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Old Posted Feb 5, 2017, 3:02 AM
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Hey Alpine,
Here are my ideas for rerouting some of the buses closer to myself in New West/Burnaby.
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101: Rerouted to Edmonds Station. Continueing on 12th till STM then moving over to 14th and picking up the rerouted 112 route.
112: Continuing further along Kingsway to Edmonds St, then down to Edmonds Station.
155/C9: Switch routing at Cumberland and Richmond St. 155 would pass more commercial buildings on E.Columbia St. and pass closer to Sapperton station.
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That's how I also rerouted the 101. I changed the 112 to Kingsway over to Salisbury up to Imperial over to Royal Oak and then down to Royal Oak Station (less route overlap).

I notice you didn't include the C3 and C4, which are north / south-ish routes in New West.

There's also a need for another route on the 155 between 22nd St Station and 6th St and 6th Ave (I've ridden it and yes the need is real). I included a 'loop' from 22nd St to Edmonds stations basically via 6th St, 8th Ave and then 10th St - that would also add coverage for the Southgate development.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2017, 6:34 AM
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That's how I also rerouted the 101.
The downside being the reduced frequencies between Uptown and 22nd street which you later bring up as a problem.
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I changed the 112 to Kingsway over to Salisbury up to Imperial over to Royal Oak and then down to Royal Oak Station (less route overlap).
Salisbury at Imperial is my old hood so I know it quite well. I wouldn't say the area would justify the extra bus coverage or make sense to give all the current 112 riders the extra bus ride. The 112 has been doing well picking up riders the last few years so I would be careful with the changes. Plus New Westminsters master transportation plan shows it as the next bus route they envision being added to the FTN.
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I notice you didn't include the C3 and C4, which are north / south-ish routes in New West.
It was sort of an intentional omission as the extra lines cluttered my map. Plus I don't have much to change to the C4 yet....
The C3 on the other hand could be made to run in a lower NW loop pattern if a change was made. The queens park annex roof fell in during the previous snow event and will be removed. If a grid pattern/intersection was establish between 3rd and Memorial Dr. it would make this possible. The issue will be with the commuters using the new access to access McBride(read Pattullo bridge). Plus everyone in will scream if you allowed vehicle access through Queens Park. (Meanwhile it's a sea of parking and asphalt there already)
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There's also a need for another route on the 155 between 22nd St Station and 6th St and 6th Ave (I've ridden it and yes the need is real). I included a 'loop' from 22nd St to Edmonds stations basically via 6th St, 8th Ave and then 10th St - that would also add coverage for the Southgate development.
Interesting to hear that. I wouldn't know that because I've never ridden that end of the 155 before. My thought would be then maybe the 155 deserves more help from the city of NW to make it a better functioning route. I recently emailed the city suggesting rush hour bus lanes on 8th and 6th avenues to help the east-west routes avoid getting caught up in the lines of cars queuing for the bridge. If I get any info from the reply I will definitely share it.

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Old Posted Feb 6, 2017, 7:08 AM
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Hi,

I've been reading these forums for a while and wanted to shed some light on what it's like driving a Coast Mountain Bus in Vancouver in the snow. These are my opinions of course...

ALL buses are rear wheel drive. Every time you start to accelerate the bus has a tendency for the rear end to swing right towards the curb even if your front end is staying in place. Just before the bus comes to a complete stop the front end usually slides to the right towards the curb. Articulated buses are the absolute worst in the snow. They are also rear wheel drive only. From a stop they usually have the rear end which slides right while the front end stays in place. As a driver you really don't have any control of what the front end does as it is essentially pushed from the rear and if you can't control your rear end you're done.

Snow tires probably wouldn't make much of a difference as usually stops become glazed over in ice or slush. Articulated buses being even more useless because even if you managed to get the rear moving your front and middle axles are still on slippery ice. The fleet being over 1400 buses total would be over 10,000 tires. It would be an absolute logistical and maintenance nightmare to store them and swap them out every season. Plus the cost...

I worked Friday evening in Vancouver until 3am so here is my experience. I waited over two hours standing in the cold past my start time because our relief point has no shelter or crew room. Semi trucks had jackknifed along the route and the road was blocked until they were cleared. At that time all 11 buses on that route had gone around and were all stuck behind the semi trucks with nowhere to go. When I finally got around to driving it was fine until midnight and it started snowing again. Immediately what was wet slush now had layer of snow on it and the bus would slide starting and stopping. Plows were going up down the street dumping salt but there was still nothing they could have done better. I made it through the night and went from over 2 hours late to only 25 minutes late and I still managed to get asked multiple times why I'm late when it was basically a blizzard outside... It is unfortunate bus sometimes it is just out of our control with what happens on the roads.

So if you happen to be driving a bus in the snow you -

1. Don't want to be driving an articulated bus
2. Try not to stop on hills
3. Don't pull fully into the curb or you may never get back out
4. Try not to have your rear end near a pole, trash can, person, etc. because if you slip while accelerating your rear kick out will bend something
5. Try not to have your front end near a pole because when you brake that last little bit and slide right you may bend something
6. Drive slower and avoid all the people that you see behind you, come flying up along side you, cut you off and brake because they want to make a right into 7-11 when they could have easily done that behind you. Because we can totally dump off speed and not have 50 people flying out of their seats.

Sorry #6 was me venting but that happens all too often on a daily basis day, night, rain, shine or snow...

If you have any questions I'd be happy to answer if I can of course
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2017, 2:08 AM
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More snow another Canada Line fail tonight.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2017, 2:14 AM
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The bridge has always been a weak spot. Every time it snows hard the trains can't make the grade.



The bridge grade was poorly thought out.

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Old Posted Feb 7, 2017, 2:35 AM
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Damn I need to take it to Richmond Wednesday night - forecast for snow that night too.

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TransLink CEO Kevin Desmond, however, told Business in Vancouver January 26 that other initiatives are afoot to try to get more Compass cards into the hands of Vancouverites and to make the transit system more accessible for tourists. He calls this project Compass 2.0.

“It’s possible, maybe by the end of this year or the following year, that we will have open payment on Compass, where you’re able to just tap a credit card and go though [fare gates],” Desmond said.

“That really helps for visitors to the region.”

Other aspects of Compass 2.0 include possibly linking a Mobi by Shaw Go bike-share membership to the Compass cards or linking pre-paid BC Ferries fares onto the cards, Desmond said.
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2017, 2:41 AM
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Vancouver sucks in the snow.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2017, 3:19 AM
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The bridge has always been a weak spot. Every time it snows hard the trains can't make the grade.



The bridge grade was poorly thought out.
Wonder if the decision had been made to go with Linear Induction Motors (Skytrain Technology) vs traditional rail... would it have helped in this situation?
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2017, 3:25 AM
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Without a doubt if the Canada Line had been a LIM system (I just call it ICTS for old times sake ) we would not be having snow issues. I seem to recall that the grade leaving Columbia and onto the SkyBridge has a slightly steeper grade and we have not had problems there yet.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2017, 3:53 AM
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Compass 2.0 will be rolled out in 10 years.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2017, 3:58 AM
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The thing is that the incline on the bridge isn't steep at all, but for whatever reason, they decide to slow the train to a crawl just before the bridge so it lacks any forward momentum.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2017, 5:20 AM
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The thing is that the incline on the bridge isn't steep at all, but for whatever reason, they decide to slow the train to a crawl just before the bridge so it lacks any forward momentum.
I believe there's an expansion joint in the rails on both ends of the bridge and there may be a speed limitation through it.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2017, 6:31 AM
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Wonder if the decision had been made to go with Linear Induction Motors (Skytrain Technology) vs traditional rail... would it have helped in this situation?
LIM keeps the reaction rail steamy warm, so maybe!

We'd need to know the grade up to the bridge, though. SkyTrain is only approved to do up to 6%.

Maybe SNC-Lavalin cheaped out and made a rollercoaster to the moon to save money, knowing they're untouchable.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2017, 6:41 AM
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They sand the tracks for Canada Line:


https://buzzer.translink.ca/2016/12/6-things-translink-is-doing-to-prepare-for-more-wintry-weather/

Apparently, tonight, a train stalled on the bridge and had to be towed to Bridgeport Station (where, presumably, it occupied a platform, hampering continued service - but then again, the yard is right there (?)).

https://twitter.com/TheRichmondNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2017, 7:18 AM
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There have been 3 service disruptions in the bridge area since Friday, during snow. I think an explanation from ProTrans is required.

If this was the Expo or Millennium, Jordan Bateman would be on the news every night screaming bloody murder.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2017, 10:30 AM
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There have been 3 service disruptions in the bridge area since Friday, during snow. I think an explanation from ProTrans is required.

If this was the Expo or Millennium, Jordan Bateman would be on the news every night screaming bloody murder.
If anything, this is a validation that the Skytrain tech is superior, or the Canada Line is the weaker system. If Surrey goes with it's LRT boondoggle it will also be another thing that doesn't work well in the snow. Guarantee it.

In the Canada Line's defense, they clearly could have rectified the problem.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2017, 11:37 AM
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While I prefer SkyTrain to Canada Line, and despite my disdain for P3s, I don't think a couple of days every few years is the biggest deal in the world. Hell, look at how the Millennium and Expo lines have issues with the track intrusion systems due to falling snow. Maybe once or twice every few years?
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2017, 11:43 AM
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Took 2.5 hours to get home today. How were your commutes?
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2017, 12:00 PM
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Took 2.5 hours to get home today. How were your commutes?
it took me about 10mins longer by driving then normal because people were just driving slower. same amount of traffic as normal i would say though. this was while the snow was falling, no plowing, and very slushy down Cambie in Vancouver
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2017, 2:25 PM
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LIM keeps the reaction rail steamy warm, so maybe!
It's not about keeping the rail warm, it's the fact that LIM doesn't rely on track adhesion to accelerate or decelerate. It can continue to operate normally on grades even when the rails are slippery.
     
     
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