seemed pretty quiet, if I remember correctly.

[Randomguy34]

I would definitely be skeptical of their numbers since they don't provide a methodology. At the same time, parking garages are at pre-Covid levels even though offices are largely vacant. So people are definitely visiting downtown, even in the middle of winter.

[galleyfox]

Originally Posted by tjp

This makes me doubt their numbers... How could pedestrian activity be that high if so few people were in the office? I was downtown a couple of days a week during that period and it still seemed pretty quiet, if I remember correctly.

There was a polar vortex in late January 2019. That skewed the 2021 to 2019 percentage.

They noted that 70% of normal pedestrian activity was more typical for the month.

The methodology is pretty reliable since they’ve used a State St. counter system for years before the pandemic to measure pedestrian traffic, so it’s a consistent measure. State St. provides the bulk of retail sales in the Loop, so that’s where pedestrian counts matter the most.

SPRINGBOARD PEDESTRIAN COUNTERS
Springboard, Chicago Loop Alliance’s pedestrian and vehicular counting technology, continued to provide important data on State Street traffic. In 2016, there was an average of 1.8 million pedestrians on State Street each week. To help State Street businesses and SSA1-2015 property owners better understand their investment, weekly reports outlining pedestrian and vehicular traffic were distributed. Data includes total number of pedestrians and
vehicles on State Street per week, week-over-week comparisons and individual store-front counts important to retailers and
property owners.

[sentinel]

Found online, thought this belonged here, especially how Illinois compares to the rest of the country:

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by marothisu

Seemed busier on the streets today and some of my co-workers said their Metra trains from the suburbs were MUCH more packed today than last week or even last year before the latest surge. The place we went to pick up lunch had at least double the line it had the other 3 times I had visited back in November/December. It was out the door.

I think *most* people are just over it all - masks and all. My company lifted mask requirements when Chicago and Illinois did. Only a few people on my floor are still wearing their masks around. Everyone else has been over it. Even 2 weeks ago when we came back after the surge, half of everyone would walk around without it on anyway and nobody cared. Ultimately, we had a shot in the beginning to really "eradicate" this thing and didn't. Now we'll be living with it in the background hopefully at decently low levels. People are beginning to accept this and just get on with their lives again.

I've been living with it since the beginning

[the urban politician]

^ Nice find, thanks for sharing

[F1 Tommy]

So according to that map everyone from Chicagoland should move to Indiana.

[nomarandlee]

My question looking at those maps is how does Florida function? What taxes are they implementing that is paying for everything.

I just read the answer to my question on the Google device. "It gets the rest from a variety of sources, including documentary stamp taxes, insurances taxes, and corporate income taxes." Hard to believe that those could begin to make up the difference though.

[Chi-Sky21]

Technically we all have been, just some of us more responsibly than others. Glad to get back to normal now. Now we can all start killing each other again.