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[gebs]

Chicago’s downtown still fastest growing in country, report says
AJ LaTrace, REJournals (link)

"In terms of raw numbers, The Loop, saw an increase from 29,000 residents in the 2010 census to 42,300 residents in 2020 — its highest population yet. This is roughly a 45% gain, the report details, meaning that Chicago’s Loop remains the fastest growing community within the city."

"The report pegs the total population of Chicago’s downtown at 244,445 residents, or roughly 9% of Chicago’s total population. Double-digit growth in the Near North Side and Near South Side has helped Chicago’s downtown grow faster than any other major downtown district in the country, the Chicago Loop Alliance report proclaims."

[gebs]

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by gebs

i think they got the wrong population figure for englewood listed on that graphic.

englewood's population did decrease by 20.5% (largest CA decrease in the city), but according to sources i found, it went from 30,654 in 2010 down to 24,369 in 2020, not down to 10,248 as listed in that graphic.

so yeah, the decrease was big, but it wasn't that big.

and i haven't run all the calcs for all 77 CA's, but i think englewood might have the largest population loss by % from its population peak for any CA in the city.


englewood peak (1960): 97,595

englewood low (2020): 24,369

change: -73,226 (-75.0%)


if englewood isn't THE largest, it's certainly at least a contender.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

i think they got the wrong population figure for englewood listed on that graphic.

englewood's population did decrease by 20.5% (largest CA decrease in the city), but according to sources i found, it went from 30,654 in 2010 down to 24,369 in 2020, not down to 10,248 as listed in that graphic.

so yeah, the decrease was big, but it wasn't that big.

and i haven't run all the calcs for all 77 CA's, but i think englewood might have the largest population loss by % from its population peak for any CA in the city.


englewood peak (1960): 97,595

englewood low (2020): 24,369

change: -73,226 (-75.0%)


if englewood isn't THE largest, it's certainly at least a contender.

Yes, you are correct. Whoever made that graphic is way off. Not sure how they think Englewood itself has only 10K people...

[pianowizard]

Have you guys seen Chicago from this vantage point:


Source: https://www.chicagotribune.com/paid-...552&ntv_acsc=0

It's such a stunning vista!

[the urban politician]

^ I started a thread about this in City discussions. You know, to discuss a different topic than Dimond Park's umpteenth Bay Area booster thread in disguise

[SIGSEGV]

Steely Dan is in luck, the Streets of Woodfield are for sale!

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/comm...chaumburg-sale

[Steely Dan]

^ and it sounds like if the forum pooled our money together, we might be able to get a pretty good deal on it too!

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

^ and it sounds like if the forum pooled our money together, we might be able to get a pretty good deal on it too!

If we buy it, we'll have you move to Schaumburg to manage the project

[Kenmore]

Blackstone bought that property as an investment 6 years ago, lol wtf

glad the smart people are in charge

[bnk]

Another University of Chicago student murdered by the usual suspects...
Not a good image for the University. If something is not done and no one is caught or caught and released by Foxx than UC is going to take a hit.... Potential students can google news too.

Why will the police not describe what the shooter looked like??? Or even the Car?! I know the answer....






https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shoo...cole/11218774/


University of Chicago grad killed in Hyde Park shooting; activist nearly shot as patrols increase

U of C shooting victim ID'd; security increased around campus

CHICAGO (WLS) -- The University of Chicago is increasing patrols near its Hyde Park campus after two shootings, one of which killed a 24-year-old recent graduate, took place within hours of each other Tuesday.

Chicago police said that shortly before 2 p.m. in the 900-block of East 54th Place, a dark-colored car pulled up alongside a 24-year-old man. A man got out of the car, pulled out a gun and demanded the 24-year-old's property.


It was not clear if the victim moved to give up his things, but the man opened fire, shooting the victim in the chest, police said. Then the shooter got back in the car and fled west on 54th Place.

The victim was taken to University of Chicago hospital, where he died.

...




Friends of the victim are fed up with the violence that took their friend's life.

"He was the one who told us about the Citizen app, and how it tells you about the shootings around here, so it's ironic and said," said another friend, who did not want to be named.


Police have not released any further description of the shooter or the car he was in. No one is currently in custody.


...

[the urban politician]

^ ^ No worries, we got Kim Foxx on the case, she'll get justice. Anyhow, damn, when you Google streetview the location of that shooting, it's like......wow that's about as safe an area that you could possibly expect, especially at 2 pm.

I'm sure that the grad student who got shot and died that day never could have, in his wildest dreams, woke up that morning and imagined that it would be his last day on earth.

Just sad beyond belief

[SIGSEGV]

Much better article with more information: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...cdq-story.html

It's very sad, and fortunately doesn't happen too often, not that that's very helpful for the victim. Unfortunately armed robberies can happen anywhere and at any time, are difficult to prevent as long as guns and (presumably stolen) vehicles are prevalent, and some fraction end up as homicides.

What I don't really understand is that they can't really be very profitable most of the time. Nobody carries cash anymore, credit cards will get canceled quickly, and phones are all locked and don't have much resale value (and more over, will track where the perp is). I guess you might have your laptop in your backpack, but what can the resale value of that be once it's fenced and such?

[skysoar]

Hyde Park is a very successful, diverse , and attractive neighborhood that my daughter moved into last year, and where my wife owns a condo. Sadly what i have noticed after observing a robbery in that neighborhood is that lately there is too much loitering and suspicious trafficking throughout some of the business thoroughfares and off- streets. What i would advise Lightfoot and the Alderman to do is increase the Police presence in the business area, establish a no loitering zone, and i know implementing a light stop and frisk policy is highly controversial, but it may be effective for the immediate time. These steps may seem draconian for some people of color like myself but we cannot afford to let Hyde Park regress as it represents a good success story in Chicago.

[SIGSEGV]

Originally Posted by skysoar

Hyde Park is a very successful, diverse , and attractive neighborhood that my daughter moved into last year, and where my wife owns a condo. Sadly what i have noticed after observing a robbery in that neighborhood is that lately there is too much loitering and suspicious trafficking throughout some of the business thoroughfares and off- streets. What i would advise Lightfoot and the Alderman to do is increase the Police presence in the business area, establish a no loitering zone, and i know implementing a light stop and frisk policy is highly controversial, but it may be effective for the immediate time. These steps may seem draconian for some people of color like myself but we cannot afford to let Hyde Park regress as it represents a good success story in Chicago.

Thinking about recent high-profile incidents, they've involved likely-stolen vehicles. I know privacy advocates would hate this and it wouldn't be cheap, but installing license plate scanners at most stoplights in the city would be pretty effective in making it much harder to use stolen vehicles in crime and to get away from drive-by shootings with witnesses. My understanding is that the University is proposing something like that in Hyde Park (will find out more in half an hour...) . Yeah, it can in principle be used for big brotheresque tracking, but most of us carry surveillance devices in our pockets anyway (and anyway, I don't have a car, so I only get tracked my my cell phone and my ventra app).

[OrdoSeclorum]

Originally Posted by SIGSEGV

Thinking about recent high-profile incidents, they've involved likely-stolen vehicles. I know privacy advocates would hate this and it wouldn't be cheap, but installing license plate scanners at most stoplights in the city would be pretty effective in making it much harder to use stolen vehicles in crime and to get away from drive-by shootings with witnesses. My understanding is that the University is proposing something like that in Hyde Park (will find out more in half an hour...) . Yeah, it can in principle be used for big brotheresque tracking, but most of us carry surveillance devices in our pockets anyway (and anyway, I don't have a car, so I only get tracked my my cell phone and my ventra app).

This is a no brainer. Tons more speed cameras, red-light cameras, facial identification cameras and license plate scanners would make Chicago--most cities--much more livable and safe. It's dumb that anything a policeman can do, were he present, would be problematic if a cop was looking at a camera instead.

[the urban politician]

^ The City seems to be more interested in extracting money from taxpayers via red light cameras, which make $$, than facial recognition cameras which might put people in jail that Kim Foxx is trying with her heart & soul to bring to justice but, sigh.....if only there were some evidence!

[glowrock]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

^ The City seems to be more interested in extracting money from taxpayers via red light cameras, which make $$, than facial recognition cameras which might put people in jail that Kim Foxx is trying with her heart & soul to bring to justice but, sigh.....if only there were some evidence!

Facial recognition cameras, while obviously a great source of information that can bring people identified as criminals to justice, is also a major source of consternation for me from a privacy perspective. It's too damned big brother for me, quite honestly.

Perhaps it can be used in very specific areas/circumstances, but widespread use seems to be a severe violation of the right to privacy.

Aaron (Glowrock)

[OrdoSeclorum]

Originally Posted by glowrock

Facial recognition cameras, while obviously a great source of information that can bring people identified as criminals to justice, is also a major source of consternation for me from a privacy perspective. It's too damned big brother for me, quite honestly.

Perhaps it can be used in very specific areas/circumstances, but widespread use seems to be a severe violation of the right to privacy.

Aaron (Glowrock)

You know what else was regarded as a huge violation of privacy? License plates. "You mean the police can just track my car?!" Same story with social security numbers. "What if I just want to leave my family and get a new job with a new name in California. Now I can't do that!"

There's no reason to conflate cameras that track Glowrock wherever he goes all day all time with ones that simply act as eyes on the street that can be investigated retroactively in the event that a crime has occurred. Imagine that Chicago has an officer walking around the same block all day who knew most of the people in the neighborhood. If the officer saw one of those people break a car window and then called in his name to the station, that extremely effective policing method would be a state invasion of privacy in the same way that having a camera there would be.

The best system would involve something like a warrant. If there was a high-res camera floating on a blimp 90,000 feet above the city, it would be an invasion of my privacy to create a report of where my car traveled all day everyday. It would not be an invasion of privacy to get a warrant to check the video to see where the car involved in a hit and run drove to and parked.

[SIGSEGV]

Originally Posted by glowrock

Facial recognition cameras, while obviously a great source of information that can bring people identified as criminals to justice, is also a major source of consternation for me from a privacy perspective. It's too damned big brother for me, quite honestly.

Perhaps it can be used in very specific areas/circumstances, but widespread use seems to be a severe violation of the right to privacy.

Aaron (Glowrock)

I see where your coming from (I was born in a country with https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securitate ), but given that we happily carry surveillance devices in our pockets, i kind of feel like that battle is already lost for the most part. If the government wanted to track you, they already have the means and extra surveillance probably adds little.