Sen̓áḵw (Squamish Nation) | 11 Towers | 171m | 58fl | 4M sqft | U/C

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Not very convenient to get from the seawall bike route up to the bridge deck. And somewhat ludicrous when one can clearly see the arches designed for the low-level railway crossing. And then look at all the millions to be spent retrofitting the Granville Street bridge when a simple pedestrian/cyclist bridge from Granville island to the foot of Howe or Hornby would be much cheaper and convenient.

I don't hate sailboat owners, but as posters delight in pointing out here, the city is changing. The needs of the relative few shouldn't outweigh the day-to-day needs of everyone else. Coast Guard and police vessels could still access False Creek.

The pitch was for a swing span that would have the same grade as the main deck above it; even with a steeper landing to connect with the seawall, you'd save at best about 4-6 minutes over walking to Molson, and you'd have to wait that long anyway every time something larger than a water taxi passed through. I'd also like to see some actual numbers and alignments for your "cost analysis," seeing as the Granville Greenway is projected at $20-40M, the last False Creek bridge idea was projected at $45M (and in 2009 dollars no less), and there's no good space for a Granville Island crossing.

Yes, the city is changing; as more pedestrians and cyclists use the bridge, so more tourists and locals go in and out of False Creek for recreation. We should have more of both, and with the perfectly good upgrades two years ago, we can and do.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by fredinno

True, but there is no finalized treaty for the Squamish for their traditional land claims (not reserve). The land is pretty much entirely owned by Governments (minus Molson), so it seems logical that more land in the area could be given to them as part of the reconciliation treaty.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/mo...ley-brewery-at-chilliwack-864053814.html
The Brewery is shut down really recently.

I think he mean the new brewery was operational.

[cairnstone]

Originally Posted by fredinno

So? Yaletown still didn’t get a station until after it was pretty much built out.


Yes. Yaletown got a free ride by your standards, as did Brentwood and Lougheed.

How did they get a free ride? Lougheed was always a transit hub. And none of them received parking exemptions.

Concord is paying for Capstan Onni and Concert will pay for the station before marine.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by cairnstone

How did they get a free ride? Lougheed was always a transit hub. And none of them received parking exemptions.

Concord is paying for Capstan Onni and Concert will pay for the station before marine.

Lougheed to an extent, but definitely not Brentwood. Neither got parking exemptions because Burnaby wasn’t confident in their ability to support those sites without sufficient parking considering their location.

10% is pretty low, but the thing is that not everyone needs somewhere to park their car.

Originally Posted by Changing City

Whatnext is right; this area is not subject to any further claims. The 2000 settlement covered far more than the small area returned to the Squamish Nation as an Indian Reserve. The additional $92.5m was in recognition of an area of 494 acres that covers the entire Kitsilano Point. "The site now includes the Vancouver Museum, the Southam Observatory, the H.R. MacMillan Planetarium, a Molson's brewery, a housing complex and Vanier Park, "

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squamish_people

Except that’s way smaller than the actual total Squamish Land claim. The treaty process overall is not yet finished.

https://www.squamish.net/about-us/frequently-asked-questions/

[Migrant_Coconut]

If true (big if), they're still not going to be able to just bulldoze the museum and music academy without a fight, Reconciliation or not.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by fredinno

Lougheed to an extent, but definitely not Brentwood. Neither got parking exemptions because Burnaby wasn’t confident in their ability to support those sites without sufficient parking considering their location.

10% is pretty low, but the thing is that not everyone needs somewhere to park their car.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squamish_people

Except that’s way smaller than the actual total Squamish Land claim. The treaty process overall is not yet finished.

https://www.squamish.net/about-us/frequently-asked-questions/

Nope again.

Read deeper on the settlement:

..The details of what the government of Canada is proposing as asettlement of our 1977 Omnibus Trust Action are contained in a document called the "Settlement Agreement". This Agreement is between the government of Canada and the Squamish Nation.

If the Settlement is accepted by the Squamish Nation membership, it would put an end to the Kitsilano court case, the Bouillon court case and
the remaining claims in the 1977 Omnibus Trust Action. All of these claims were described in Bulletin No. 7 that was sent to membership.
The best way to understand what is in the Settlement Agreement is to look at what the Squamish Nation gets in it and what the government of
Canada gets.

What the Squamish Nation Gets
If membership approves the Settlement Agreement, the Trust Agreement and the Surrender, the Squamish Nation will get $92.5 million.
This money is paid as compensation for all of the remaining claims left in
the 1977 Omnibus Trust Action. This includes the Kitsilano and Bouillon case...

..What the Government of Canada Gets
If the Settlement is approved, the government of Canada will get an end to the claims against it contained in the 1977 Omnibus Trust Action. The end to this lawsuit is provided to the government by the Squamish Nation in what is called a "Release". This is an assurance that theSquamish Nation will end its court case once and for all.

The government of Canada will also get assurances from the Squamish Nation that the Nation will no longer claim that the lands that remain as
part of the lawsuit are still Squamish Nation Reserve lands. The lands in
question are:
> the Kitsilano Reserve lands, except for the railway area,
> the Bouillon lands north of Capilano IR5,
> all or parts of six former Reserves in the Squamish Valley,
> the lands under the railway lines that run through Mission IR1,
Seymour IR2 and Capilano IR5,
> the lands under Third Street as it passes through Mission IR1.
Maps of all of these lands were provided in Bulletin No. 7...


https://www.squamish.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/bull9.pdf

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

If true (big if), they're still not going to be able to just bulldoze the museum and music academy without a fight, Reconciliation or not.

They would just get rent for those places like with Park Royal South wouldn't they? they don't have to redevelop it.

[Vin]

Squamish Nation's Kitsilano housing proposal sees "overwhelmingly positive" response
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/squamish-first-nation-senakw-proposal-response-vancouver-kitsilano

An exceedingly few number of major development projects in Metro Vancouver have seen such a positive public reaction as Squamish First Nation’s proposal to develop their Kitsilano reserve.

The First Nation announced its $3-billion Senakw proposal to its 3,000 members and the public a week ago, and the feedback so far has been astoundingly positive.

Many have expressed that the development is well-sized for its central prime waterfront location next to downtown, a game-changing development that could set a precedent for a new direction in city building, and that this is the volume of housing supply needed to create a dent in housing affordability, especially with the City of Vancouver falling far short of its housing goals.

Without having to follow the municipal government’s strict zoning regulations and drawn-out application process, the development maximizes on the potential of the irregularly shaped 12-acre property at the south end of the Burrard Street Bridge, while also providing ample park space and community amenities.

There could be as many as 11 towers containing about 6,000 homes, with the vast majority of these units as market rental units. According to Squamish First Nation Councillor Khelsilem, the tallest of the towers will have a height of 56 storeys — a height that he says will be more comparable to the newly completed Vancouver House tower than the city’s tallest buildings, Living Shangri-La and Trump International Hotel & Tower Vancouver.

“The reaction from the public has actually been overwhelmingly positive considering we’re proposing a major city neighbourhood with a significant amount of density. This is unique compared to a lot of projects that get proposed,” Khelsilem told Daily Hive in a follow-up interview on Friday.

That's what I've been saying all along, and that got dubbed vin logic.

[misher]

Originally Posted by Vin

That's what I've been saying all along, and that got dubbed vin logic.

As much as I’d like to think this would have happened if the developer/owner wasn’t indigenous I suspect it’s just that no ones crazy enough to try to stop or criticize an indigenous development.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by misher

As much as I’d like to think this would have happened if the developer/owner wasn’t indigenous I suspect it’s just that no ones crazy enough to try to stop or criticize an indigenous development.

You can always count on Councillor Hardwick. From Frances Bula's article in the Globe & Mail:

"The inability of the city to have much control over the project is concerning to at least one city councillor.

While some, such as OneCity’s Christine Boyle, say the nation has the right to do whatever it wants with its own land, Non-Partisan Association Councillor Colleen Hardwick said it’s concerning there is no ability to impose any rules.

“There’s no oversight. I have big concerns about that,” said Ms. Hardwick, who called the project oversized, over-the-top and “inconsistent with the values of a livable city.”

[Migrant_Coconut]

Source: DailyHive.
Author: Kenneth Chan
Content: Mostly ripped from the Vancouver section of SkyscraperPage
Reliability: Minimal

Originally Posted by Changing City

While some, such as OneCity’s Christine Boyle, say the nation has the right to do whatever it wants with its own land, Non-Partisan Association Councillor Colleen Hardwick said it’s concerning there is no ability to impose any rules.

“There’s no oversight. I have big concerns about that,” said Ms. Hardwick, who called the project oversized, over-the-top and “inconsistent with the values of a livable city.”

I think Hardwick's reached peak NIMBY... or regressed to a time before the NIMBYs existed.

[cairnstone]

I am not a Nimby person at all. But a person that knows what is involved in projects of this scope. There is a reason why there is checks and balances in development. No one sees all the logistics in making this happen. Everything about this development is atypical. Contractors have no lien protection, as it is federal land and you cant lien federal land. And the fact this whole project could turn into an abandoned project half built do to global market change. Being Westbank as a partner you could assume that the money behind the development is from Asian investors.

Also lets say there is 5000 market rentals who will want to pay that as you need to make almost 6 figures to pay market rental.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by cairnstone

I am not a Nimby person at all. But a person that knows what is involved in projects of this scope. There is a reason why there is checks and balances in development. No one sees all the logistics in making this happen. Everything about this development is atypical. Contractors have no lien protection, as it is federal land and you cant lien federal land. And the fact this whole project could turn into an abandoned project half built do to global market change. Being Westbank as a partner you could assume that the money behind the development is from Asian investors.

Also lets say there is 5000 market rentals who will want to pay that as you need to make almost 6 figures to pay market rental.

There is a huge advantage in that there is no land cost.

Why don't we let the "free market" sort this one out and see what happens? It can't be worse than what's happening with the rest of the west side, which is study it to death, argue, and do nothing.

This is some of the most valuable and sought after land in the country. If this development goes bankrupt half way through, it will get picked up for pennies on the dollar and completed.

[Westbased]

Originally Posted by cairnstone

Everything about this development is atypical.

That's what makes it great! This is a world class site in the middle of a beautiful city.

[cairnstone]

Atypical is not a good thing when it comes to construction. Atypical turns into a burning cesspool of pain and money real quick. There used to be an Canadian company that pioneered development well they did an Atypical development in London that destroyed them.

[Westbased]

Originally Posted by cairnstone

Atypical is not a good thing when it comes to construction. Atypical turns into a burning cesspool of pain and money real quick. There used to be an Canadian company that pioneered development well they did an Atypical development in London that destroyed them.

Come on. This isn't a Canadian company doing a project overseas in a new market. This is Squamish First Nations and Westbank smack dab in the middle of a market they know like the back of their hand.

Projects this size are completed successfully all the time. Look at Hudson Yards in New York, a much bigger project than this. There are numerous mega-projects across Europe and Asia. All successfully completed.

This is a straightforward residential development. Vancouver trades and construction managers do this every day.

[cairnstone]

This is none of those things. Has Westbank done a 6000 unit project in 6 years? Nope. Has Squamish Nation built more than a few house? Nope. The scope of this is huge.

This is very atypical. Especially when its not being masterplanned with the city and metro Vancouver. No mention of the school that will be needed. There is nothing good about these units. They will be very small 10 units per floor. This is just click bait

[logan5]

Originally Posted by cairnstone

This is none of those things. Has Westbank done a 6000 unit project in 6 years? Nope. Has Squamish Nation built more than a few house? Nope. The scope of this is huge.

This is very atypical. Especially when its not being masterplanned with the city and metro Vancouver. No mention of the school that will be needed. There is nothing good about these units. They will be very small 10 units per floor. This is just click bait

Could you provide a link for the info on the units?

If the units are very small, there won't be many kids. Not nearly enough to justify building a new school.

[cairnstone]

Originally Posted by logan5

Could you provide a link for the info on the units?

If the units are very small, there won't be many kids. Not nearly enough to justify building a new school.

Its basic math according to the article 6000 units in 11 towers and small floor plate so the area can preserve parks.

Size of units does not stop breeding and families. I used to have a handyman Company and many clients were raising families in 1 bedroom units. Just the fact there is 6000 units all at once is huge in that area when the current schools are full

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by logan5

Could you provide a link for the info on the units?

If the units are very small, there won't be many kids. Not nearly enough to justify building a new school.

Apparently your unfamiliar with how small the units some families are cramming into, given Vancouver's insane prices and rental rates.