Sen̓áḵw (Squamish Nation) | 11 Towers | 171m | 58fl | 4M sqft | U/C

[cairnstone]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

When the new Children's hospital was being built, there were 400-500 workers on site during peak times. They were expressly forbidden from parking in any of the visitor spots in the hospital area. The neighbourhood is already jammed with staff trying to find spots and resident only parking, etc. In short, a parking mess.

Somehow, it worked out. That's the least of my concerns for this development.

We are talking 2 thousand maybe upwards 3500

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by cairnstone

We are talking 2 thousand maybe upwards 3500

In a much better served transit area. Again, not high on my list of concerns.

And I do think the 6 year time frame is too optimistic. More like 10 to fully build out I'd guess.

What's happening with Molson lands anyway? That could easily be temporary storage/parking/staging... for the right price.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Aroundtheworld

Does anybody know if there will be public elevators connecting this development to the Burrard Bridge.

This seems like a no-brainer for me when it comes to accessibility and getting people to walk/cycle there.

There are already stairs at the south bridgehead which aren't that far from the site.
The site is largely the old streetcar RoW and yard that were practically below the south approach of the bridge.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Aroundtheworld

Does anybody know if there will be public elevators connecting this development to the Burrard Bridge.

This seems like a no-brainer for me when it comes to accessibility and getting people to walk/cycle there.

Why not just start insisting that pedestrian and cyclists' needs shouldn't be put behind a handful of elitist boaters, and demand a level crossing under the current bridge?

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Yaletown developed at a far slower pace.

So? Yaletown still didn’t get a station until after it was pretty much built out.

Originally Posted by cairnstone

I dont think the false creek ferry will help out when you have 1000s of people waiting to go some where.

Other mass developments have actually paided for stations. So this one gets a free ride? They should be on the hook for developing the street car station and also pay for the running gear. Any other future developments will pay back into the pool. This is the way things work if it comes to wanting Hydro to a new industrial site.

Yes. Yaletown got a free ride by your standards, as did Brentwood and Lougheed.

[officedweller]

Coquitlam built up in anticipation of the Evergreen Line.

Chicken and egg scenario (which comes first?)
Different ways of thinking of it:
- build rapid transit to serve existing growth (less lag in revenue)
- build rapid transit to shape future growth (potential lag in revenue until areas built up)

[Jougho]

Originally Posted by Aroundtheworld

Does anybody know if there will be public elevators connecting this development to the Burrard Bridge.

This seems like a no-brainer for me when it comes to accessibility and getting people to walk/cycle there.

No. The elevator proposal was to go to Granville Island, which I am told is dead.

[Jougho]

Originally Posted by whatnext

They won't, it is not up for grabs.

I disagree, the BC Gov't expropriated the land (about 80 Hectares) in 1913 and put the residents on a barge and burned their homes within 2 days all on the premise that the city needed room to grow. The Vanier Park land is still owned by the federal government, I believe, though use and management was transferred to the Vancouver Parks Board in the late 60's. Interesting though, today the land is zoned mostly residential, but here is a chunk zoned industrial on the site of the parking lot servicing the city run marina just west of the southern part of the Burrard Bridge. There was an agreement in 2000 where the band received 92.5 million $ and the 4.7 hectares where this current development is.

I don't believe this extinguished their claim here for the reserve which was granted in 1877. The move I was told was spurred by the Kitsalano Property owners around 1906 because they did not want the dreaded Indians as neighbours.

There was once a sawmill here, which burned down and during the second World War was a Canadian Airforce Base.

[Aroundtheworld]

Originally Posted by Jougho

No. The elevator proposal was to go to Granville Island, which I am told is dead.

What I'm talking about is something different meant to serve this development at the Burrard Bridge.

It would be a pain-in-the-ass if residents had to go all the way down to Cornwall St. to access the bridge.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Why not just start insisting that pedestrian and cyclists' needs shouldn't be put behind a handful of elitist boaters, and demand a level crossing under the current bridge?

There's already ramps on both ends of the Kitsilano landing, and wide sidewalks & bike lanes on the bridge itself; while elevators would help, an underdeck isn't going to change anything.

And even if you hate anybody with a sailboat for some reason, the whale watchers, trawlers & charter fishers, party boats, house boats, VPD and Coast Guard also need maximum height clearance. This post stinks of Tall Poppy Syndrome.

Originally Posted by Jougho

No. The elevator proposal was to go to Granville Island, which I am told is dead.

Only the centre option is dead; there's still tentative plans to put an elevator on the side of the bridge.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by Aroundtheworld

Does anybody know if there will be public elevators connecting this development to the Burrard Bridge.

This seems like a no-brainer for me when it comes to accessibility and getting people to walk/cycle there.

Hopefully.

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

In a much better served transit area. Again, not high on my list of concerns.

And I do think the 6 year time frame is too optimistic. More like 10 to fully build out I'd guess.

What's happening with Molson lands anyway? That could easily be temporary storage/parking/staging... for the right price.

Currently being vacated. Presumably Concord could raze the site to use as a staging area once the replacement Chilliwack Brewery is finished.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Scroll back a bit - instead of selling, now they're in talks to have a streetcar extension to Senakw.

The land was in ‘excess’ because any streetcar or Greenway connection could use the Granville Loops and the land under the South end of the Granville Bridge to connect to the False Creek streetcar (allowing for a multi- way spur).



Speaking of which. Banker Park’s Marina parking lot has a ton of space. Though I doubt building directly anything on there would be acceptable, perhaps towers could be built above the parking lot? Could be decent space for a new Museum.

[officedweller]

For reference, here's the development area (red outline) and the pedestrian access to Burrrad Bridge (yellow circles):


https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kitsil...a495ca09!8m2!3d49.2731717!4d-123.1426171

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by fredinno

Hopefully.


Currently being vacated. Presumably Concord could raze the site to use as a staging area once the replacement Chilliwack Brewery is finished.

Pretty sure that brewery is already operational. It looks great from the highway.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

There's already ramps on both ends of the Kitsilano landing, and wide sidewalks & bike lanes on the bridge itself; while elevators would help, an underdeck isn't going to change anything.

And even if you hate anybody with a sailboat for some reason, the whale watchers, trawlers & charter fishers, party boats, house boats, VPD and Coast Guard also need maximum height clearance. This post stinks of Tall Poppy Syndrome....

Not very convenient to get from the seawall bike route up to the bridge deck. And somewhat ludicrous when one can clearly see the arches designed for the low-level railway crossing. And then look at all the millions to be spent retrofitting the Granville Street bridge when a simple pedestrian/cyclist bridge from Granville island to the foot of Howe or Hornby would be much cheaper and convenient.

I don't hate sailboat owners, but as posters delight in pointing out here, the city is changing. The needs of the relative few shouldn't outweigh the day-to-day needs of everyone else. Coast Guard and police vessels could still access False Creek.

[misher]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Not very convenient to get from the seawall bike route up to the bridge deck. And somewhat ludicrous when one can clearly see the arches designed for the low-level railway crossing. And then look at all the millions to be spent retrofitting the Granville Street bridge when a simple pedestrian/cyclist bridge from Granville island to the foot of Howe or Hornby would be much cheaper and convenient.

I don't hate sailboat owners, but as posters delight in pointing out here, the city is changing. The needs of the relative few shouldn't outweigh the day-to-day needs of everyone else. Coast Guard and police vessels could still access False Creek.

Marinas do pay a lot of money to the city.

Also I feel like car traffic by the path helps keep people safe at night from crime and discourages tent cities.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Jougho

I disagree, the BC Gov't expropriated the land (about 80 Hectares) in 1913 and put the residents on a barge and burned their homes within 2 days all on the premise that the city needed room to grow. The Vanier Park land is still owned by the federal government, I believe, though use and management was transferred to the Vancouver Parks Board in the late 60's. Interesting though, today the land is zoned mostly residential, but here is a chunk zoned industrial on the site of the parking lot servicing the city run marina just west of the southern part of the Burrard Bridge. There was an agreement in 2000 where the band received 92.5 million $ and the 4.7 hectares where this current development is.

I don't believe this extinguished their claim here for the reserve which was granted in 1877. The move I was told was spurred by the Kitsalano Property owners around 1906 because they did not want the dreaded Indians as neighbours.

There was once a sawmill here, which burned down and during the second World War was a Canadian Airforce Base.

Nope. The parcel the Squamish are developing this project is the settlement for that claim. The deal was concluded in 2000 and also included a payout of $92.5 million.

[Alex Mackinnon]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Not very convenient to get from the seawall bike route up to the bridge deck. And somewhat ludicrous when one can clearly see the arches designed for the low-level railway crossing. And then look at all the millions to be spent retrofitting the Granville Street bridge when a simple pedestrian/cyclist bridge from Granville island to the foot of Howe or Hornby would be much cheaper and convenient.

I don't hate sailboat owners, but as posters delight in pointing out here, the city is changing. The needs of the relative few shouldn't outweigh the day-to-day needs of everyone else. Coast Guard and police vessels could still access False Creek.

The lower level for Burrard is for a lift bridge, so it's not like that would be an actual low level bridge.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Nope. The parcel the Squamish are developing this project is the settlement for that claim. The deal was concluded in 2000 and also included a payout of $92.5 million.

True, but there is no finalized treaty for the Squamish for their traditional land claims (not reserve). The land is pretty much entirely owned by Governments (minus Molson), so it seems logical that more land in the area could be given to them as part of the reconciliation treaty.

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Pretty sure that brewery is already operational. It looks great from the highway.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/mo...ley-brewery-at-chilliwack-864053814.html
The Brewery is shut down really recently.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by fredinno

True, but there is no finalized treaty for the Squamish for their traditional land claims (not reserve). The land is pretty much entirely owned by Governments (minus Molson), so it seems logical that more land in the area could be given to them as part of the reconciliation treaty.

Whatnext is right; this area is not subject to any further claims. The 2000 settlement covered far more than the small area returned to the Squamish Nation as an Indian Reserve. The additional $92.5m was in recognition of an area of 494 acres that covers the entire Kitsilano Point. "The site now includes the Vancouver Museum, the Southam Observatory, the H.R. MacMillan Planetarium, a Molson's brewery, a housing complex and Vanier Park, "