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Some photos from the Corydon area:

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911 - 915 McMillan Ave is still a vacant lot.

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880 Grosvenor Ave is still a vacant lot.

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Right yes same story I was thinking of. The city approved the waiver of the $20,000ish development fees in late Sept 2022 and insurance was supposed to cover the rebuilding of the structure. I wonder what happened for them to abandon rebuilding? Costs likely?
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It's really too bad, between the Zu project, and both of Paragon's new buildings there, a lot of people could benefit from a convenience store there.
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It's really too bad, between the Zu project, and both of Paragon's new buildings there, a lot of people could benefit from a convenience store there.
Do the Paragon buildings have any ground level CRUs?

I think the PPP ones do... maybe we'll see a c-store as a tenant?
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Do the Paragon buildings have any ground level CRUs?
Not as far as I can tell.
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The metal siding on the Zu bldg facing Osborne and Stradbrook looks like absolute ass and even the brick doesn’t make it look better. Looks so cheap and shitty.
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The metal siding on the Zu bldg facing Osborne and Stradbrook looks like absolute ass and even the brick doesn’t make it look better. Looks so cheap and shitty.




It looks like they also replaced the Tyndall looking light grey stone with dark grey, roughly the same colour as the brick.
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The metal siding on the Zu bldg facing Osborne and Stradbrook looks like absolute ass and even the brick doesn’t make it look better. Looks so cheap and shitty.
Hopefully once the fire station is relocated a new development will hide that exterior wall.
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Hopefully once the fire station is relocated a new development will hide that exterior wall.
What's the status on this? Is it still a pipedream or might it actually happen in the nearish future?

I worry more about the people who have to sleep in the apartments next to that fire station than I do about the lackluster cladding.
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The metal siding on the Zu bldg facing Osborne and Stradbrook looks like absolute ass and even the brick doesn’t make it look better. Looks so cheap and shitty.
I was going to mention this a couple weeks ago but I do my fair share of complaining about architecture in the city so I held my tongue lol. But ya it looks exactly like the side of a cheap shed or warehouse. The unfortunate part IMO is that it also wraps around the top of the Osborne fronting side and looks ridiculous right above the gorgeous brick. It almost looks like a cheap addition was added on to a brick building. I almost think stucco would've looked better in this case.


Also just watch the firehall land eventually get developed into a park or "plaza" and we get to stare at the Zu wall until we die
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The metal siding on the Zu bldg facing Osborne and Stradbrook looks like absolute ass and even the brick doesn’t make it look better. Looks so cheap and shitty.
When the metal siding was going up, I was thinking "that can't be the final siding can it?"
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Yeah it’s just so prominent
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Yeah I mean I’m happy for the building being built but I can’t believe the city just allows such low standards on such a high profile street like this. It’s a fucking crime. It truly doesn’t help the stereotype that Winnipeg is a substandard city. Driving up to it from the north it just…hurts. Then you go around the corner and see 197 and it’s like night and day, the difference in overall aesthetic quality. Dramatic, the difference.
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Yeah I mean I’m happy for the building being built but I can’t believe the city just allows such low standards on such a high profile street like this. It’s a fucking crime. It truly doesn’t help the stereotype that Winnipeg is a substandard city. Driving up to it from the north it just…hurts. Then you go around the corner and see 197 and it’s like night and day, the difference in overall aesthetic quality. Dramatic, the difference.
I don't get what people want the City to do with respect to implementing higher design standards. If standards are too high, you'll choke the market with "excess red tape" and inflate costs for developers, pushing them away from the very areas you want development to occur. You're not going to regulate yourself out of ugly design. Design is going to be a function of what the market can bear (rental rates for the area, interest rates, etc.), not government regulation.

The average rent in the Osborne Village area is $1,256 for a 2 bedroom, while it is $1,345 near the UofM, and it is $1,761 in the Bridgwater neighborhoods. Meanwhile, average rents for a 2-bedroom are $2,574 in central Toronto and $3,109 in downtown Vancouver. All these different neighborhoods have different upper limits on rent that can be charged by new construction, and therefore will ultimately influence the design selected by builders for fit their financial goals. If every developer expects to pull a 5% to 10% return on their investment regardless of the City they develop in, then obviously lower market rental rates is going to equal lower development costs which means lower design standards and cheaper materials. Plus, tenants are going to care more about inside furnishings than what the building looks like on the outside, so naturally nice design is going to be the first thing to go for developers who need to make the numbers make sense.

You can't regulate yourself out of this. The best you can hope for is for rents to rise naturally in neighborhoods over time as a result of increased desirability and increased scarcity of easily developable land. You have to start from the bottom up, and so as long as any development is occurring in central neighborhoods, I'm happy, even if design is subpar. Because eventually, increased population leads to increased activity and safety, which may lead to increased desirability, development, rents, and increasing design standards.

City aesthetic regulations beyond the bare minimum will just push potential developers away to areas where they can seek higher rents unimpeded by burdensome regulation, further exasperating housing affordability.
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Old Posted Mar 26, 2024, 2:33 PM
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I feel like something to simply add some kind of detail to the sheet siding to at least make it look anything better than what it is would not be cripplingly expensive. Or some kind of municipal tax benefit to cut the cost to do so in high profile areas like this. Seriously. There has to be a solution other than just simply utterly yielding to developers.
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