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The ATX · #1 Posted **Jul 20, 2013, 2:55 PM**

Speaking of building up, I wonder how feasible it would be to increase the size of the convention center by going up. Has any city ever done this? It seems most convention centers are built around the idea of having as much ground floor space as possible.

KevinFromTexas · #2 Posted **Jul 21, 2013, 9:05 AM**

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You're kidding, right? The land where the Fairmont is to be built would have been chump change in sqft. The hotel is a much better use by every metric. If Austin wants to expand, they can build up pretty easily.

Yeah, even if they were to close Red River to connect a new section of convention center on that block, they could only muster another 97,625 out of it with one level. And that's gross square feet. That block is 275 by 275 feet. Red River is 80 feet wide. So you would have an area of 275 by 355 feet to build on.

hookem · #3 Posted **Jul 21, 2013, 6:59 PM**

Does the convention center parking garage have exhibit space on the ground floor? Because if not, that seems like the most convenient expansion method. Even if they need to tear down and rebuild the garage, build it with 1 or 2 floors of exhibit space with the parking levels above it. Then maybe connect with a skybridge to the main building. It would be a lot cheaper than going underground.

Austin1971 · #4 Posted **Jul 20, 2013, 5:36 PM**

Don't forget the JW, Fairmont and Hilton have a combined 300k feet of exhibit space.......And all are close to the convention center.

Austin_Expert · #5 Posted **Jul 20, 2013, 7:40 PM**

I'm sure it would be possible to expand the footprint of the convention center to the west on the three blocks bounded by Cesar Chavez, Fourth, San Jacinto, and Trinity. That would almost double the size of the convention center.

The ATX · #6 Posted **Jul 20, 2013, 7:54 PM**

The city better do that quick then. That will already be some expensive realestate even when taken by eminent domain. I'm surprised those blocks haven't been developed into high rises already.

The ATX · #7 Posted **Jul 20, 2013, 8:18 PM**

Here's a link to the largest convention centers in the U.S. Austin's is number 25, which isn't too bad. Chicago, Orlando and Las Vegas are the top three and have huge convention centers. Las Vegas in fact, has three convention centers larger than Austin's. But Austin benefits from having its convention center surrounded by maybe ~200 bars and restaurants within several blocks.

http://comicsbeat.com/which-us-conve...er-is-biggest/

lzppjb · #8 Posted **Jul 21, 2013, 1:35 AM**

The C.H. Johnson Consulting site says they created a masterplan that had the convention center with 450,000 sq ft of exhibition space in the future. I know that's old, but it hints that there may be plans to expand at some point.

http://www.chjc.com/austin.html

Jdawgboy · #9 Posted **Jul 21, 2013, 2:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by Austin_Expert

I'm sure it would be possible to expand the footprint of the convention center to the west on the three blocks bounded by Cesar Chavez, Fourth, San Jacinto, and Trinity. That would almost double the size of the convention center.

From that pic you can clearly see that the convention center was designed to go over to the 3 blocks across the street. Question is does the City of Austin already own those blocks?

zedaref · #10 Posted **Jul 21, 2013, 4:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by Jdawgboy

From that pic you can clearly see that the convention center was designed to go over to the 3 blocks across the street. Question is does the City of Austin already own those blocks?

Nope. I totaled up the appraised values of the properties, and excluding the Railyard Condos and the Christian Science properties (values weren't listed), it came to over $35.5m.

pscajunguy · #11 Posted **Jul 21, 2013, 4:50 AM**

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From that pic you can clearly see that the convention center was designed to go over to the 3 blocks across the street. Question is does the City of Austin already own those blocks?

Moscone Center in San Francisco just approved a 500,000 s/f expansion underground at a cost of $500 Million to be designed by Skidmore, Owings and Merrill, LLP, to be funded by an additional 1% hotel tax for 32 years. SF has only the 15th largest Convention Center in the country and is losing out on big Conventions. They are starting to schedule new Conventions for years in advance and also have a 25 year plan for further expansion.
I can easily see how Austin could use those 3 blocks across the street AND expand underground the street into the new 3 blocks for years to come. Sure, downtown Austin is being built up dramatically, but look at San Francisco! It can certainly be done in Austin.

GoldenBoot · #12 Posted **Jul 24, 2013, 9:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by Austin1971

Don't forget the JW, Fairmont and Hilton have a combined 300k feet of exhibit space.......And all are close to the convention center.

And don't forget the Convention Center owns and operates Palmer Events Center on Barton Springs (70,000/131,000 SF).

Urbannizer · #13 Posted **Jul 26, 2013, 10:14 PM**

A mixed-use tower is planned for Austin

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Originally Posted by Bisnow

Kurt (whose office is designing 7M SF totaling $1B across property types) proved his prowess as a prognosticator. During last year's event, he predicted mixed-use would grow. (Now we call him every day for the weather and the trifecta winners at the horse track.) He was right, but there's been a shift within that sector from horizontal to vertical mixed-use. The facilities are high-rises with product types stacked on top of each other—Ziegler Cooper is designing two of these, one in Houston and one in Austin. The Houston facility will include multifamily, hotel, retail, and office components.

http://www.bisnow.com/commercial-rea...why-build-now/

and a comment on HAIF:

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Originally Posted by Lockmat

Well let me just rain on the parade already.

My journalistic source said the one in Austin is not that tall and the office component in Houston may be a separate project. Very strange.

http://www.houstonarchitecture.com/h...e/#entry429263

zedaref · #14 Posted **Jul 26, 2013, 11:34 PM**

Trinity Place? Seems like a pretty good place for some condos/apartments stacked on top of a hotel.

LoneStarMike · #15 Posted **Jul 27, 2013, 12:51 AM**

^^^I was going to guess Waterloo Park Tower

but it looks like their application expired on July 12.

JoninATX · #16 Posted **Jul 22, 2013, 7:52 PM**

Rendering of the new Sky Rio.

This is located in the West Campus District, off MLK JR Blvd.

KevinFromTexas · #17 Posted **Jul 27, 2013, 5:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by austin242

Hey did anyone see the 58 story tower advertisement at the bottom of the page? Is that a joke. It's supposed to be in midland. That better be a joke. If you're going to build a tower like that why would you build it in midland?

Here's the thread for it.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=204483

pscajunguy · #18 Posted **Jul 27, 2013, 7:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas

Here's the thread for it.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=204483

Be careful with the cookie for that project. It will follow you around like a perpetual case of the mumps!

lzppjb · #19 Posted **Jul 30, 2013, 10:50 PM**

We might be seeing something announced for 5th & Brazos somewhat soon. Possibly a 50-story hotel/apartment combo.

Kotliz · #20 Posted **Jul 31, 2013, 12:29 AM**

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We might be seeing something announced for 5th & Brazos somewhat soon. Possibly a 50-story hotel/apartment combo.

Are you talking about the lot to the north-east of the Frost Bank tower? What have you heard?