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[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Vin

Don't the municipal governments collect lots of tax money from these successful malls? Why plan to kill the golden goose?

Besides, it's a waste of resources to spend on planning the street grids when they know full well that these malls will not split up for decades to come, especially for Metrotown.

If Lougheed mall is not doing well. then why isn't City of Burnaby planning to split it up like Metrotown? I really don't get it.

Ideology.

Lougheed is being chopped up.
A road will run down where the east mall is currently located.
Hudson's Bay and WalMart will disappear
It'll be reduced to one corridor.

Originally Posted by vanman

Lots of new renderings at The City of Lougheed website.

[retro_orange]

Originally Posted by officedweller

The peaked roof inside Coquitlam Centre is really unique among malls compared to
- space frames (Guildford, Park Royal, Lynn Valley Centre), or
- barrel vaults (Oakridge, Lougheed, Richmond Centre).
Guildford has done a really nice job of their renovation though.

aha, space frame roof structure, that's what the newer section uses and definitely feels like a warehouse on that side of the mall. The original mall has some great late 70's West Coast Modern vibes and would be great if they could keep at least a small part of the original section or recreate the wood ceiling and windows in the new mall interior.


Original interior layout with lots of beautiful greenery and fun retro details like I remember as a kid:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGWy7RHXcAIaanz.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cb/d0/86/cbd0861806e54023eebe9455009aef28.jpg


Generic looking floor level and needs plants again but the ceiling still looks great.




Occasionally my grandma would visit on the weekend and stay in the Best Western with the similar atrium, I remember going back and forth from the hotel to the mall and remember them being similar and so cool as a kid. The house we had near the mall was from the late 80's but before that we had a house in the flats from 1979 that had similar interior details to Coquitlam Centre. The odd things that you remember...
https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/0a/08/ab/40/20160113-075156-largejpg.jpg

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by Vin

Don't the municipal governments collect lots of tax money from these successful malls? Why plan to kill the golden goose?

There has been a number of news articles over the last few years that have covered that redeveloping these malls into a greater mix of uses and with a new overall design is all part of the owners of the malls and cities working to get more money then they would be keeping the mall the way you see them today. Things could be worse. We could have what the states have which are a bunch of malls closing down and left empty and not being utilized to its full potential.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Vin

Don't the municipal governments collect lots of tax money from these successful malls? Why plan to kill the golden goose?

Besides, it's a waste of resources to spend on planning the street grids when they know full well that these malls will not split up for decades to come, especially for Metrotown.

Lansdowne is by no means successful, nor is the 2025 demolition decades away. It's been on life support ever since FutureShop closed down.

[retro_orange]

Interesting, I like the grid on the facade as it acts as a sun shade as well though some red squares on the facade would be good. The red thing on top; I don't know what to make of it...

25-storey condo tower with cascading exterior proposed for New Westminster

New Westminster has been a hub for some of the region’s most interesting suburban tower developments, and a new proposal at the southeast corner of the intersection of Belmont Street and Seventh Street is no exception.
A residential tower design by Billard Architecture for the ground-level parking lot site at 513 Seventh Street in the downtown area will be reviewed by the municipal government’s Land Use and Planning Committee next month, before it is further advanced in the application process.
Few details are readily available at this time, but the proposal is approximately 25 storeys and features a cascading terraced southern facade, accentuated by a pattern of balconies.


Artistic rendering of 513 7th Street, New Westminster. (Billard Architecture)

The upper levels of this facade are also highlighted by a bright red-coloured installation that provides a break to the cascading terrace and the uninform, punctuated appearance of the other three facades.
Artistic rendering of 513 7th Street, New Westminster. (Billard Architecture)

An outdoor residential amenity space with a children’s playground is located on the rooftop of a lower podium.
According to the architect, the design will minimize the impact to the views from the neighbouring tower and promote the area’s farmers’ market.
Artistic rendering of 513 7th Street, New Westminster. (Billard Architecture)

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/513-7th-street-new-westminster

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by retro_orange

Interesting, I like the grid on the facade as it acts as a sun shade as well though some red squares on the facade would be good. The red thing on top; I don't know what to make of it...

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/513-7th-street-new-westminster

I *gasp* read the comments on the article. It's sad how some people think this tower means no affordable housing will ever be built in New West. I will agree with the person who commented about the road network needing work - although they somehow miss that it's a really short walk to the buses on 6th Ave, 6th Street and 8th Street (or that Royal City Centre is practically next door).

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Lansdowne is by no means successful, nor is the 2025 demolition decades away. It's been on life support ever since FutureShop closed down.

I never said Lansdowne is successful. And I certainly never objected to the City of Richmond carving that huge lot up. On the contrary, I think it's a good thing.

I'm referring to Coquitlam centre and Metrotown, so please don't paint everything with a huge brush stroke.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

There has been a number of news articles over the last few years that have covered that redeveloping these malls into a greater mix of uses and with a new overall design is all part of the owners of the malls and cities working to get more money then they would be keeping the mall the way you see them today. Things could be worse. We could have what the states have which are a bunch of malls closing down and left empty and not being utilized to its full potential.

I would certainly agree if our town centre malls are experiencing what the US suburb malls in the middle of nowhere are going through. However, we are definitely not, so why be sheeple, as per my point?

If brick and mortar malls in city centres do fail (which I doubt), then we can then plan at that time: there is no need for the rush.

[Vin]

Love that New West tower above: it's edgy, and better still, it's got retail on the ground floor.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by retro_orange

Interesting, I like the grid on the facade as it acts as a sun shade as well though some red squares on the facade would be good. The red thing on top; I don't know what to make of it...

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/513-7th-street-new-westminster

That's more or less a signature of the architect -- nearly every one of their projects has a splash of red in them, at least at the architectural design level.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Ideology.

Lougheed is being chopped up.
A road will run down where the east mall is currently located.
Hudson's Bay and WalMart will disappear
It'll be reduced to one corridor.

Not really. Look closely: the mall is still intact, unlike Metropolis.

[officedweller]

The mall currently has 2 parallel corridors.
One will be removed.

The road marked in orange is where the existing mall corridor is located.
The areas in red will be demolished and a more open air corridor will be built south through Hudson's Bay.




http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&e...q7-swtMywQf61NLm-w&bvm=bv.77412846,d.cGE

[SpongeG]

also for reference, the central park is where the empty Safeway store is situated.

[retro_orange]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

That's more or less a signature of the architect -- nearly every one of their projects has a splash of red in them, at least at the architectural design level.

I like the red and the idea of adding interesting architectural elements but this cascade thing just looks obtuse to me and is taking away facade space where more patio space or windows can go, unless it's covering up some concrete stairwell core or something.

[retro_orange]

Cool looking development in Port Moody, looks like the caliber of the developments in North Van.

145-Unit Terraced Condo Building Proposed for Port Moody Site

Atti Group has submitted an OCP amendment and rezoning application for a 4.3 acre site in Port Moody. The site was previously given third reading in 2012 pending geotechnical, stormwater and environmental reports for development permit approval. Subsequently, the site was sold in 2018.
The site is located at the southwest corner of Buller Street and Henry Street. It is bounded by Coquitlam to the south, unopened City of Port Moody road right-of-way to the east, undeveloped medium-density townhouse residential (RM4) lots across Henry Street to the north, and older Multi family to the west.
The site itself is vacant and primarily covered with second growth forest at a steep grade of 25-35%.
The proposal is a unique U-shaped, terraced 11-storey terraced residential development, including:

• 145 condo units;
• A total density of 1.33 FAR;
• a 1.2 acre park dedication;
• $870,000 CAC;
• 268 parking spaces on three levels of underground parking.

With the grade of the site, the building is up to 6-storeys in height above grade at any given point.
A video rendering of the project can be viewed here:
• Video Link
The architect for the project is Ankenman Marchand.

http://attigroup.ca/project/3000-henry/

[dleung]

Originally Posted by retro_orange

aha, space frame roof structure, that's what the newer section uses and definitely feels like a warehouse on that side of the mall. The original mall has some great late 70's West Coast Modern vibes and would be great if they could keep at least a small part of the original section or recreate the wood ceiling and windows in the new mall interior.


Original interior layout with lots of beautiful greenery and fun retro details like I remember as a kid:


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cb/d0/86/cbd0861806e54023eebe9455009aef28.jpg

Thanks for sharing this. I've never been to Coquitlam Centre but really love that era of architecture especially for residential houses. Excluding high-end contemporary custom homes, we haven't had good mass-SFH design since.

[invisibleairwaves]

Worth noting that Morguard is planning on a 60-year timeframe to build all phases of the Coquitlam Centre redevelopment, with the central portion (where the mall currently sits) being the last to go as the mall is still quite viable. So...it's not going anywhere any time soon.

[GeeCee]

I don't think that either the cities or mall owners are really 'to blame' for the current trend in converting convention malls into open air shopping centres. I think it's the natural conclusion when mall owners ask cities how they can put a few thousand condos on top of their retail in a situation where property values have skyrocketed?

The culture in the west is that everyone gets windows, so a giant block of condos on top of existing enclosed structures isn't going to work, even if it was an option structurally. These sorts of open air malls with towers on top are one of the best possible uses for these sites under the conditions, in that it continues to serve the community's need for retail while supplying density for residential needs in close proximity to rapid transit.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by retro_orange

Cool looking development in Port Moody, looks like the caliber of the developments in North Van.

Unfortunately because it's in Port Moody it'll get shot down by their NIMBY mayor and council.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by GeeCee

The culture in the west is that everyone gets windows, so a giant block of condos on top of existing enclosed structures isn't going to work, even if it was an option structurally. These sorts of open air malls with towers on top are one of the best possible uses for these sites under the conditions, in that it continues to serve the community's need for retail while supplying density for residential needs in close proximity to rapid transit.

Except that that's exactly what's happening with Oakridge and Brentwood, so it's not necessarily a decision made out of pragmatism.