YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 681

nname · #**13601** Posted **Oct 17, 2018, 8:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I think Agamemnon has just solved part of the mystery. That schedule rotation with YUL is spot on. Looks like a 4/3 split with YUL on DUB.

So does YUL-DUB get rouged or does YVR - DUB and YUL - DUB get upgauged mainline.

Since the 7M8 is not an option on YVR-DUB perhaps it goes mainline 333.

That would mean YVR long haul goes 100% mainline and au revoir rouge! That would be a great outcome for service levels and solidify YVR as the second largest AC longhaul mainline hub.

And nnname... I admire your perseverance in solving the remaining long haul mysteries. Can I hire you? Love your initiative!

AC just move ALG to mainline, so that free up 5x weekly Rouge, but also leave a 333 with 2x weekly left at YUL.

So for Rouge fleet, including the 4x weekly assigned to DUB, there's currently 9x weekly that can be go into another route, so moving YUL-DUB to Rouge more of a possibility now.

thenoflyzone · #**13602** Posted **Oct 17, 2018, 8:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I think Agamemnon has just solved part of the mystery. That schedule rotation with YUL is spot on. Looks like a 4/3 split with YUL on DUB.

So does YUL-DUB get rouged or does YVR - DUB and YUL - DUB get upgauged mainline.

Since the 7M8 is not an option on YVR-DUB perhaps it goes mainline 333.

That would mean YVR long haul goes 100% mainline and au revoir rouge! That would be a great outcome for service levels and solidify YVR as the second largest AC longhaul mainline hub.

And nnname... I admire your perseverance in solving the remaining long haul mysteries. Can I hire you? Love your initiative!

YUL-DUB going Rouge or A333 is a massive increase in seats compared to the 7M8. With the impending YYC-DUB, that's a lot of capacity dumped on Canada-Ireland all of a sudden.

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Originally Posted by nname

AC just move ALG to mainline, so that free up 5x weekly Rouge, but also leave a 333 with 2x weekly left at YUL.

So for Rouge fleet, including the 4x weekly assigned to DUB, there's currently 9x weekly that can be go into another route, so moving YUL-DUB to Rouge more of a possibility now.

Weird. YUL-ALG is showing double daily on the days it operates. One by Rouge, one by mainline A333. Must be an error. The flights dont even leave at the same time.

Assuming it's an error, does it free up Rouge? Dont forget, several Rouge routes are getting increases next summer.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...l-changes-as-of-10oct18/?highlight=rouge

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Montreal – Bucharest 25JUN19 – 28AUG19 Increase from 2 to 3 weekly
Montreal – Lima eff 01MAY19 Northern summer service operates 3 weekly, compared to 2 in NS18
Toronto – Berlin Tegel 23JUN19 – 16SEP19 Increase from 4 to 6 weekly
Toronto – Bogota eff 01MAY19 Increase from 5 weekly in NS18 to 7 weekly
Toronto – Bucharest 24JUN19 – 03SEP19 Increase from 2 to 3 weekly
Toronto – Manchester 22JUN19 – 17SEP19 Increase from 5 to 7 weekly
Toronto – Warsaw eff 02JUN19 Seasonal service operated by rouge, replacing Mainline 767

Like I said, were going to see a lot of adjustments in the next weeks. It's already started.

nname · #**13603** Posted **Oct 17, 2018, 8:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Does it free up Rouge though? Dont forget, several Rouge routes are getting increases next summer.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...l-changes-as-of-10oct18/?highlight=rouge

Yes it does. Before the change, the Rouge fleet usage was a break-even.

YVR lost 7x weekly Hawaii flights, 3x weekly of NGO, 6x weekly KIX, and 1x weekly DUB
= total -17x weekly

YYZ gained 7x weekly for conversion of WAW, and 7x weekly other increases
= total +14 weekly

YUL gain 3x weekly from frequency increase
= total +3 weekly

AC haven't removed the Rouge ALG flights yet, the change was made last night (which took me some time to figure out because the first run of my script shows fleet requirement of 8 A333s, and the second run shows 9. I thought I broke something...)

thenoflyzone · #**13604** Posted **Oct 17, 2018, 8:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

I thought I broke something...)

lol.

Interesting that North African routes are going mainline so quickly. First CMN, now ALG.

No complaints on my end. Seems to solidify the A333 base at YUL.

osirisboy · #**13605** Posted **Oct 17, 2018, 8:45 PM**

Why does Montreal always come up in this thread?

Johnny Aussie · #**13606** Posted **Oct 17, 2018, 9:20 PM**

It makes somebody feel good about themselves.

I mentioned YUL too!

My comments though were in relation to YVR-DUB and Agamemnon nailed it.

thenoflyzone · #**13607** Posted **Oct 17, 2018, 9:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by osirisboy

Why does Montreal always come up in this thread?

Have you not be been reading ?

canlynx · #**13608** Posted **Oct 17, 2018, 9:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by osirisboy

Why does Montreal always come up in this thread?

We have a resident YUL fan around here. Just to remind us how inferior YVR is in every way.

osirisboy · #**13609** Posted **Oct 17, 2018, 9:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Have you not be been reading ?

What?! Yeah. That's why I asked! Lol

nname · #**13610** Posted **Oct 17, 2018, 10:08 PM**

I guess I'm guilty for mentioning YUL though, but it was about the possibility of DUB to remain Rouge.

Also, noticed the crazy price to MEX during Christmas break... $1800+ round-trip? I wonder why WS couldn't last for another 2 months to cash in on that??

During the three busiest week, Interjet is adding service to both MEX and CUN routes, so the service will run 7-8x weekly to both destinations (not daily though, as some days will have 2 flights and some day with none).

thenoflyzone · #**13611** Posted **Oct 17, 2018, 10:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

I guess I'm guilty for mentioning YUL though.

When you and Johhny do it, no issues. I utter the word "YUL", in response no less, and the pitchforks come out.

case in point, comments like this.....

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Originally Posted by canlynx

We have a resident YUL fan around here. Just to remind us how inferior YVR is in every way.

Where did I say YVR is inferior? Please enlighten us....

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Originally Posted by osirisboy

What?! Yeah. That's why I asked! Lol

Might want to read again. The brain always captures more when you read a second time around...
The reason why YUL is even mentioned is entirely due to YVR-DUB. I never brought up YUL-ALG, just responded.

Johnny Aussie · #**13612** Posted **Oct 17, 2018, 10:42 PM**

Nice try.

Not referring to just the last few posts... obviously.

Probably due to no active YUL thread? Hi jack other threads?

LeftCoaster · #**13613** Posted **Oct 17, 2018, 11:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

YUL-DUB going Rouge or A333 is a massive increase in seats compared to the 7M8. With the impending YYC-DUB, that's a lot of capacity dumped on Canada-Ireland all of a sudden.

Well if it is 3x YUL-DUB on an A333 Vs 4x on a 737MAX its not that big a boost. 795 seats Vs 676 seats.

LeftCoaster · #**13614** Posted **Oct 17, 2018, 11:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Where did I say YVR is inferior? Please enlighten us....

Well there was this incredibly insecure response to a simple picture of the YVR intl pier at sunset...

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

That's it? 8 heavies?

Hardly impressed.....

As i type this, I'm counting 30 heavies on the ground at YUL. All gates full. 13 aircraft on remote stands. 1 at AC base. 1 at de-ice.

Or this jem about how Quebecers are too sophisticated to need to fly to Saskatoon or Comox...

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Both YVR and BOS are primarily domestic-centric airports. That's not the case at YUL. Quebecers dont need a non stop to Saskatoon or Comox. We rather have Vienna, Bucharest, Venice, Prague etc.

I personally enjoy your presence here as you're quite well informed, but no sense in denying your allegiances and your not as subtle as you think they are jabs at YVR (and the rest of Canada for that matter).

Johnny Aussie · #**13615** Posted **Oct 17, 2018, 11:35 PM**

YTD YVR still the second busiest airport for international passengers though. And the gap between 2 and 3 has actually grown a bit.

Definition of international is - plane takes off from one country and lands in another. Simple.

thenoflyzone · #**13616** Posted **Oct 18, 2018, 12:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Well there was this incredibly insecure response to a simple picture of the YVR intl pier at sunset...

Or this jem about how Quebecers are too sophisticated to need to fly to Saskatoon or Comox...

I personally enjoy your presence here as you're quite well informed, but no sense in denying your allegiances and your not as subtle as you think they are jabs at YVR (and the rest of Canada for that matter).

Ok granted, my comment about that pic was unwarranted, I'll give you that.

But my comment about Saskatoon and Comox is bang on. And so was my comment about YVR and BOS being mostly domestic airports. (in the case of YVR, until recently)

YVR has been handling more intl pax than domestic only for the last 2 years. YUL has been mostly international for over 12, 13 years now, maybe more.

That was the point I was trying to make, precisely because Quebecers rather fly to the US, Caribbean or Europe rather than Comox. And I wasn't saying that in a context of superiority or inferiority. I was simply answering why ADM used YVR and BOS as an example in their press release. Intl traffic vs total traffic at YUL is still much higher than both those airports, and will most likely remain that way due to demographic and cultural travel patterns.

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Well if it is 3x YUL-DUB on an A333 Vs 4x on a 737MAX its not that big a boost. 795 seats Vs 676 seats.

Will be interesting to see what happens. I personally feel the Max8 was well suited for YUL-DUB. The A333 might be overkill, even if it is only 3x weekly.

osirisboy · #**13617** Posted **Oct 18, 2018, 12:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Might want to read again. The brain always captures more when you read a second time around...
The reason why YUL is even mentioned is entirely due to YVR-DUB. I never brought up YUL-ALG, just responded.

Just making a general observation. That's all. You don't need to keep telling me to re read posts

Alexcaban · #**13618** Posted **Oct 18, 2018, 2:42 AM**

YVR-DUB is staying Rouge guys, I don't see it changing to a 333.

Planes need down time too, especially the 767 and will be needed for flex.

YUL-DUB will actually be moving up to 5x weekly 7M8 and its already loaded in the system so I doubt any rotation will happen.

Nobody knows when those extra 333 are coming in however I know they will be arriving from Singapore Airlines and will need time to be refurbished into the AC brand. However looking at YUL-ALG, they are not selling J and the seat map looks exactly like SQ layout.

agamemnon · #**13619** Posted **Oct 18, 2018, 4:14 AM**

Nice catch, Alexcaban.

Though, interestingly, the five times weekly YUL-DUB currently shows up as operating on X57, whereas DUB-YUL is operating on X13. So something is still not quite resolved with YUL-DUB-YUL; and of course, if a plane is not being rotated into YVR at DUB, then the YVR-DUB and DUB-YVR operating days make no sense (1357 in both directions).

Ah well, all will soon become clear.

nname · #**13620** Posted **Oct 18, 2018, 4:23 AM**

Still showing up as 3x weekly in the timetable.

Note that if there is any discrepancy between the timetable vs. booking vs. google flights, then the timetable always have the most updated information.

Some times it may take weeks or even up to a month for the booking to sync up with timetable.