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[SamInTheLoop]

Originally Posted by Investing In Chicago

It's also a bit of the Chicken and the Egg situation too, more often than not, CPS schools are "garbage" because of the parents, not the teachers. For example, if you picked up whatever k-8 school is in Englewood and plopped it at Southport and Grace (where Blaine is), with the same teachers, it would overnight be one of the top performing schools in the city...because the vast majority of parents give a damn about their child's education in the Blaine boundaries.

This is just patently dumb. Poor-performing schools perform poorly because the parents don't care about their kids. Nice.

[Investing In Chicago]

Originally Posted by SamInTheLoop

This is just patently dumb. Poor-performing schools perform poorly because the parents don't care about their kids. Nice.

Hey Stevie Wonder, read what I wrote, I never said that....

Regardless, are you arguing that parents involvement in their child's education doesn't impact the likelihood of their child succeeding? Is it a coincidence that top performing schools just so happen to be in more expensive areas of the city? Do the "wealthy schools" get the good teachers and the "poor schools" get the bad teachers? Or is it possible that there is more parent involvement in wealthy areas?

[SamInTheLoop]

Originally Posted by Investing In Chicago

Hey Stevie Wonder, read what I wrote, I never said that....

Regardless, are you arguing that parents involvement in their child's education doesn't impact the likelihood of their child succeeding? Is it a coincidence that top performing schools just so happen to be in more expensive areas of the city? Do the "wealthy schools" get the good teachers and the "poor schools" get the bad teachers? Or is it possible that there is more parent involvement in wealthy areas?

That is actually what you wrote. Paraphrased, accurately.

[Investing In Chicago]

Originally Posted by SamInTheLoop

That is actually what you wrote. Paraphrased, accurately.

For the second time, re-read what I wrote...

I said this:

Originally Posted by Investing In Chicago

The vast majority of parents give a damn about their child's education in the Blaine boundaries.

You paraphrased that I said this:

Originally Posted by SamInTheLoop

Poor-performing schools perform poorly because the parents don't care about their kids.

Where did I say anything about not caring about their kids? You have CNN ears.

[Vlajos]

Talk to CPS teachers about teaching in poverty stricken neighborhoods. Virtually no parent shows up for any school event, not even parent teacher meetings. There is little to no parental support in many of these households. There is very little teachers can do in these situations. And again CPS school funding formula is very fair giving schools the same funding per student. CPS started providing extra "equity" funds to poor under enrolled schools under Rahm. Money is not the problem.

[SamInTheLoop]

Originally Posted by Investing In Chicago

For the second time, re-read what I wrote...

I said this:


You paraphrased that I said this:


Where did I say anything about not caring about their kids? You have CNN ears.

I'm not sure who it is you think you're pulling one over on. The relevant example from your post (in terms of parents implicitly not giving a damn) is not Blaine. Blaine is located in fairly affluent Lakeview. The relevant example is xyz school in Englewood (in which you hold if the structure and its teachers were magically plopped down where Blaine stands, it would perform well as Blaine now does......to which the only appropriate response is: no s$it, Lakeview is a pretty affluent neighborhood).

[emathias]

Originally Posted by SamInTheLoop

This is just patently dumb. Poor-performing schools perform poorly because the parents don't care about their kids. Nice.

Originally Posted by Investing In Chicago

Hey Stevie Wonder, read what I wrote, I never said that....

Regardless, are you arguing that parents involvement in their child's education doesn't impact the likelihood of their child succeeding? Is it a coincidence that top performing schools just so happen to be in more expensive areas of the city? Do the "wealthy schools" get the good teachers and the "poor schools" get the bad teachers? Or is it possible that there is more parent involvement in wealthy areas?

It's not only parental involvement, it has to do with a lot of socioeconomic factors, particularly with poverty.

When you control for demographics, student test scores in Chicago are not nearly as bad. Controlling for demographics when evaluating schools, though, is a huge political hot potato because it comes off as making excuses or not caring or believing that certain students can't do better.

[SamInTheLoop]

Originally Posted by emathias

It's not only parental involvement, it has to do with a lot of socioeconomic factors, particularly with poverty.

When you control for demographics, student test scores in Chicago are not nearly as bad. Controlling for demographics when evaluating schools, though, is a huge political hot potato because it comes off as making excuses or not caring or believing that certain students can't do better.

But this makes too much common sense - and is backed up by a lot of empirical evidence. Surely it can't come down to socioeconomics?!