TD Coliseum | ? | 4 fl | Under Construction

[ccheck7]

Agreed. I'm interested to see where they place the three towers mentioned, and the amount of 'affordable' housing proposed as part of this. Regardless, it's good to see this area see some reinvestment to align with all of the new development taking place in the area.

[king10]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

$50 million isn't an insubstantial amount of money. That's about how much a ~20 storey apartment building costs to build.

I'm interested to see the rest of the plans beyond the arena.

Specifically what they are doing with the convention centre now that they can't move it to City Centre, which is owned by IN8.

$50M is definitely a lot of money, but 3 years ago, reno of the lower bowl alone was estimated at $68M, that didn't include much in terms of exterior renos.

I think the roof may need significant repairs as well. Very curious to see how this plays out.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...250m-1.4046406

https://pub-hamilton.escribemeetings...umentId=124941

[LikeHamilton]

The devil will be in the details!

Also anything a government or government agency will do, will cost 2 or 3 times more than if the private sector does it.

[Jon Dalton]

Doesn't seem like enough. Presumably 'new exterior' includes the roof? I've also heard the loading dock is too small for some of the larger trucks that touring acts use. Hopefully they do enough to attract more shows, that's the only way they can hope to make a profit.

[Berklon]

I can't decide if I like the renders or not.
Based on what I'm seeing, I think there's a real chance that they'll go cheap on the exterior and it won't look all that appealing.

[Chronamut]

Originally Posted by Berklon

I can't decide if I like the renders or not.
Based on what I'm seeing, I think there's a real chance that they'll go cheap on the exterior and it won't look all that appealing.

The exterior is already cheap looking - it won't be that hard to improve on it tbh..

[King&James]

Pretty light on details , looking forward to seeing the plan outlining 400-500MM in investment .... Or is that Hamilton City Centre proposal.

[Berklon]

Originally Posted by Chronamut

The exterior is already cheap looking - it won't be that hard to improve on it tbh..

Right, but we can use the excuse now that the reason it looks dated and cheap is that it's 34 years old. But to renovate it now and it still looks cheap and somewhat dated - would feel like a waste of time. Sure, I think it'll be an improvement - but I fear it won't be as big an improvement as it needs.

I really liked the render of the proposal a couple years ago... with straight lines... that looked modern.

[woreg75]

I was really hoping on neat lines and angles with less curves and waves which (imo) will look dated in 15 years. Referring to the most recent image that has been released.
Really had my hopes up for the original image posted in the CBC a couple of months back. Just seemed it would age better, and easy to update. Most of all, the white siding was removed.
Certainly hoping and remaining positive that they will do the city proud in the end, as this will be an incredible amount of development.

[ScreamingViking]

This is great news. I too am curious to see how this all fits into the footprints of the various sites, and what the towers may look like.

Not sure what to think yet about the arena... need to see more renders. Perhaps the interior changes won't be so drastic (it's pretty bare bones right now so dressing it up may not be a huge expense; largest costs may be expanding the concourse?)

While it was proposed to be a much more expensive reno, Balsillie's concept was great:


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That one above that woreg75 posted is very "mallish" to me.


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[Jon Dalton]

I'm surprised the Vrancor group didn't win. They have more money and more experience building things. This proposal relies on a lot of funding from governments that are already out of pocket from the pandemic, not to mention the lack of certainty around concerts right now. I guess the details were kept secret and councillors know a lot of things we don't. I just hope they kept their heads on their shoulders.

[woreg75]

Balsillie's idea was a great concept. I completely forgot about that proposal. That would have been a grand venue.

[Chronamut]

Originally Posted by woreg75

I was really hoping on neat lines and angles with less curves and waves which (imo) will look dated in 15 years. Referring to the most recent image that has been released.
Really had my hopes up for the original image posted in the CBC a couple of months back. Just seemed it would age better, and easy to update. Most of all, the white siding was removed.
Certainly hoping and remaining positive that they will do the city proud in the end, as this will be an incredible amount of development.

I don't get this - this is legoland building at its best - square and rectangular angles is just as dated worthy as anything else. Honestly when did we get so architecturally lazy. There is nothing wrong with a curved design - and it's this lack of innovation that has given us over 90% bland boring architecture in this city. I also agree the above design looks like a mall. You did say imo however, and this is mine

I honestly have nothing against the proposed design. It gives me something to look at that isn't the god awful boring angles rimmed by white rectangular strip designs like the above with slat lights, or the boring all curtain wall designs.. It's the stadium - it should BE flashy. Admittedly they're still using the slat lighting below but it looks better with the overall design. I actually really like the wavey strip and the giant screen and the ribbed almost glass looking design on top and the all glass look below. Although renderings do have a tendency to make things look flashier than they are irl. I still like it more than the "mall" design.



Let's be blunt - every design in the city will get redesigned every few decades as it will eventually become dated looking.

[ChildishGavino]

What I'm not sold on with the new rendering is what's above the black wave, or lack thereof. At least with the other designs they added some height to the facade, or just stacked offices on top

[JakeLRS]

Originally Posted by ChildishGavino

What I'm not sold on with the new rendering is what's above the black wave, or lack thereof. At least with the other designs they added some height to the facade, or just stacked offices on top

I 100% agree!

The Black strip and under looks great! It's just the wavy part above that I'm not digging..

[woreg75]

The unfinished upper curvy white section is what turned me off the latest design. Too much of a reminder of what is currently there.
Maybe they will add lighting to it, or a projection mapping light show..


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maybe? lol

[thistleclub]

Originally Posted by king10

$50M is definitely a lot of money, but 3 years ago, reno of the lower bowl alone was estimated at $68M, that didn't include much in terms of exterior renos.

And that $68m half-arena renovation, laid out in the June-August 2016 report commissioned by four of the 'Precinct Group' partners and prepared by Brisbin Brook Beynon Architects, would potentially have cost upwards of $100M (before inflation) if executed to an elevated standard. The report's project budget was redacted as commercially confidential, but it would be known to those who commissioned the study. From the scope of work that emerged at council in April 2017, we can surmise that the $68M partial upgrade doesn't include all the bells and whistles.

Roof Repair: $2.5M
Elevator & Escalator Repair: $4.3M
Facade: $????

My guess is that the public-facing production value will be allocated to concessions and corporate boxes, where the partners will actively recoup their investments. A lot of the necessary technical upgrades to the facility will never be visible to the public… you could pile $25M into the facility that would be invisible to event-goers. The reality is that this arena will be dark two thirds of the year and their principal tenant can fill 25% of the seats. They'll err on the side of caution given how much money they have earmarked for other developments.

[Berklon]

Originally Posted by woreg75

The unfinished upper curvy white section is what turned me off the latest design. Too much of a reminder of what is currently there.

That's exactly the problem I have with this design. The top part looks like it'll just be a re-cladding of what we currently have - which makes me think it'll still look like cheap siding.
Maybe the render isn't detailed enough to show that it'll be a much bigger improvement than I think - but I don't think it's likely.

[thistleclub]

The unfinished upper curvy white section is what turned me off the latest design. Too much of a reminder of what is currently there.

Considering the budget, it probably is what's currently there.

With the rendering conspicuously labeled COLISEUM, my hunch is that it's also supposed to be blank so that it will draw attention to the naming sponsor's logo. I imagine that the part of thinking on the black band below, identified in the BBB report as an insulated metal panel system, is that it will allow the corporate logo (and the LED strips) to pop more. And maybe wishfully imagining that it won’t show dirt as quickly as white cladding, though anyone who has ever seen a black car will know how much water that theory holds).

I'd be interested to see a daytime rendering, when the lighting conditions will moot the screen and strip lights. It strikes me as a design that will be visually oppressive during daylight hours… an entire city block that has had a black bar imposed across its eyes.

[ericmacm]

It's definitely hard to tell what they will use for the top part above the wave. Best case, it'll be a corrugated frosted glass that works with the light nicely. Worst case, it'll be white corrugated aluminum panels that create a polebarn aesthetic. I'm really hoping that it ends up being glass, or it might just end up looking like Edmonton's Stanley A Milner Library.

I do like the black wave and the glass facade along the bottom, though. The black wave will probably be clad with matte black aluminum panels, similarly to Scotiabank Arena.