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Originally Posted by chowhou
Just because you don't like a discussion about the implications of monuments (which is the purpose of this thread), it doesn't mean you get to shut it down.
I'll only address this point since I think the rest follows from my argument. No one is saying you cannot praise the actions of an individual. No one is saying you cannot quote an individual. No one is trying to rewrite history to "deconstruct" our historical heroes. No one is trying to "remove" Churchill. The only argument is that we ought not to heap praise on historical figures who had dubious moral character.
The simple matter is that Churchill was directly responsible for some great things and but also some pretty reprehensible things. You probably wouldn't be saying his contributions outweigh his negatives if you were Bengali. Why deify him when we can simply respect his place in history?
No it isn't. Sorry, had to respond to this nonsense too.
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If said statue or monument was in Bangladesh then there would be a real case to take it down, but in the UK itself his positive contributions to the survival of modern day Britain / democracy are justification for allowing such a statue to remain. If you want to also include his negative actions on a plaque at the site, sure.
And sorry, people are saying you can’t quote such an individual as Churchill.
Not too long ago an astronaut quoted Churchill and the social media mob came after him to the point where he did end up needing to apologize.
And yeah, there are those who say since modern science was built by white males that much of it needs to be discarded. I spent 6 years at SFU, heard it directly enough times from certain social justice groups to know its real. It may be fringe, but it’s there. For god sakes the “dead white male” trope has been around longer than most modern buzz phrases of current progressives.
I always feel that people on the left saying that such extreme fringe SJW types don’t exist is the exact same thing as people on the right claiming that fringe racist groups don’t exist.
Always interesting seeing such mental gymnastics being done.
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