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[marothisu]

Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright

Apparently my post about this was deleted or something...

I posted it in 2 different threads

Impressive to see Jeff Park up there rolling with the big dogs. The whole far NW side is on this list which is interesting since the population of areas like Logan or Wicker Park actually fell significantly as the areas gentrified.

2017 to 2018 growth is impressive relatively. Always curious what 2019 data will say but we'll have to wait a year.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by marothisu

I posted it in 2 different threads

that's never a good idea because the resulting discussion just gets fragmented and confused.

hence why i've now moved all of your recent demographic info posts to the general discussions thread.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

that's never a good idea because the resulting discussion just gets fragmented and confused.

hence why i've now moved all of your recent demographic info posts to the general discussions thread.

Sure. However, why was a post about household INCOME moved from the economics thread into this? That has everything to do with the economy of Chicago currently.

[marothisu]

Here's some random foreign born changes from 2017 to 2018.

Born in China, change from 2017 to 2018:
1. McKinley Park: +563 people
2. Near North Side: +534 people
3. The Loop: +327 people
4. Lincoln Park: +261 people
5. Lake View: +171 people
6. Douglas: +162 people
7. O'Hare: +92 people
8. Woodlawn: +88 people
9. Near West Side: +82 people
10. Brighton Park: +70 people

Born in India, change from 2017 to 2018:
1. O'Hare: +673 people
2. Near North Side: +338 people
3. Near West Side: +258 people
4. The Loop: +249 people
5. Douglas: +204 people
6. Lake View: +128 people
7. Lincoln Park: +117 people
8. Jefferson Park: +84 people
9. Bridgeport: +54 people
10. Forest Glen: +51 people

Born in Mexico, change from 2017 to 2018
1. South Shore: +295 people
2. West Englewood: +190 people
3. Garfield Ridge: +153 people
4. Dunning: +143 people
5. Ashburn: +136 people
6. The Loop: +135 people
7. Forest Glen: +127 people
8. Clearing: +118 people
9. Armour Square: +95 people
10. South Chicago: +79 people

[marothisu]

2018 data for ACS was released a few days ago. Here are the changes by community area for households earning $100K+. Out of the 77 community areas in town, 74 of them gained households making $100K+.

6 community areas in 2018 have over 50% of households earning $100K+ with a 7th barely below 50% (Near North Side). In 2017 that was at 3 community areas and in 2016, it was only 1 community area.

1. Near North Side: +2003 households
2. West Town: +1438 households
3. Logan Square: +1176 households
4. Lincoln Park: +1154 households
5. The Loop: +906 households
6. Lake View: +905 households
7. Edgewater: +893 households
8. Irving Park: +845 households
9. Uptown: +719 households
10. Austin: +662 households
11. Near South Side: +654 households
12. Norwood Park: +649 households
13. North Center: +628 households
14. Avondale: +600 households
15. Dunning: +583 households
16. Rogers Park: +496 households
17. Portage Park: +484 households
18. Jefferson Park: +401 households
19. Grand Boulevard: +348 households
20. Albany Park: +345 households
21. Bridgeport: +343 households
22. Near West Side: +332 households
23. Belmont Cragin: +314 households
24. Morgan Park: +314 households
25. West Ridge: +301 households
26. Lower West Side: +286 households
27. Humboldt Park: +281 households
28. Mount Greenwood: +268 households
29. Garfield Ridge: +262 households
30. Washington Heights: +261 households
31. Beverly: +239 households
32. South Shore: +236 households
33. Hyde Park: +234 households
34. West Pullman: +227 households
35. O'Hare: +188 households
36. Auburn Gresham: +176 households
37. Ashburn: +163 households
38. Woodlawn: +156 households
39. South Chicago: +154 households
40. South Lawndale: +143 households
41. West Lawn: +139 households
42. Chicago Lawn: +137 households
43. North Park: +131 households
44. Douglas: +129 households
45. Montclare: +127 households
46. Brighton Park: +126 households
47. Lincoln Square: +125 households
48. South Deering: +120 households
49. Gage Park: +114 households
50. Englewood: +114 households
51. West Elsdon: +112 households
52. Kenwood: +107 households
53. McKinley Park: +105 households
54. Pullman: +98 households
55. West Englewood: +93 households
56. North Lawndale: +91 households
57. Avalon Park: +82 households
58. East Side: +77 households
59. Washington Park: +76 households
60. Greater Grand Crossing: +67 households
61. Hermosa: +63 households
62. Roseland: +60 households
63. New City: +60 households
64. Forest Glen: +59 households
65. West Garfield Park: +52 households
66. Edison Park: +47 households
67. Hegewisch: +45 households
68. Clearing: +41 households
69. Calumet Heights: +38 households
70. Burnside: +35 households
71. Riverdale: +35 households
72. Oakland: +19 households
73. Fuller Park: +8 households
74. Archer Heights: +1 household
75. East Garfield Park: -23 households
76. Armour Square: -32 households
77. Chatham: -32 households

[Chisouthside]

Hi Marothisu,

Thank you for posting all this data. Also this is from 2010 to 2018 right?
If so looking at the data I wonder if a regression model would find a relationship with rising 100k households = lower population/higher population loss. Maybe neighborhoods like Englewood/West Englewood, Aubusn Gresham, Logan Square, Lower West Side, Rogers Park that lost population but gained 100k household might be enough to push the strength of the relationship between those two variables.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by Chisouthside

Hi Marothisu,

Thank you for posting all this data. Also this is from 2010 to 2018 right?
If so looking at the data I wonder if a regression model would find a relationship with rising 100k households = lower population/higher population loss. Maybe neighborhoods like Englewood/West Englewood, Aubusn Gresham, Logan Square, Lower West Side, Rogers Park that lost population but gained 100k household might be enough to push the strength of the relationship between those two variables.

Hi that's correct - from 2010 to 2018. I think Logan Square DEFINITELY fits what you're looking for. The population has gone down 1763 people between 2010 and 2018 and the number of households went down by 302 but the number of $100K+ households increased by 4724 in the same time period.

The following are all the community areas that lost total households between 2010 and 2018, but gained in $100K+ households. In bold are the areas that gained more of these $100K+ households than they lost in total households

1. Lakeview: +4958 $100K+ households
2. Logan Square: +4724
3. Lincoln Park: +3253
4. Portage Park: +2490
5. Uptown: +2309
6. North Center: +2147
7. Edgewater: +2032
8. Avondale: +1444
9. Austin: +1211
10. South Shore: +794
11. Edison Park: +782
12. Washington Heights: +707
13. Kenwood: +578
14. O'Hare: +462
15. Beverly: +459
16. West Englewood: +449
17. Roseland: +292
18. Pullman: +242
19. West Pullman: +216
20. South Chicago: +196
21. Auburn Gresham: +190
22. East Side: +140
23. Hegewisch: +134
24. Avalon Park: +106
25. South Deering: +88
26. Burnside: +75
27. Fuller Park: +64

Out of these areas, here is the difference between the gain in the number of $100K+ households and the loss in the number of total households (absolute value):

1. Logan Square: +4422
2. Lakeview: +3520
3. Lincoln Park: +3158
4. Portage Park: +2431
5. Uptown: +2238
6. North Center: +1682
7. Edgewater: +1363
8. Avondale: +1191
9. Edison Park: +708
10. Kenwood: +564
11. O'Hare: +415
12. Washington Heights: +376
13. Pullman: +152
14. South Shore: +100
15. Austin: +88
16. Fuller Park: +15
17. Beverly: -7
18. Burnside: -27
19. South Deering: -41
20. Avalon: -81
21. East Side: -100
22. Hegewisch: -238
23. Auburn Gresham: -542
24. West Englewood: -704
25. West Pullman: -809
26. South Chicago: -910
27. Roseland: -1725

[marothisu]

Here are the biggest changes from 2010 to 2018 of the major racial groups by community area:

White, Non Hispanic
1. The Loop: +10,095 people
2. Near North Side: +8831 people
3. Logan Square: +6960 people
4. Near West Side: +6047 people
5. West Town: +5331 people
6. Near South Side: +3775 people
7. Uptown: +3329 people
8. Rogers Park: +3214 people
9. Lincoln Square: +2590 people
10. Avondale: +2299 people
11. Albany Park: +1716 people
12. Lake View: +1712 people
13. North Center: +1678 people
14. Humboldt Park: +1542 people
15. Lincoln Park: +1492 people
16. Lower West Side: +1157 people
17. West Ridge: +1043 people
18. South Shore: +798 people
19. Hyde Park: +747 people
20. North Park: +591 people
21. Woodlawn: +530 people
22. Chatham: +481 people
23. East Garfield Park: +452 people
24. North Lawndale: +418 people
25. Kenwood: +274 people

Asian
1. Near West Side: +4601 people
2. Near North Side: +4150 people
3. The Loop: +3405 people
4. Near South Side: +2582 people
5. Bridgeport: +2080 people
6. McKinley Park: +1391 people
7. Brighton Park: +1294 people
8. Douglas: +1259 people
9. Lincoln Park: +1216 people
10. West Town: +1201 people
11. Armour Square: +942 people
12. Lower West Side: +892 people
13. Jefferson Park: +787 people
14. West Ridge: +746 people
15. Archer Heights: +650 people
16. Hyde Park: +611 people
17. Lake View: +579 people
18. Woodlawn: +546 people
19. Portage Park: +470 people
20. Edgewater: +403 people
21. O'Hare: +401 people
22. Mount Greenwood: +362 people
23. Belmont Cragin: +345 people
24. Dunning: +325 people
25. Albany Park: +314 people

Black
1. West Ridge: +2970 people
2. The Loop: +1278 people
3. Riverdale: +1169 people
4. Morgan Park: +996 people
5. Oakland: +882 people
6. Grand Boulevard: +827 people
7. Albany Park: +608 people
8. Dunning: +471 people
9. Bridgeport: +438 people
10. Hermosa: +369 people
11. East Side: +321 people
12. Edison Park: +223 people
13. Lower West Side: +159 people
14. Washington Park: +150 people
15. Lincoln Park: +135 people
16. Clearing: +123 people
17. O'Hare: +122 people
18. North Park: +73 people
19. Brighton Park: +59 people
20. Norwood Park: +57 people
21. Jefferson Park: +33 people

Hispanic
1. Belmont Cragin: +5937 people
2. Austin: +5837 people
3. Garfield Ridge: +5577 people
4. Chicago Lawn: +5197 people
5. Dunning: +4094 people
6. Ashburn: +4032 people
7. Humboldt Park: +3829 people
8. Clearing: +3771 people
9. South Lawndale: +3349 people
10. Portage Park: +3014 people
11. West Elsdon: +2315 people
12. The Loop: +2205 people
13. Montclare: +2062 people
14. Near West Side: +1900 people
15. New City: +1710 people
16. West Lawn: +1688 people
17. West Englewood: +1490 people
18. Gage Park: +1433 people
19. Lincoln Square: +1356 people
20. Near North Side: +1319 people
21. Jefferson Park: +1164 people
22. North Lawndale: +1113 people
23. Morgan Park: +1007 people
24. Englewood: +880 people
25. South Shore: +709 people

[jtown,man]

Thoughts after living in Chicago for a fews days...

1. The blue line trains seemed a little...I don't know. A lot of people had luggage and it seemed kind of cramped. I got lucky and found the lone back seat so I didn't feel rude taking up too much space.
2. The traffic is aggressive. I, of course, expected this, but it's been more fun than I had expected.
3. It was COLD...getting better but that cold smacked me in the face, hard.
4. I knew this city was massive, even if you just explore(even by car) the more desirable neighborhoods but my God, this place is huge. It's scale is massive.


I haven't been here long at all, but so far I have had nothing but good interactions with people, love my neighborhood, and can't wait to get the gf here to go out and explore more. Yall are so damn lucky to live here and now I am too!

[Steely Dan]

^ good stuff.

What neighborhood did you land in?

Just wait til January, it'll get even colder. With snow.

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

^ good stuff.

What neighborhood did you land in?

Just wait til January, it'll get even colder. With snow.

The day I got in town the temperature was 1 factoring in the windchill. Will I notice if it gets much colder or after some point its all just hell? Man, the gf is so ready for some snow, so that will be awesome for a week or two(I can't wait either!).

South Loop...I think? Near the corner of Michigan and 14th street.

[glowrock]

Originally Posted by jtown,man

The day I got in town the temperature was 1 factoring in the windchill. Will I notice if it gets much colder or after some point its all just hell? Man, the gf is so ready for some snow, so that will be awesome for a week or two(I can't wait either!).

South Loop...I think? Near the corner of Michigan and 14th street.

Given your location, something tells you I'll see you at the Binny's I work at fairly soon... I take it you've already heard about Chicago's dominant liquor store chain? The one I work at is less than a mile from you at Roosevelt and Jefferson.

Aaron (Glowrock)

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by glowrock

Given your location, something tells you I'll see you at the Binny's I work at fairly soon... I take it you've already heard about Chicago's dominant liquor store chain? The one I work at is less than a mile from you at Roosevelt and Jefferson.

Aaron (Glowrock)

I am just now hearing about it...looks quite large on GoogleMaps! I don't drink much, but I do like a large selection when I do, so we will see.

[LouisVanDerWright]

Originally Posted by jtown,man

The day I got in town the temperature was 1 factoring in the windchill. Will I notice if it gets much colder or after some point its all just hell? Man, the gf is so ready for some snow, so that will be awesome for a week or two(I can't wait either!).

Oh you'll notice when it's actually cold. Last winter we had HIGHS in the negative teens not factoring in wind chills for like 72 hours straight. The low temps were in the mid -20's. Factoring in wind chill it was like -30 to -40 degrees.

When we get one those cold spells it just goes right through whatever you are wearing then straight through you. After it gets that cold you will actually see ice condensing on concrete surfaces like the back of dehumidifier as the concrete is so cold relative to the warmer (above zero lol) Air rolling in that the humidity just freezes to the concrete or rock.

[marothisu]

Yeah, although those days in Chicago in January this year were some of the coldest temperatures ever recorded in the city's history. The coldest temperature ever recorded in the city was -27 and that was in 1985. The second coldest temperature ever recorded in the city was -23 which was in January of this year which is what you're talking about - 34 years later.

I had to do this - collect data on the recorded lows for December, January, and February for years 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019. That is 351 total days. In those 351 days, the recorded low temperature was below 0 only 15 times or 4.3% of the time. The high temperature only failed to get above 0 once.

Recorded Lows
Below 0 degrees: 15 days | 4.3%
0 to 10 degrees: 46 days | 13.1%
11 to 20 degrees: 68 days | 19.4%
21 to 30 degrees: 124 days | 35.3%
31 to 40 degrees: 87 days | 24.8%
41 to 50 degrees: 9 days | 2.6%
51 to 60 degrees: 2 days | 0.6%
61 to 70 degrees: 0 days | 0%

Recorded Highs
Below 0 degrees: 1 day | 0.3%
0 to 10 degrees: 7 days | 2%
11 to 20 degrees: 28 days | 9%
21 to 30 degrees: 65 days | 18.5%
31 to 40 degrees: 118 days | 33.6%
41 to 50 degrees: 89 days | 25.4%
51 to 60 degrees: 32 days | 9.1%
61 to 70 degrees: 11 days | 3.1%

Fun fact: There have been 132 days with highs above 40 degrees versus 101 days with high temperatures at 30 degrees and below - which is a difference of an entire month. Interestingly, there's been more days above 60 degrees as a high in December, January, and February than there have been days at 10 degrees and below for high temperatures.


Here's the truth: Chicago is cold in the winter and you should have 2 sets of winter type of outerwear. Why? The Midwest weather wise for many months of the year is rather unpredictable. Although Chicago isn't as bad in this regard as other parts of the midwest, it's still unpredictable. I think you can see that above. You could easily have a 3 or 4 day stretch in January where the high temperatures are in the 40s or 50s and then a day later, the high is in the teens or low 20s. Here's another fun fact: in Januaries for 2016 thru 2019, there's been 37 days where the high temperature was between 41 and 60 degrees versus 22 days where the high temperature was at most 20 degrees. You are also in South Loop which is near the lake, and anything near the lake is windier which means a lower wind chill than say somewhere 5 miles west of the lake.

You should expect morning temperatures in the single digits or teens as a precaution with a very small possibility of negative temperatures (i.e. under 5% of days in the last few winters), but don't be surprised if it's 3 straight mornings of a low of 5 degrees and then the next day after the morning temperature is 33 degrees with a high in the 40s for a few days, then back down to the teens. Below 0 in the morning is not super common, but it can happen as you can see above. It won't happen much but you'll experience it a few times a year as a non wind chill temperature. But you know - low temperatures above 30 degrees have occurred over 10 percentage points higher than 10 degrees and below. Again - unpredictable.

It's unpredictable. Have at least 2 types of outerwear for the winter. One for cold but more moderate temperatures and one for very cold temperatures (like a parka as someone mentioned). And it's very possible that you'll randomly have a day or 2 of 60+ degrees and then BAM back down to the 20s or 30s the next day or even lower. Half of the battle is learning how to dress and once you figure that out, you'll be better off. Always check the weather forecast because having a few days of highs in the upper 40s in January in a row means nothing for a few days in the future.

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright

Oh you'll notice when it's actually cold. Last winter we had HIGHS in the negative teens not factoring in wind chills for like 72 hours straight. The low temps were in the mid -20's. Factoring in wind chill it was like -30 to -40 degrees.

When we get one those cold spells it just goes right through whatever you are wearing then straight through you. After it gets that cold you will actually see ice condensing on concrete surfaces like the back of dehumidifier as the concrete is so cold relative to the warmer (above zero lol) Air rolling in that the humidity just freezes to the concrete or rock.

Dumb question, but do like schools(universities lol) get out when its that cold?

[SIGSEGV]

Originally Posted by jtown,man

The day I got in town the temperature was 1 factoring in the windchill. Will I notice if it gets much colder or after some point its all just hell? Man, the gf is so ready for some snow, so that will be awesome for a week or two(I can't wait either!).

South Loop...I think? Near the corner of Michigan and 14th street.

Howdy neighbor... I live 2 blocks away (although I'm away right now).

Get yourself a good parka and the cold won't bother you. Long underwear (or just two pairs of pants) and a balaclava help if it gets to -40 or so. Source: wind chill was down to -51 F today at the South Pole.

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by SIGSEGV

Howdy neighbor... I live 2 blocks away (although I'm away right now).

Get yourself a good parka and the cold won't bother you. Long underwear (or just two pairs of pants) and a balaclava help if it gets to -40 or so. Source: wind chill was down to -51 F today at the South Pole.

I'll take your advice as an expert opinion in that case. I got a balaclava(just heard of that in the last month lol) but I am working out on how to wear it and not look totally weird. I don't think I am using it "right" or something lol

[Tom In Chicago]

Just to pile on. . . you'll know when it's cold here in Chicago. . . we haven't really experienced that this season yet. . . I suspect by mid-February you'll be questioning your relocation decision. . . by mid-June you'll be thankful you survived to enjoy the unparalleled outdoor amenities we have to offer. . .

. . .

[Steely Dan]

on the the subject of weather, it looks like we're headed for one of the warmest chicago christmases ever!

the forecast high for wednesday is 52 degrees with 0% chance of precipitation!

this is especially wonderful news for me because Santa is apparently bringing new bicycles for my kids.

i love a good old fashioned white christmas as much as the next person, but for this particular year, the weather gods could not have been more accommodating for us.