CHICAGO | General Discussions

[Randomguy34]

For folks who like combing through data, the city has a data portal that updates weekly to track the total number of migrants, how many are living in each shelter, country of origin, etc.

Data portal: https://40thward.org/cirr/

[Kngkyle]

If the government would just get out of its own way and let these legal immigrants (most are here legally - pending their asylum hearing) get a job then they could support themselves instead of becoming dependent on scarce local government resources.

[Via Chicago]

again, it should all be managed at the border. if you are coming here under an asylum claim but actually are really an economic migrant, those are different things. now we can have the conversation if we as a society want hundreds of thousands (or millions) of new economic migrants with few restrictions, but that should be managed separately. likewise, asylum cases need to be speed up drastically so that we dont have this situation where local governments need to be expending resources to house them (or impacting local economies by suppressing wages for local workers outside of thresholds society has already agreed to)

the reality is the old legacy systems erected to deal with these issues are wholly inadequate for the current situation and the corresponding volume. oh and we're also barreling towards a govt shut down - that should do wonders

[Via Chicago]

the US dosent have a labor shortage. it has a wage shortage. want people to take your shitty job? pay them more.

the city IS trying to build on those vacant lots, at least to a small extent. and even that is mired in delays and cost over runs

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2023/7/...ays-city-rules

Townsell doesn’t mince words. While he said he’d like to have 200 homes started by now, only 18 are in various stages of construction, with two sold and contracts on four others. They are mostly around 16th Street and Avers Avenue and 18th Street and Sawyer Avenue.

He said the hold up is from all types of municipal red tape over the properties, even though the transfer of city-owned land should be easier than private-market dealings for parcels with liens and back taxes.

“This is really about a city that has no urgency when it comes to working families,” Townsell said.



Two years ago, Townsell was aiming to sell the homes for around $220,000. He had to raise that to $250,000. He said his costs are about $310,000 per lot, despite getting $1-per-parcel land from the city. Townsell’s group has backing from the state and has $17.5 million in construction loans from banks and foundations. He’d like to get it to $25 million.

While he won’t blame individuals, he clearly has problems with people in top-level city jobs. “The city is spending too much time on fluffy things — issues of design and policy,” he said. “It is not built around production. It is built around policy wonk ideas, and as a result nothing gets done.”

[marothisu]

Speaking of migration, I looked at city propers and how many people there, estimated, were in another state or country a year prior. Chicago has had a major uptick from previous and contrary to what you may think, a lot of it is domestic in migration, not international in migration. My household participated in the ACS last year and the due date was May or June (forgot which one). The uptick in refugees was just starting when this was due so it's not really represented much like it might be when the next ACS is released next year. Here's the top 20 by city proper 2022 vs 2021. This is not metro area:

1. NYC: +52,960 people
2. Chicago: +38,001
3. Houston: +25,836
4. Los Angeles: +23,004
5. Phoenix: +15,257
6. DC: +11,981
7. Tucson: +11,534
8. San Jose: +11,338
9. San Francisco: +11,098
10. Indianapolis: +9920
11. Memphis: +8804
12. Minneapolis: +8802
13. Charlotte: +7229
14. Tuscaloosa, AL: +7175
15. San Diego: +7167
16. Boston: +7156
17. Seattle: +6966
18. Irving, TX: +6734
19. Oklahoma City: +6677
20. Jacksonville: +6467

Here's the top 5 cities per year from 2012 to 2022



Chicago, NYC, and Phoenix were at highs in 2022 for this. Chicago, however, was over 31% more than the next highest year in this range while the other 2 were between 3.2 and 3.4% higher than the next highest. The domestic migration for Chicago was over +30,000 with international being around +7000. The international in migration had dropped to 16,000 in 2019 from usually over 20,000 before that. The height was in 2015 with an estimated over 25,000 moving to Chicago who lived abroad a year before. In 2022 it went back up to just under 25,000.

[twister244]

Speaking of upticks in numbers, do we have an idea of how foot traffic is in downtown compared to pre-Covid levels? I went to a comedy special at the Chicago Theater and State Street was packed on Friday evening. I don't go to the loop on a Friday/Saturday evening often but I was damn pleasantly surprised to see the amount of people out and about around 7 PM.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by twister244

Speaking of upticks in numbers, do we have an idea of how foot traffic is in downtown compared to pre-Covid levels? I went to a comedy special at the Chicago Theater and State Street was packed on Friday evening. I don't go to the loop on a Friday/Saturday evening often but I was damn pleasantly surprised to see the amount of people out and about around 7 PM.

I'm not surprised. I'm in the Loop for work 3 days a week and in various parts it has been pretty busy, even in non-tourist months. Q1 2023 foot traffic estimate was 120% more than Q1 2021 (i.e. double plus 20% on top). They didn't start tracking this until mid 2020 unfortunately.

[moorhosj1]

Originally Posted by marothisu

Speaking of migration, I looked at city propers and how many people there, estimated, were in another state or country a year prior. Chicago has had a major uptick from previous and contrary to what you may think, a lot of it is domestic in migration, not international in migration. My household participated in the ACS last year and the due date was May or June (forgot which one). The uptick in refugees was just starting when this was due so it's not really represented much like it might be when the next ACS is released next year. Here's the top 20 by city proper 2022 vs 2021. This is not metro area:

1. NYC: +52,960 people
2. Chicago: +38,001
3. Houston: +25,836
4. Los Angeles: +23,004
5. Phoenix: +15,257
6. DC: +11,981
...

Here's the top 5 cities per year from 2012 to 2022

I'm confused by this chart. It looks like Chicago added 100k+ people in 2022, where your Top 20 numbers say 38k. Is the chart "total migration" and the Top 20 "net migration"?

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by moorhosj1

I'm confused by this chart. It looks like Chicago added 100k+ people in 2022, where your Top 20 numbers say 38k. Is the chart "total migration" and the Top 20 "net migration"?

The data is change from 2021 to 2022 as it says. The graph is overall numbers. And it is inflow from other states or another country - it is not net. I think you'll be able to eyeball a +38,000 from 2021 to 2022 in the graph now.

[moorhosj1]

Originally Posted by marothisu

The data is change from 2021 to 2022 as it says. The graph is overall numbers. And it is inflow from other states or another country - it is not net. I think you'll be able to eyeball a +38,000 from 2021 to 2022 in the graph now.

Ah, so it is saying 38k more people moved here in 2022 than moved here in 2021 and the total was over 100k. That makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by moorhosj1

Ah, so it is saying 38k more people moved here in 2022 than moved here in 2021 and the total was over 100k. That makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying.

Right. But this is specifically people who moved to Chicago who were living in another state or country a year prior. That Chicago number is 31% above the next highest number from 2012 to 2022 too. The other places that were at highs in 2022 were only 3% above the next highest.

I can't tell whether it was legitimately an uptick or whether it is a partial correction in terms of bad estimations in previous years. The outflow to out of state is similar to other years and actually below some others in the mid 2010s. The ACS is a weird animal and I think as galleyfox has shown, there could be some contradictions from one table to another in terms of what overall population could be. I think some of the trends hold up though no matter what from what I've seen.

[Tom In Chicago]

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[SIGSEGV]

anyone else hear some jets? are they practicing for a flyover at the Bears game or something? The Bears need all the help they can get on offense and defense...

[Chisouthside]

my coworkers saw jets flying over soldier field headed east from our office on randolph. Saw another video on twitter and it looked like 4 F 15s, which is weird because there arent any f15s stationed nearby.

[sentinel]

Originally Posted by SIGSEGV

anyone else hear some jets? are they practicing for a flyover at the Bears game or something? The Bears need all the help they can get on offense and defense...

I chuckled a lot at this, thank you

[Randomguy34]

Didn't realize 30k Ukrainians moved to the city. Including the 20k Venezuelans who moved here, that's 50k new people in the past year and a half: https://abc7chicago.com/venezuelan-m...news/13982778/

[bnk]

Originally Posted by Randomguy34

Didn't realize 30k Ukrainians moved to the city. Including the 20k Venezuelans who moved here, that's 50k new people in the past year and a half: https://abc7chicago.com/venezuelan-m...news/13982778/

Chicago and Canada has a natural large population of Ukrainians.
My grandparents moved to Chicago in the 20's from a rock scrabble farm town that took whole Ukrainian villages in and relocated them to the prairie providences. In my family's case from Roblin Manitoba.

And yes they did move to and live in Ukrainian Village hood where my father was born.

Lots have diverted out of that hood but Chicagoland still has a lot of Ukies. So Chicagoland a natural place to find people in common.

I'm one of them, at least 75% ethnically.


Russians and Ukrainians are the same Slavic race. Which is why I hate this war so much. Brother vs Brother


https://www.myjournalcourier.com/new...s-17018740.php





Number of Ukrainians, Russians in Illinois among nation's largest

Tom Emery

Contributor
March 22, 2022

Illinois has some of the largest numbers of both Ukrainians and Russians in the nation.

Illinois has the fifth-most Ukrainian-Americans of any U.S. state, with 47,623. The overwhelming majority of those are in the Chicago metropolitan area, which ranks third nationally in Ukrainian population.


Many live in Ukrainian Village on the near west side, which boasts one of the highest concentrations of the ethnicity in the U.S. and is home to the Ukrainian National Museum and the Ukrainian Institute of Modern Art.

Other Illinois cities with high clusters of Ukrainians include Buffalo Grove, Wheeling, Hainesville, Northbrook and Vernon Hills.

In 2019, there were an estimated 1.01 million Americans of Ukrainian descent, the second-largest total outside the Eastern Bloc, trailing only Canada.

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Russian-Americans also are prevalent, ranking 19th in the U.S. among ethnic groups, with 2.9 million. Some 16% of those are in Illinois, the third-highest in the nation and behind only New York and California.

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https://www.axios.com/local/chicago/...-mexico-border


Why Ukrainian and Latino migrations to Chicago worked out so differently


Chicago has absorbed more than 30,000 Ukrainian refugees over the last 18 months with little controversy, but the arrival of 19,000 Latino migrants over roughly the same period has triggered a crisis in the city.

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[Randomguy34]

At a NYC Reticketing Site, Some Migrants Are Choosing Chicago
https://southsideweekly.com/at-a-nyc...osing-chicago/


^ Here's a depressing weekend read. It pisses me off how much of a failure the US immigration and asylum system is. Even at the local level, pretty much every city with a sanctuary status has given up on helping migrants and is kicking them out in the streets as winter looms. Just as bad, city's are now paying them a one-way flight to leave. While the recent announcement by Pritzker in helping Chicago house migrants is a relief, every state should be stepping up and helping. This paragraph really filled me with despair:

Currently, Chicago is the only sanctuary city that prioritizes resettlement into permanent housing as the long-term solution for migrants. The Johnson administration is opening new migrant shelters at a rate of one roughly every six days to keep up with demand.

[Randomguy34]

The number of migrants arriving from Texas has grown to almost 29k people. Fortunately, the number of people sleeping at police stations & O'Hare is at a low of 575, down from a high of over 3300 people. The number of people who were able to resettle or found sponsors is almost 12k people: https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/site...Dashboard.html

[Handro]

Texas doing its part to make Chicago the fastest growing city in the midwest by 2030