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1st day that the news came out about this, about the new tower, I thought it was an error at first reading 350 Park. I'm like "350 Park.... huh".

... thinking it was for 270 Park. But son of a mother duck, it was legit!

Also something possibly to look forward too is 790 7th Avenue which may result in a 1,500' tower. Key word "may" but nevertheless, positive outlook. I'm hoping something happens with 80 South, that one could be taller than CPT if all goes well.
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I'm always interested in how these things work at the street level. The new tower will be quite an improvement, and together with the other new towers along the Avenue, once again
one of the great skyscraper canyons of the city.





























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^For sure, it is an improvement. If this is also a Foster building like 270 maybe Foster realized that there is a benefit in providing a public space under a cantilever and it’s actually a good idea in practice rather than just something he was forced to do (as he was at 270 Park). Like a contemporary Lever House or Seagram.
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^For sure, it is an improvement. If this is also a Foster building like 270 maybe Foster realized that there is a benefit in providing a public space under a cantilever and it’s actually a good idea in practice rather than just something he was forced to do (as he was at 270 Park). Like a contemporary Lever House or Seagram.
More an issue of maximizing the floorplates of the lower floors. These new towers of sizeable lots will have to incorporate these plazas (Rudin's tower already has a plaza).


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http://commercialobserver.com/2019/0...-hudson-yards/

Colliers’ Michael Cohen Talks About the Future of Midtown in the Age of Hudson Yards


BY REBECCA BAIRD-REMBA
APRIL 30, 2019


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Most of the buildings you manage are in Midtown or Midtown South. There’s this kind of tension between the areas where Midtown South is getting more expensive and Midtown rents are starting to either decline or not grow at the same rate. What do you think the future holds for Midtown as a market?

If you were looking at a chart of Midtown, Midtown South and Downtown over the past 10 years, what you’d see is they all three peaked in ‘07 and took a nosedive in ‘08, ‘09. Midtown hasn’t yet retained its peak, whereas Midtown South and Downtown have both recovered past their peak. And the gap between Midtown and Midtown South is shrinking. Midtown is now like $6 [less per square foot]. It’s catching up. And we will also track the migration. Whereas Downtown and Midtown South have had a net increase in tenancy since the trough, O.K., let’s say 2010 or whenever that was, Midtown has had a net decrease to the tune of about 10 million square feet of tenancy.

Why do you think that is?

Traditionally, Midtown, Sixth Avenue and Midtown East was the market with the highest demand in Manhattan, right? That’s the core. But for the most part, due to outdated and anachronistic zoning, there was no ability to renew the building stock right in that part of town.

So, there were a couple of workarounds, right? [Like] 390 Madison and 425 Park. But L&L will tell you that having to retain the superstructure of the existing buildings was a huge pain in the ass. Then the city did this kind of spot zoning with SL Green [in the area around One Vanderbilt], which led to the Midtown East rezoning.

But along the way [that led] to a battle [with developer] Andrew Penson and Argent over the disposition of the air rights over Grand Central [which Penson’s Argent owned]. He made an investment in that, and he had a monopoly on air right sales. And then along came the city, which said, “Give me a subway; give me this; give me that.” So, while this is all being sorted out, the demand grew from the traditional Midtown core tenants, the FIRE sector, for new product. Well, I mean, that’s just natural; not every business wants to be in a building that was built 35 years ago, right?

Or 70 years ago.

We lived in a town where, by 2005, a new building was one that was built in 1987. That was almost 30 years old, and that was new, right? The development industry, hamstrung over here in the Midtown core, pioneered Hudson Yards. And it ate Midtown’s lunch.

And now, once the damage was done, the city fathers got their act together and said, “Well, maybe we should, you know, rezone this thing here called Midtown.” And let people tear down buildings. I mean, how stupid—you tear down for 425 Park, and you have to build a smaller building? On what planet does that make sense?

I personally believe that when you live or work in Midtown Manhattan, you have given up your right to sunsets and vistas. You have bought into this alternative reality that looks more like Shanghai and Hong Kong; you’re going to be living in it and working in a canyon of towers.

So, for me, for the city to be in the business of trading infrastructure for bulk is a perfect business. It’s the perfect way to help the infrastructure, keep up with the private industries’ redevelopment. Seems like it took forever for them to figure that all out.

My prediction is, well, the cow has left the barn, right? Hudson Yards is up and running. And there’ll be a lot more development over there. But at long last, Midtown will develop new buildings that can compete with Hudson Yards. And I think the balance will eventually shift back. It’s going to take some time.

Hudson Yards had first mover advantage in the 21st century. And Midtown paid a heavy price for, I think, some very poor decision-making.

I agree with all of this.
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Ugh.

Such a handsome tower.

And so well-suited to its little corner of the city. And it makes such a perfect match with the building to the rear--seeing them together makes me happy the same way I get happy when I see old married couples start to look like each other.

Ugh
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I can’t wait for this masterpiece.
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The backside looks to be entirely blank elevator core... this one will be ugly as sin
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The backside looks to be entirely blank elevator core... this one will be ugly as sin
That’s a Foster trademark. The elevator banks are back there. If this were proposed for Chicago, there’d be a front-page story in the Trib. As with 2 WTC, every US city would love to have this.
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The backside looks to be entirely blank elevator core... this one will be ugly as sin

The back (western) side of this tower won't be what you think it will, though a portion of it will be for the core. The view of it will be mostly blocked by the taller Tower Fifth, so we are at least lucky the best side of the tower will face the east.



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This strikes me as a little similar, and in fact when I first saw it, I thought they were the same building...



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I see what he's saying. Somewhat shares similar design styles. Kinda"ish".

Even if subject to change (if that even occurs), I'd be curious to see an up close rendering of that crown (Penn East).
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Yes, they are similar in form, but design-wise, also very different.
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I don't mind architects recycling basic design ideas if they're good ideas. Reminds me of the Solow Building and the Grace Building, both in NYC by the architect Gordon Bunshaft. He was all about that tapering massing.

I think it's kind of neat having two similar buildings in the same city. Sort of like the twin-spire/antenna trend in Chicago.

Now if the new Chase Building is also a wedge design, that will be a little crazy.
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fortunately, from the massings, we already know 270 Park will differ.
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I don't think the shape here dictates that they are the same, just as I don't think two bix designs are the same because they are boxes. I think what most caught me off guard is the fact that you don't have it in New York. So naturally it's what you think of.
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That’s a Foster trademark. The elevator banks are back there. If this were proposed for Chicago, there’d be a front-page story in the Trib. As with 2 WTC, every US city would love to have this.
Chicagoans would hate it. It would be front page, sure, but it wouldn't be something they'd want. It'd be there out of disgust lol
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Chicagoans would hate it. It would be front page, sure, but it wouldn't be something they'd want. It'd be there out of disgust lol
Disingenuous per se.
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