Winnipeg Ice

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by vjose32

Why is it always in the south?

Demographics and money.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Demographics and money.

No kidding, the divide between north and south Winnipeg is becoming huge, think 2019 in South Winnipeg and 1959 in North Winnipeg or at least that's what it seems like at times!

[esquire]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

No kidding, the divide between north and south Winnipeg is becoming huge, think 2019 in South Winnipeg and 1959 in North Winnipeg or at least that's what it seems like at times!

Yeah, even when I was a kid growing up in the 80s the number of amenities was more evenly spread out between the northern and southern halves of the city. But since the 90s it has been pretty much a one way street... apart from a few big box stores, Centreport and the soccer complex in Garden City, almost every suburban major project in town has been built in the southern end of town.

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by esquire

But since the 90s it has been pretty much a one way street... apart from a few big box stores, Centreport and the soccer complex in Garden City, almost every suburban major project in town has been built in the southern end of town.

1. MTS Centre
2. Human Rights Museum
3. Convention Centre expansion
4. U of W recreational complex (indoor soccer pitch)
5. U of W environmental studies building.
6. New art gallery expansion.
7. Sports for Life building.
8. United Way building.
9. WRHA corporate office.
10. New police HQ
11. Hydro HQ

There is a list of some of the major projects built or under construction since the 90s and not a single one of them is south of the Assiniboine.

Other than Subway Soccer South, the Southdale rink expansion and the Ikea development what projects have happened in south Winnipeg in the past 20+ years?

PS the plan is for two more of the soccer buildings similar to the two that have been done -- one east and one west.

PPS You also forgot to mention the 2 sheets of indoor ice built at Garden City CC.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by CoryB

1. MTS Centre
2. Human Rights Museum
3. Convention Centre expansion
4. U of W recreational complex (indoor soccer pitch)
5. U of W environmental studies building.
6. New art gallery expansion.
7. Sports for Life building.
8. United Way building.
9. WRHA corporate office.
10. New police HQ
11. Hydro HQ

There is a list of some of the major projects built or under construction since the 90s and not a single one of them is south of the Assiniboine.

Other than Subway Soccer South, the Southdale rink expansion and the Ikea development what projects have happened in south Winnipeg in the past 20+ years?

PS the plan is for two more of the soccer buildings similar to the two that have been done -- one east and one west.

PPS You also forgot to mention the 2 sheets of indoor ice built at Garden City CC.

I would not consider any of those things built on your list to be in north Winnipeg... they're downtown, which is no more north Winnipeg than it is south Winnipeg.

[CoryB]

And The Rink arena where the Ice will play is no more in Winnipeg that where the Steelers, Terriers or Wheat Kings play.

[cheswick]

Originally Posted by CoryB

1. MTS Centre
2. Human Rights Museum
3. Convention Centre expansion
4. U of W recreational complex (indoor soccer pitch)
5. U of W environmental studies building.
6. New art gallery expansion.
7. Sports for Life building.
8. United Way building.
9. WRHA corporate office.
10. New police HQ
11. Hydro HQ

There is a list of some of the major projects built or under construction since the 90s and not a single one of them is south of the Assiniboine.

Other than Subway Soccer South, the Southdale rink expansion and the Ikea development what projects have happened in south Winnipeg in the past 20+ years?

PS the plan is for two more of the soccer buildings similar to the two that have been done -- one east and one west.

PPS You also forgot to mention the 2 sheets of indoor ice built at Garden City CC.

When has north Winnipeg been considered north of the Assiniboine? North of the CP railyards is north winnipeg

[bomberjet]

To many people south of the Assiniboine, the North End is everything north of the river.

It's also the historical divide between the catholics and the protestants.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by CoryB

And The Rink arena where the Ice will play is no more in Winnipeg that where the Steelers, Terriers or Wheat Kings play.

That is a really good point.

[Danny D Oh]

Originally Posted by buzzg

We (or I) was talking about the shuttle in regards to concerts and other big events. If shows that are currently using the smallest version of BellMTS, or easily selling out/selling 2 shows at The Burt start going to this arena (which is highly likely), it will suck trying to get there.

Everyone know the sound at The Burt is horrendous. A lot of acts will sure decide to go to this new arena instead. It will be interesting to see how the entertainment side plays out, as there's really only two players in this market for booking tours – True North/Live Nation (BellMTS, Burt) and MRG which does indie bands and small hip-hop shows at The Garrick.

I don't think this arena will be a concert venue. It will be 24/7 hockey. This is all about developing hockey infrastructure and selling ice time.

I've also heard TNSE has an exclusive deal to promote concerts over a certain size in the capital region until 2029 that was part of their deal with the province in building MTS Centre. Have not verified this but have heard it from multiple people.

[CoryB]

^^ Even if TNSE doesn't have a formal contract to be the exclusive concert promoter it has sure positioned itself as the first call. Technically BBB Inc didn't need to work with TNSE on the one or two concerts a year at IGF but it doesn't make sense to fire up a whole separate line of business for that when you can get TNSE to handle it and write you a cheque for the event.

Also TNSE has the booking rights to Bell MTS Place and is now the agent of record for all events at The Burt.

Chances are if you are booking a 1,000+ touring show and looking to stop in Winnipeg you already have direct contact to the people that look after that for TNSE and they will be your first call.

Reality is if there is suddenly a serious market for an approximately 5,000 seat venue for concerts you can bet the TNSE will be on top of that quickly. They have access to the level of capital needed to make it happen or could start offering shows that size rate incentives to either book Bell MTS Place or to skip Winnipeg for something like Brandon instead, ie pay someone not to not go to the 24/7 arena.

[EspionNoir]

Originally Posted by CoryB

^^ Even if TNSE doesn't have a formal contract to be the exclusive concert promoter it has sure positioned itself as the first call. Technically BBB Inc didn't need to work with TNSE on the one or two concerts a year at IGF but it doesn't make sense to fire up a whole separate line of business for that when you can get TNSE to handle it and write you a cheque for the event.

Also TNSE has the booking rights to Bell MTS Place and is now the agent of record for all events at The Burt.

Chances are if you are booking a 1,000+ touring show and looking to stop in Winnipeg you already have direct contact to the people that look after that for TNSE and they will be your first call.

Reality is if there is suddenly a serious market for an approximately 5,000 seat venue for concerts you can bet the TNSE will be on top of that quickly. They have access to the level of capital needed to make it happen or could start offering shows that size rate incentives to either book Bell MTS Place or to skip Winnipeg for something like Brandon instead, ie pay someone not to not go to the 24/7 arena.

That reminds me, Justin Timberlake just finished his concert in MTS Centre. The stadium looked fabulous that night, likely 100% filled too

[bomberjet]

BellMTS Centre does a small concert venue. Essentially half the lower bowl, stage at centre ice or closer to the end. Can't remember what they call it specifically. Not sure how often that set-up is used, but seems like there are concerts that go to BellMTS that are quite low in attendance. Definitely not like JT the other night, which looked awesome.

Edit: Ah here. Theatre A or B - Lower Bowl Only options.
https://www.bellmtsplace.ca/seating/

[esquire]

Given that TNSE has the only large arena for big concerts, one of the main smaller theatres for smaller concerts and by far the biggest entertainment heavyweight in town (Donnelly), it's hard to imagine The Rink being much of a draw for anything other than a tiny handful of concerts.

I suspect whatever they get will be along the lines of the self-contained tribute shows (they pass through Brandon and smaller centres all the time), and the independently-promoted shows (like the Kanye West debacle some years back).

[CoryB]

TNSE as a whole makes so much money they could effectively give MTS Centre to smaller concerts "for free" just to keep them out of The Rink. Basically put their virtual finger on the scale to tip things to the point the economics break for The Rink, if they wanted. They could also do similar with the Moose v the Ice.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by CoryB

TNSE as a whole makes so much money they could effectively give MTS Centre to smaller concerts "for free" just to keep them out of The Rink. Basically put their virtual finger on the scale to tip things to the point the economics break for The Rink, if they wanted. They could also do similar with the Moose v the Ice.

Agreed. But all indications are that the two have a somewhat friendly relationship, i.e. they won't be at each other's throats. Maybe they have even reached a bit of understanding as the Bombers seem to have done with TN... is it possible that 50 Below agrees not to compete aggressively for concerts with TN and in exchange, TN might stage a few shows at The Rink?

As Danny D pointed out, this facility seems to be 100% about hockey, so I doubt concerts are a priority for 50 Below anyway.

[bomberjet]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...009555?cmp=rss

Season tickets for WHL's Winnipeg Ice are hot item
WHL team says just 100 season ticket reservations left for inaugural season in Winnipeg

Darren Bernhardt · CBC News · Posted: Feb 07, 2019 3:00 PM CT

[JHikka]

A bit misleading.

Originally Posted by CBC

It's particularly impressive when you consider the price for those season tickets — which were made available starting Jan. 30 — hasn't even been announced yet.

Right now, people can pay a $50 deposit, which secures the chance to choose a seat once full prices are revealed.

So they've had 1,300 commitments for the $50 deposit. They shouldn't have any issue reaching the maximum season ticket seat allotment for the arena but this isn't officially maximum STs sold yet.

[bomberjet]

No, but is a good sign. I was kind of wondering how sales would do at the U of M. Not really the greatest venue.

We'll see what kind of a waiting list it will generate.

Also, if you click the link in the article back to the older news about the Rink hockey academy, look at the vehicles in the rendering. That's the type of clientele they are expecting. Audi, Porsche, Mercedes.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...ntre-1.4715200

[Ando]

Why is it misleading? The article is clear that people have reserved the right to buy a season ticket once prices are known.